Dragonfire Dive

Ok. Since this ability has a 15 minute cooldown and rarely used, I would like to see some numbers from other people and on what mob to get a feel of how it really works!

I've only used it on skellies in darkhold but i was hitting them for 1k+ pretty nice if you ask me. I would have tested it more but im far to sleep deprived

Did 1k to this peiste I helped some mnks kill

Along 1500~ DMG in the new instanced raids, on trash mobs. Only worthwhile when you got a really large bunch of mobs around you, best served with ring of talon as dessert =D

Pretty lame for an 15mins CD... But comes in handy with large groups, and remember... Don't forget to elusive jump the hell out of there afterwards XD

Agree. They need to up the dmg or lower the CD on Dragonfire Dive. It seems really underpowered for a spell that's on that long of a CD.

15 minute cool downs are fine.

1) Last time I checked the cap is still 50...

2) Most other FFs are lvl 90~99 capped...

3) other mmo (FFXI) didnt have cap increase until its expansions started...

4) lvl ~90~99 EXP mobs exist in ffxiv for a reason...

Do the math, ffxiv hasnt even hit its first cap increase yet and ppl
are bitching about BLM not having Meteor and DRG not having better dmg for its 15 minute ability.

You're lucky SE made these abilities 15 minute CDs and not 2 Hours like in ffxi.

tl;tltr: too early for cap increase dev wise; abilities are relative to future planned content; stop menstruating;

can you use keen flurry on it?

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

can you use keen flurry on it?

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actually thats a good point i didnt check that

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

can you use keen flurry on it?

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Unfortunately, no. Already tried. Brought to mind the idea that possibly, job skills are not classified as WS skills.

Don't worry guys, blm mnk and other jobs feel like their 15 min ability is underpowered as well. I for one think its decent

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Originally Posted by Krono

Unfortunately, no. Already tried. Brought to mind the idea that possibly, job skills are not classified as WS skills.

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correct aside from Ring of Talons and Disembowel none of our other abilities are Weapon Skills, what i would like to know though is if Blind Side effects it and if Blindside and Blood for Blood work on all targets hit

Well, I did try to use Dragonfire Dive paired with Blindside but...I overshot the jump and missed my mark on the way down!

In a serious note, I just tested this...again, Blindside does not appear to be consumed by Dragonfire Dive, even when executed from behind an immobile target.

D=

Any job ability that does not cost TP (DF and Jump) are not affected by Blindside, Blood for Blood, Keen Flurry, Hawk Eye (or whatever that ARC accuarcy ability is called) because the lack of TP (I assume) does not qualify it as a weapon skill.

Case in point, you can Vorpal Thrust -> Impulse Drive -> Jump/Dragonfire -> Chaos Thrust without interrupting the combo.

I tried it for the first time last night on the Ogre in the last paladin fight I did about 340 damage to him

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Originally Posted by Eight

I tried it for the first time last night on the Ogre in the last paladin fight I did about 340 damage to him

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Deepvoid Slave is fire-based.
Dragonfire Dive is a fire-based ability.

Not the best choice of foes to test it against. xD

I saw some crazy numbers against alux with dragonfire dive,6k but i assume it was a critical hit.
I tried to compare dragonfire dive and doomspike critacals against alux.
And i was stunned,doomspike +blindside and blood for blood do 4k critical on alux unlike dragonfire dive.

Well i don't know if alux is weak against fire,this should explain the crazy numbers.

He's also lvl 35.

In FF Tactics, DRGs can use Fire, Thunder and Ice based breath. I find Dragonfire Dive, the replacement of that breath attack, do you think Dragonthunder and Dragonblizzard Dive will come after this?

I could use some dragon lightning myself

Pretty nice idea Tyro.
I was hoping the attack would have actually been a Fire breath based attack when I first read it's vague description but what we have now is still pretty nice. Other elements would top it off nicely.

On another note, does anyone know if it's boosted more by STR or by PIE more?

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Originally Posted by Narctiss

Pretty nice idea Tyro.
I was hoping the attack would have actually been a Fire breath based attack when I first read it's vague description but what we have now is still pretty nice. Other elements would top it off nicely.

On another note, does anyone know if it's boosted more by STR or by PIE more?

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Testing that will be pretty hard, but i'd say PIE has a lot of influence on it since the ability can be "resisted".

I also though it would be Fire Breath lol

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Originally Posted by Tyro

Testing that will be pretty hard, but i'd say PIE has a lot of influence on it since the ability can be "resisted".

I also though it would be Fire Breath lol

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did they change something? Last I checked MND effected magic accuracy not PIE and INT would effect the fire damage. This being on a 15 minute CD though would not make me want to boost either of those stats just for this ability

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Originally Posted by Krausus

did they change something? Last I checked MND effected magic accuracy not PIE and INT would effect the fire damage. This being on a 15 minute CD though would not make me want to boost either of those stats just for this ability

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I'm not suggesting boosting either, I'm just curious about which one is it's boost stat. I like finding out these things. =P

Although I see how you mean with INT/MND and not STR/PIE as I asked. Thanks Kraus.

I'm really curious why more people don't complain about this ability? 15 min. to do a somewhat weak fire aoe that can be resisted. Come on people we need to get the devs to take notice that the 15 min. spells need to be looked at!

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Originally Posted by Clair

Dread Spike is complete garbage and should be removed for something mildly useful. Anyone try using that on 100-ton swing from Coincounter yet? I haven't seen a DRG in that fight yet (gee I wonder why!).

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Last night my first time fighting that Cyclops and we did it just fine with a MNK and a DRG dancing around it, with the first to accidentally die being a WHM or a BRD. Though the 2nd round he drop hate like 10+ times and randomly whacking people.

On 2 minutes timer, the Dread Spike is hardly any use to mitigate damage in battle with frequent heavy damage. Especially more that it consumes currently active surge, which usually translate to 1500tp and 1.5 minutes without 100+ attack power.

On the side note, Dragoon has long combos now:
Vorpal Thrust > Impulse Drive > Chaos Thrust (with miss) > Full Thrust > Feint (Have to be quick) > Disembowel

Considering Full Thrust gives TP, and Feint only takes 250TP, it's actually beneficial to miss one hit of Chaos Thrust - considering to start another combo Impulse Drive is on 30 seconds timer.

Since the combo takes a while, usually needs to refresh Power Surge prior to, it would help if Power Surge last a bit longer . _ ., or even lowering the timer to 15 secs like Life Surge so it can be refreshed with more flexibility.

I have done Coincounter only twice, came out #1 on damage for both, thought not by much - about 1~2k damage lead (failed both fight when it's at 30% hp)

oh wow, didn't think about missing a chaos thrust O_o haha Nice tip

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Originally Posted by Radav

I'm really curious why more people don't complain about this ability? 15 min. to do a somewhat weak fire aoe that can be resisted. Come on people we need to get the devs to take notice that the 15 min. spells need to be looked at!

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It really depends on the mobs you are fighting, things like the Ogre that are strong to fire you wont notice much, but it really devastates the skellies in the batrall fight.

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Originally Posted by Clair

All the 15 minute abilities are sucky and need adjustments/overhauls. Some are worse than others, like BLM, which is just mindblowingly awful.

What gets me is that it can resist. Why does a 15 minute ability need to have resists? I understand enemies that will lower the damage it does because they're strong to the fire element, that's fine, because what is supposed to balance that out is there will be enemies weak to fire attacks also. What Dragoon in their right mind will ever gear themselves for a 15 minute ability so it will resist less? None that are sane. So there's no balancing act going on here, it's just a flat out negative aspect to a 15 minute ability that didn't need to exist. Thanks SE!
Also it goes without saying the damage is terrible for such a long recast.

I'm more concerned about them changing Power and Life Surge. Lancer has become such a pain in the ass to play with how short these abilities last.

Dread Spike is complete garbage and should be removed for something mildly useful. Anyone try using that on 100-ton swing from Coincounter yet? I haven't seen a DRG in that fight yet (gee I wonder why!).
One shot moves are terrible game mechanics regardless, but when that's the only possible use one could find for Dread Spike and it didn't work on Ifrit or Moogle's big attacks, I don't have any faith it would work on Coincounter's either.
How busted is this ability where it has to have multiple exceptions that render it not functional? That somehow the difficulty of these fights would be ruined if Dread Spike were to work on them?

Here's a thought SE, you want Lancers to be able to get HP back in an instant? Create a move that drains HP, MP and TP from a monster.

I call it Lancet.

Or take the lazy way out and make it reduce damage by 10/20/30% for the next attack per Surge when Dread Spike is used. Now it isn't completely useless!

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I did just fine on coincutter in fact dragoon makes a very good job to kill any slugs that get near the boss or mages. As for 100 ton hammer you are not supposed to try and absorb the damage, you are supposed to get out of range of the ability.

As for Dread spike I agree it is the suck, so much that I just never use it, I would prefer something like bloodbath.

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Originally Posted by Clair

My group has done it with a WAR tanking in one spot and the rest ranged classes (i.e. BLM and BRD). So I don't know how useful having a close range melee to take care of slugs is when the way we're doing it means we aggro very few or even zero slugs.

This is the only thing that I meant by saying I haven't seen a DRG in that fight yet, because this fight seems purposely designed to benefit ranged classes as much as possible. You don't need to worry about being damaged with 100-ton swing or eye of the beholder and you don't aggro slugs either, it's a win win.

I would rather the slugs didn't act this way. I would rather they aggro'd whoever was close regardless of whether they're moving or not so that having close ranged melees to taunt/voke them off and use AOE skills to mow them down were more desired and maybe even mandatory to win. But with the way this fight is designed I don't see much of a point bringing a DRG or MNK. Obviously they can work and work well enough, but it's just extra hassle and provides no benefit over the setup I've been doing.

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yeah I know what you mean, us personally though are trying to avoid class stacking as much as possible.