Gunbreaker FF13 Glamour?

While on reddit I saw that someone posted asking if the FF13 Blazefire Saber could get updated to work for Gunbreaker.
The poor poster is being beaten into a pulp by the toxic Reddit community for making the mistake of asking a harmless question.

But, I agree with the poster. It IS a Gunblade, so Gunbreaker should be able to use it. It harms no one & it can be argued that it makes more sense for Gunbreaker to use it over Paladin.

Since that poster didn't think to ask on the forums I'll ask for him/her.
I'm not holding my breath on SE doing so but...it's worth asking cause the OP did say one thing that honestly hit me hard.
"If no asks the chances of it being updates remain a flat 0%."

That said:
"Can Gunbreaker be given access to FF13's Blazefire Saber glamour?"

While we're at it.
Can the BLM & WHM FF13 Glamour be updated to 2-Handed Weapons while we're it. You know...so they'll actually be usable?

I dont think they are bashing him or trolling him at all merely explaining why it is not likely to be. Two things about the blazefire saber in relation to the gunbreaker job.

The blazefire saber while called a gunblade is not the same as the original version of final fantasy’s gunblade which is the version the gunbreaker uses.

At moments lightning’s weapon switches to gun mode to further her attacks which would be more in line with Garlean version of gunblades.

Whereas gunbreaker uses the style that pulling the “trigger” doesnt fire anything it just causes the blade to vibrate violently and worsen the slashing damage entirely.

Two there little to no precedent to get add ons like this to seasonal events i dont so much care if it becomes a glamour or not. Glamour is glamour so that is what it is but i highly doubt they will ever go back and add it to gunbreaker because it is not the same kind of gunblade and they want to stress the fact that this is squall’s version of a gunblade which is what has been asked for by the community for forever.

This is always going to be an issue with longstanding jobs. Even if you look back to ARR, most sword type weapons were converted to GLA/PLD swords irrespective of what they looked like simply because there were no other sword users at the time. Odin's Zantetsuken and (Haukke) Halicarnassus' Blood Sword are examples of this. On the plus side, at least they went back and gave SAM access to the former - I wish they'd port Blood Sword over to DRK. It's a lot less likely with limited time event weapons, though.

I do hope that Gunbreaker has access to some longer swords, preferably something that's closer to hand-and-a-half length as opposed to what Paladins typically get.

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Originally Posted by Lyth

This is always going to be an issue with longstanding jobs. Even if you look back to ARR, most sword type weapons were converted to GLA/PLD swords irrespective of what they looked like simply because there were no other sword users at the time. Odin's Zantetsuken and (Haukke) Halicarnassus' Blood Sword are examples of this. On the plus side, at least they went back and gave SAM access to the former - I wish they'd port Blood Sword over to DRK. It's a lot less likely with limited time event weapons, though.

I do hope that Gunbreaker has access to some longer swords, preferably something that's closer to hand-and-a-half length as opposed to what Paladins typically get.

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I think the Lord of Crags, Nidhogg, and Sephirot will have you covered there.

They will not do that because ff13 gunblade isnt the same gunblades we are getting. We are getting ff8 styled gunblades

The "this is not the same type of gunblade" argument is kind of silly. Look at the Paladin weapons. They have swords yes, but they are also given many other types of weapons that are not swords. There is no reason they couldn't make a larger version of the XIII Gunblade for Gunbreaker, they've done it for DRK versions of PLD weapons before, so that point is mute. However, I highly doubt they WILL do it seeing as they have not adjusted the current BLM and WHM weapons to be two handed weapons so they can be useable as glam. They are event weapons and being such I doubt they will do anything to change them unless they bring the XIII event back.

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Originally Posted by Haxaan

The "this is not the same type of gunblade" argument is kind of silly. Look at the Paladin weapons. They have swords yes, but they are also given many other types of weapons that are not swords. There is no reason they couldn't make a larger version of the XIII Gunblade for Gunbreaker, they've done it for DRK versions of PLD weapons before, so that point is mute.

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Except...

The fact that they don't function in the same way at all?

It's like saying Machinists guns and Dark Knights weapons are the same because they're pieces of metal with a handle.

Gunbreaker (VIII) weapons are swords with a revolver handle, that uses cartridges not to fire a projectile, but to send a shock down the blade upon impact to increase the effectiveness of the strike.

Lightning (XIII) weapons are swords, that fold into guns to shoot bullets at people.

This isn't a case of "Just make it bigger", it's literally completely different designed weapons.

Paladin and Dragoon can get away with different types of weapons, because they still function the same way. Paladin bops people with a Sword/Axe/Mace, Dragoon stabs people with a Spear/Lance/Halberd/Partisan/Spontoon.

Theoretically they could give Gunbreaker a Blazefire Saber and just hand wave over the fact that there's no way it would function how GNB uses it... But it's unlikely that they would do so (Even ignoring the fact that they don't seem to want to go back to re-do event weapons for new jobs)

I don't think it fits gunbreaker at all. Blazefire/blaze-edge saber functions as gun-blade it has 2 modes, so it's either a blade at one point or a gun never both. A gunbreaker's gunblade which took from FF8 is a blade with a part of the gun to pull to make it vibrate and hit harder, gunblade. Also, ff8 gunblades does not transform so what you see is what you get.

But if they do give us i won't say no to more glamours.

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Originally Posted by Kalise

Except...

The fact that they don't function in the same way at all?

It's like saying Machinists guns and Dark Knights weapons are the same because they're pieces of metal with a handle.

Gunbreaker (VIII) weapons are swords with a revolver handle, that uses cartridges not to fire a projectile, but to send a shock down the blade upon impact to increase the effectiveness of the strike.

Lightning (XIII) weapons are swords, that fold into guns to shoot bullets at people.

This isn't a case of "Just make it bigger", it's literally completely different designed weapons.

Paladin and Dragoon can get away with different types of weapons, because they still function the same way. Paladin bops people with a Sword/Axe/Mace, Dragoon stabs people with a Spear/Lance/Halberd/Partisan/Spontoon.

Theoretically they could give Gunbreaker a Blazefire Saber and just hand wave over the fact that there's no way it would function how GNB uses it... But it's unlikely that they would do so (Even ignoring the fact that they don't seem to want to go back to re-do event weapons for new jobs)

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So wait... let me get this straight... Gunbreaker can't use it because it's not the same type of Gunblade... but Paladin can use it even though a Sword is not a Gunblade? This makes no sense. The Paladin version literally folds up when sheathed and is a SWORD when it's not.. please explain how this is any different from what it would do as a Gunbreaker glam weapon.

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Originally Posted by Haxaan

So wait... let me get this straight... Gunbreaker can't use it because it's not the same type of Gunblade... but Paladin can use it even though a Sword is not a Gunblade? This makes no sense. The Paladin version literally folds up when sheathed and is a SWORD when it's not.. please explain how this is any different from what it would do as a Gunbreaker glam weapon.

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To put it very simply:

The blazefire sabre is a Sword that TRANSFORMS into a Gun so in sword mode it has not got a firing mechanism hence just another sword hence PLD.

The Gunbreaker Weapons are Swords that ARE Guns so you do both at the same time (well not even technically that because it doesn't shoot it explodes but semantics)

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Originally Posted by ReiMakoto

To put it very simply:

The blazefire sabre is a Sword that TRANSFORMS into a Gun so in sword mode it has not got a firing mechanism hence just another sword hence PLD.

The Gunbreaker Weapons are Swords that ARE Guns so you do both at the same time (well not even technically that because it doesn't shoot it explodes but semantics)

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I'm still failing to see how it doesn't make sense for it to be used as a glam, but I'm going to let this go because we're all just going round and round for no reason lol.

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Originally Posted by Haxaan

I'm still failing to see how it doesn't make sense for it to be used as a glam, but I'm going to let this go because we're all just going round and round for no reason lol.

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It's pretty simple. The Blazefire Sabre is an incompatible weapon to be used with Gunbreakers because it is not a Gunblade. It is a Gun and a Blade.

It's like asking for GNB to be able glamour whips. How would they use their skills with a whip? How do they shoot cartridges to vibrate their blade?

It works for PLD because it is used in its Sword form as a.... you guessed it.... sword.

I mean if "it's glamour, you only see a whip but its a gunblade underneath" why stop at the blazefire sabre? Why can't my Warrior glamour a abacus but still Fell Cleave you? I'm fine with this restriction for the sake of immersion.

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Originally Posted by FallenWings

It's pretty simple. The Blazefire Sabre is an incompatible weapon to be used with Gunbreakers because it is not a Gunblade. It is a Gun and a Blade.

It works for PLD because it is used in its Sword form as a.... you guessed it.... sword.

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Does blazefire fold into the gun to be compatible with MCH?

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Originally Posted by Fluffernuff

Does blazefire fold into the gun to be compatible with MCH?

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Sure man, go ahead and ask for it. Seems reasonable enough.

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Originally Posted by FallenWings

Sure man, go ahead and ask for it. Seems reasonable enough.

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I was more asking if it did that. i dont like the look of blazefire and dont play mch. It seemed the topic was going in a "it doesnt work because its not that". though i admit to skimming this since its all so circular.

If it doesnt work that way, it might be safe to assume that isnt how SE see these kind of decisions...

that being said, since i showed my face, ill chime in on this particular echange. I do think its just as reasonable to see blazefire as a "gunblade" as much as it is to turn into a completely different model for an unrelated job. seems like splitting hairs at that point to me. I think the main reason we wouldnt see a GNB use one is because the blazefire is part of a specific set of weapons that are particular event items that are 1/job. SE isnt the type to retroactively change items like that. or add any.

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Originally Posted by FallenWings

It's like asking for GNB to be able glamour whips. How would they use their skills with a whip? How do they shoot cartridges to vibrate their blade?

It works for PLD because it is used in its Sword form as a.... you guessed it.... sword.

I mean if "it's glamour, you only see a whip but its a gunblade underneath" why stop at the blazefire sabre? Why can't my Warrior glamour a abacus but still Fell Cleave you? I'm fine with this restriction for the sake of immersion.

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This makes absolutely 0 sense. Ok I admit the functionality is slightly different but when it comes down to it a Gunblade is a Gunblade.

Your reference to using a whip is just silly and not even remotely in the realm of a gun or a blade. May as well glamour a giant Tuna Fish for all that matter.

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Originally Posted by Haxaan

Ok I admit the functionality is slightly different but when it comes down to it a Gunblade is a Gunblade.

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Except it's not.

Like, even Yoshida says this when referencing why Gunbreaker is using the gunblades they're getting instead of the Garlean "Gunblades" (Which he wishes were never put into the game)

Not all "Gunblades" are VIII style gunblades, which are the type used by Gunbreaker.

VIII Gunblades cannot shoot projectiles. Their trigger is purely for sending a shock down the blade while striking with it as a sword.

XIII "Gunblades" are just a multi-tool that can fold between a Sword or a Gun. They are mutually exclusive. You cannot fire the gun while it's a Sword and you cannot strike with an edge while it's a Gun.

XIV Garlean "Gunblades" are guns attached to swords. Essentially being guns with extra long bayonets. They are designed to shoot projectiles or be swung as a sword. Theoretically you could shoot as you strike with the blade.

As such, neither other version of "Gunblade" is an accurate substitute for Gunbreakers arms. At best the Garlean ones might work because you can just say you're firing blanks or something to get the same effect. But XIII's one is a completely different weapon, even if it is referred to as a "Gunblade"

It is the equivalent to saying that Machinist should be equally capable of getting a Rocket Launcher, Shotgun, Minigun, Assault Rifle, Hand Cannon, SMG, Sniper Rifle, or Rifle. Since they're all "Guns" right? Doesn't matter if Machinist uses a one handed, semi-automatic gun that fires bullets. A gun is a gun. Right?

The biggest reason they won't do this is because then people would expect new XIII weapons for all the other jobs who didn't get them as well (So every job that wasn't in the game at release). And also probably two-handed weapons for CNJ/WHM and THM/BLM.

Personally I wouldn't be opposed to it but I don't see it being even middling on the list of things to get done in this game.

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Originally Posted by Kalise

This isn't a case of "Just make it bigger", it's literally completely different designed weapons.

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To be fair, Hope's boomerang was changed into an expanding electronical book and Sazh's handguns into fist weapons.

And they made multiple versions of Edda's Scythe for lots of different jobs.

The coddled forum majority and casual player base is generally, from my experience, way more toxic than Reddit ever has been. People on Reddit are just more honest because they can be, unlike here where people cry and report someone just for breathing.

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Originally Posted by Haxaan

May as well glamour a giant Tuna Fish for all that matter.

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Someone play Dark Cloud? Lol

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Originally Posted by Kalise

Gunbreaker (VIII) weapons are swords with a revolver handle, that uses cartridges not to fire a projectile, but to send a shock down the blade upon impact to increase the effectiveness of the strike.

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Why can't we get the Parasite Eve 2 Gunblade, one that can shoot bullets as well XD.

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Originally Posted by Haxaan

So wait... let me get this straight... Gunbreaker can't use it because it's not the same type of Gunblade... but Paladin can use it even though a Sword is not a Gunblade? This makes no sense. The Paladin version literally folds up when sheathed and is a SWORD when it's not.. please explain how this is any different from what it would do as a Gunbreaker glam weapon.

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I think its different with PLD because PLD's weapon is much more simple, anything that can be held in one hand can fit for a PLD glamour, but imagine something like AST's weapon. To glam an AST weapon the object will need to be able to fold out and it also needs a card holder. Basically this is the advantage of simple weapons like PLD's sword, anything can be held and used in that manner, however not everything can act as the gunblade.

Maybe there are also some weapon animations for gunblades like the cylinder rotating, that a sword without a cylinder cannot do.

I'm sorry OP, but you would be objectively wrong, just like the person on Reddit.

Lightning's weapon is NOT a gunblade. It is a sword that can transform into a gun. Even the Garlemald weapons are closer to a gunblade than Lightning's weapon.

A Gunblade is a sword that has a gun-like firing mechanism that causes vibrations down the blade in it's most basic use, making it act a bit like a Vibroblade from other SF. But the ammo can also be magicked to grant other bonus damage effects such as fire, lightning, etc.

So while people aren't the nicest in Reddit (and I wish they'd be nicer), there's a reason he's getting torn down.