Jenova as in FF7

I really keep thinking about this and wouldn't it be cool to kinda have a story in FFXIV about jenova from final fantasy 7.

Like was she the only one? I would think she had a father and mother were there others like jenova like a back story or something like were they destroyed.

I would love to see something made explaining something like that here in FFXIV like something unburied or found that uncovers a story of what happen.

I am so getting ff7 remake I am glad I waited for the true remake.

Jenova is Final Fantasy's version of The Thing. It's an alien parasite.

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Originally Posted by Zeonx

I really keep thinking about this and wouldn't it be cool to kinda have a story in FFXIV about jenova from final fantasy 7.

Like was she the only one? I would think she had a father and mother were there others like jenova like a back story or something like were they destroyed.

I would love to see something made explaining something like that here in FFXIV like something unburied or found that uncovers a story of what happen.

I am so getting ff7 remake I am glad I waited for the true remake.

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I would like them to make Jenova origins in FFXIV, expanding into her story, even making her an ally, that in the end got corruptes and someway did escape to the space to land on Gaia, and thus starting the FF7 events.

Should be noted that Jenova only looks like a woman as that is the form it took to trick the inhabitants of Gaia (gradually killing them off with its virus. One again, Jenova is Final Fantasy's version of The Thing). It otherwise has no gender.

even so would love to see how jenova came to and why it chose to do what it did.

plus how it ended up in a jar.

I just want new ways new stuff to be added in game different things about final fantasy stuff you always wondered about to tie off loose ends.

like they did with final fantasy tactics lions war was refreshing to find out about ramza and what happened.

Why should its origins be forced into XIV's canon and storyline when they're not even related in-universe? Ask for another VII spin-off instead of asking to shoehorn VII's canon into ours.

I don't think 'choice' was ever on the table. Jenova likely came into existence one day and its first thoughts were likely: "go to planet, deceive, infect, kill planet, use planet to crash into other planet, repeat." Think something along the lines of why Lavos did the things it did, or maybe Parasite/Mitochondria Eve.

As for how it got into a jar... play Final Fantasy VII. There's enough dialogue to explain what happened (or read up the wikia).

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Originally Posted by LeoLupinos

I would like them to make Jenova origins in FFXIV, expanding into her story, even making her an ally, that in the end got corruptes and someway did escape to the space to land on Gaia, and thus starting the FF7 events.

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No, thank you.
I'd rather have them come up with original stories and content that fit into the narrative of FFXIV because its written for FFXIV instead of forcing something established into the game for the sake of it.
And I could also imagine that FFVII-Fans who dont play FFXIV and have no intrest in playing an MMO would be rather upset to learn that in order to experience FFVII-plot they'd need to start playing FFXIV or miss out on it.

I dont want to see this game ending up as a melting pot of every FF-story - I love all the little nods and refrences and I like it when they adapt and twist certain stories to make them fit into Eorzea, but this game shouldnt become their way of finishing untold stories. FFXIV is its own game, not some "Oh, dont worry about explaining everything in [FFNUMBER], we'll just finish it off in FFXIV!" or "Anyone has a good idea for the next story-patch in FFXIV? - There should be some early storyboards for FFVI-FFX in that box, maybe you can expand on one of them?"
No. No, thank you. Let FFXIV tell FFXIVs story - with nods, hints and refrences, but never with the idea of it being a "prequel" or "sequel" or anything like that.

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Originally Posted by Zeonx

like they did with final fantasy tactics lions war was refreshing to find out about ramza and what happened.

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Correct me if I'm wrong but arent all the Tactics games part of the Ivalice-saga and were meant to play in the same universe from the beginning?
I didnt play all of the Ivalice-saga, but I did like those moments of "oooh, THIS city, I remember it from the last game and hundreds of years ago!" because they made sense within those games. They're telling the story of a "country" throughout the decades with everything that thats involving.

I would also like to point out that our Ramsa isnt part of that - the Ivalice-saga isnt canon for FFXIV and what happend in FFXIV isnt canon for Ivalice. Things might be (very) similar, but thats a "coincidence", not a confirmation that Ivalice and Eorzea are connected (or that Ivalice has always been a part of Hydalyn).
Each FF has its own universe and those universes arent shared as far as the "sincere" story is concerned - cross-over events are always meant with a little wink and are not canon. Why should FFVII be treated differently?

Well, I guess anything is possible really, especially as Yoshi is on record saying FFVII is his personal favourite FF game, and with the remake next year, a FFVII-crossover event is possible.

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Originally Posted by Vidu

Correct me if I'm wrong but arent all the Tactics games part of the Ivalice-saga and were meant to play in the same universe from the beginning?
I didnt play all of the Ivalice-saga, but I did like those moments of "oooh, THIS city, I remember it from the last game and hundreds of years ago!" because they made sense within those games. They're telling the story of a "country" throughout the decades with everything that thats involving.

I would also like to point out that our Ramsa isnt part of that - the Ivalice-saga isnt canon for FFXIV and what happend in FFXIV isnt canon for Ivalice. Things might be (very) similar, but thats a "coincidence", not a confirmation that Ivalice and Eorzea are connected (or that Ivalice has always been a part of Hydalyn)

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The Ivalice shown in FFXIV is in fact canon to FFXIV. It takes names and areas and people from the Ivalice saga and fits them into our world in new ways. They are not canon to the original games as these are not the same characters or places but are new versions of them rooted in this canon. So if they were to take stuff from VII and give them new context and lore based on this canon (which they have already) that’s fine but to retroactively weld unconnected games together is not okay.

Quoted to help clarify your point cause I know people get confused parsing what are meant to be references to other games.

I would be all for ADAPTING Jenova into FFXIV as the antagonist of a raid series or something.

But, not the FF VII Jenova. I don't want the same entity. I much prefer it when FFXIV adapts things from other FF games, and less so the first nine Omega bosses that just slapped in bosses from other games without needing to re contextualize them within FFXIV's setting at all.

I liked having Omega and Shinryu. Having Omega and Shinryu ripped from FF V, I would not have been a fan of. I would be fine with Jenova in FFXIV, as long as it's not literally the FFVII being.

Please no. I honestly think 7 is one of the worst FF games and am already tired of all the other shoehorned reference to past games. Let this game be its own thing.

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Originally Posted by spf1200

Please no. I honestly think 7 is one of the worst FF games and am already tired of all the other shoehorned reference to past games. Let this game be its own thing.

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its not its own game.

people keep saying canon but ultros and typhon and kefka and other references like esper statues.

music this like the center of the final fantasy world. the game is basically fan service it has its own elements but bringing stories from other games you can't ignore it and 7 is by far not the worst final fantasy game.

if you are one that says 8 was the best lol 8 is good but it locks you out of the last cd from doing anything while I can continue exploring on 7, 3/6 was pretty good also for snes

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Originally Posted by Zeonx

its not its own game.

people keep saying canon but ultros and typhon and kefka and other references like esper statues.

music this like the center of the final fantasy world. the game is basically fan service it has its own elements but bringing stories from other games you can't ignore it and 7 is by far not the worst final fantasy game.

if you are one that says 8 was the best lol 8 is good but it locks you out of the last cd from doing anything while I can continue exploring on 7, 3/6 was pretty good also for snes

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I never said 7 was the worst ( that would be ether 15 or 13) I said it is one of the worst. We don't need more references to other FFs in every peace of content and to me the consent fanserivce is one of the weakest parts of this game. It was fine when it was a few things here or there but SB went way over the top with it.

either way in some shape or form you all know sephiroth or cloud or anything from other games will eventually make its way here regardless of what people say or want.

I am putting my 2 cents in before that happens and what I am interested to see come and hopefully one day when it comes they take things in consideration or not but least I gave some input.

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Originally Posted by spf1200

I never said 7 was the worst ( that would be ether 15 or 13) I said it is one of the worst. We don't need more references to other FFs in every peace of content and to me the consent fanserivce is one of the weakest parts of this game. It was fine when it was a few things here or there but SB went way over the top with it.

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Originally Posted by spf1200

Please no. I honestly think 7 is one of the worst FF games

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Yes you did.

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Originally Posted by Zeonx

either way in some shape or form you all know sephiroth or cloud or anything from other games will eventually make its way here regardless of what people say or want.

I am putting my 2 cents in before that happens and what I am interested to see come and hopefully one day when it comes they take things in consideration or not but least I gave some input.

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I'm sure when FFXIV get it's cross over event with FF7 we'll get our Sephiroth fight finally. Tho I would say we wouldn't get that till the final episode of FF7 comes out.

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Originally Posted by Burningskull

I'm sure when FFXIV get it's cross over event with FF7 we'll get our Sephiroth fight finally. Tho I would say we wouldn't get that till the final episode of FF7 comes out.

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exactly 7 wouldn't be the only thing I would like to see maybe a event with crystal chronicals where one teammate holds a lantern while we do puzzles or something.

giving idea's by the way I cannot wait for that to come to ps4 and its co-op

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Originally Posted by Zeonx

its not its own game.

people keep saying canon but ultros and typhon and kefka and other references like esper statues.

music this like the center of the final fantasy world. the game is basically fan service it has its own elements but bringing stories from other games you can't ignore it

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And we're not ignoring it - but there is a huge difference between having some fanservice refrences to things that were adapted to fit into FFXIVs story/lore and the thing you are proposing, which is basically to turn part of FFXIV into an FFVII-prequel.

FFXIV is its own game and especially with its own story. It might borrow characters or creatures from other FFs and that absolutly fine! But it shouldnt tell another games story. If Jenova ends up in this game as some sort of allagan creature that we defeat in a dungeon - sure, I'm cool with that (as cool as I can be with more allagan stuff at this point). But it shouldnt have any connection to FFVII and it shouldnt add anything to FFVIIs story.

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Originally Posted by Zeonx

either way in some shape or form you all know sephiroth or cloud or anything from other games will eventually make its way here regardless of what people say or want.

I am putting my 2 cents in before that happens and what I am interested to see come and hopefully one day when it comes they take things in consideration or not but least I gave some input.

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Sure, we're most likely going to see them - most likely in the form of a limited time event that will tell a neat little story with no real impact on either world, just how the FFXIII, FFXI and FFXV were: All of them tell stories that are pretty much "isolated" and only on the edge of being canon. Basically "canon with a wink". Those events arent the place to make lore revelations or add to the actual story of any of the involved games.

Seriously, having Jenovas origins explained or expanded on in FFXIV - maybe even in an event that only runs for a limited amount of time - would be pretty shitty for any FFVII-fan who isnt playing this...

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Originally Posted by Vidu

And we're not ignoring it - but there is a huge difference between having some fanservice refrences to things that were adapted to fit into FFXIVs story/lore and the thing you are proposing, which is basically to turn part of FFXIV into an FFVII-prequel.

FFXIV is its own game and especially with its own story. It might borrow characters or creatures from other FFs and that absolutly fine! But it shouldnt tell another games story. If Jenova ends up in this game as some sort of allagan creature that we defeat in a dungeon - sure, I'm cool with that (as cool as I can be with more allagan stuff at this point). But it shouldnt have any connection to FFVII and it shouldnt add anything to FFVIIs story.



Sure, we're most likely going to see them - most likely in the form of a limited time event that will tell a neat little story with no real impact on either world, just how the FFXIII, FFXI and FFXV were: All of them tell stories that are pretty much "isolated" and only on the edge of being canon. Basically "canon with a wink". Those events arent the place to make lore revelations or add to the actual story of any of the involved games.

Seriously, having Jenovas origins explained or expanded on in FFXIV - maybe even in an event that only runs for a limited amount of time - would be pretty shitty for any FFVII-fan who isnt playing this...

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Yeah I understand that.

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Originally Posted by Zeonx

I really keep thinking about this and wouldn't it be cool to kinda have a story in FFXIV about jenova from final fantasy 7.

Like was she the only one? I would think she had a father and mother were there others like jenova like a back story or something like were they destroyed.

I would love to see something made explaining something like that here in FFXIV like something unburied or found that uncovers a story of what happen.

I am so getting ff7 remake I am glad I waited for the true remake.

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But we already have a whole server named Jenova, that's all we need.

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Originally Posted by EvalcieChevallier

But we already have a whole server named Jenova, that's all we need.

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lol no I knew someone was going to be thrown this out there.

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Originally Posted by Zeonx

I really keep thinking about this and wouldn't it be cool to kinda have a story in FFXIV about jenova from final fantasy 7.

Like was she the only one? I would think she had a father and mother were there others like jenova like a back story or something like were they destroyed.

I would love to see something made explaining something like that here in FFXIV like something unburied or found that uncovers a story of what happen.

I am so getting ff7 remake I am glad I waited for the true remake.

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we will probably get a cross over event at the same time or later when ff7 and im so excited

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Originally Posted by Zeonx

Yes you did.

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Is this a joke or can you not read? You just proved that I never said it was the worst only that it is ONE OF the worst. Please read things more carefully in the future to avoid making a fool of yourself.

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Originally Posted by spf1200

Is this a joke or can you not read? You just proved that I never said it was the worst only that it is ONE OF the worst. Please read things more carefully in the future to avoid making a fool of yourself.

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Yes I can read one of the worst as you stated nothing has changed.

you start name calling cause I showed you exactly what you said don't pretend I can't read you still called it worst no matter how you put your wording.

own up to it instead of calling me names.

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Originally Posted by guardin

we will probably get a cross over event at the same time or later when ff7 and im so excited

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same I wonder what they will give us, would like to see zacks hair or aeriths hair maybe something cool idk.

I think 7 will be the 24 man in the garlean expansion..or the eight man

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Originally Posted by Izanagi_Fiaresu

I think 7 will be the 24 man in the garlean expansion..or the eight man

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You mean a tower run with like weapons leading up to bosses.

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Originally Posted by Zeonx

You mean a tower run with like weapons leading up to bosses.

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Probably the 8 man raid of the Garlean xpac will be Jenova..it would fit thematically.

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Originally Posted by Izanagi_Fiaresu

Probably the 8 man raid of the Garlean xpac will be Jenova..it would fit thematically.

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As long as they leave Sephiroth for a big thing I am good on that, Sephiroth if he makes a appearance should be something huge being he is a huge deal.

He can't be put into the game and just be beaten once and move on I think that he should cause problems for the world itself as a whole and they come together to get rid of the issue, with a character like him I just think he should get something else.

to the people who say no.

its a game I like excitement surprises and all sorts of stuff like Kingdom hearts arena when sephiroth came down that was surprising and good.

that's what I like in gaming the surprise and we don't get much of those anymore.

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Originally Posted by Zeonx

Yes I can read one of the worst as you stated nothing has changed.

you start name calling cause I showed you exactly what you said don't pretend I can't read you still called it worst no matter how you put your wording.

own up to it instead of calling me names.

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You don't seem to understand English very well. "One of the worst" is not the same as "the worst".

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Originally Posted by spf1200

Please no. I honestly think 7 is one of the worst FF games and am already tired of all the other shoehorned reference to past games. Let this game be its own thing.

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Seconded. Seven is one of those titles that has been over hyped and full of nostalgia blindness because so many players experienced it as their first game in the series.... but in reality the story was pretty weak and materia made individual characters irrelevant.

I wouldn't oppose mild references to the game or using interesting models for optional content in the game just in fairness to the warring triad already in the game, or the allusion to the Magitech Research Facility from VI in the Stormblood story, but I don't think that Jenova should be a major part of any part of the story, and nothing they do should be considered cannon in the VII storyline. Also I would hesitate since the aesthetic of VII (and VIII as well) are pretty incongruent to the general ideas of XIV.

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Originally Posted by spf1200

You don't seem to understand English very well. "One of the worst" is not the same as "the worst".

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except I can read.

its the same as if you were to say that was one of the worst pieces of pizza I have ever had it you are still calling it the "worst" even if you said "one of the" you are selecting it out of a pile and calling it crap.
Then what if someone else asks you what do you think of FF7 again, you say it again but then refuse you said it that cracks me up.

no matter what you are calling it one of the worst its still means the worst you are just including it into a pile.
you can say oh star ocean is one of the worst games along with FF7 you still meant the same stuff lol stop please.

Read what you are saying-

I am not saying the worst
i'm calling it one of the worst

the word worst is in your sentence and still means the same thing in definition. it never changes you go read I don't need to.

The worst = bottom of the list, the singular worst.
One of the worst = one of several at the bottom end but not necessarily the one AT the bottom.

One could consider VII 'one of the worst' FF games but it actually be the fifth worst if they listed them all out.

Both sentences condemn the thing for being bad, or at least, of comparatively lower quality than most of the overall group, but there is an important difference.

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Originally Posted by Zeonx

except I can read.

its the same as if you were to say that was one of the worst pieces of pizza I have ever had it you are still calling it the "worst" even if you said "one of the" you are selecting it out of a pile and calling it crap.
Then what if someone else asks you what do you think of FF7 again, you say it again but then refuse you said it that cracks me up.

no matter what you are calling it one of the worst its still means the worst you are just including it into a pile.
you can say oh star ocean is one of the worst games along with FF7 you still meant the same stuff lol stop please.

Read what you are saying-

I am not saying the worst
i'm calling it one of the worst

the word worst is in your sentence and still means the same thing in definition. it never changes you go read I don't need to.

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OMG you can't be this stupid.

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Originally Posted by Bright-Flower

The worst = bottom of the list, the singular worst.
One of the worst = one of several at the bottom end but not necessarily the one AT the bottom.

One could consider VII 'one of the worst' FF games but it actually be the fifth worst if they listed them all out.

Both sentences condemn the thing for being bad, or at least, of comparatively lower quality than most of the overall group, but there is an important difference.

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Please read this OP and learn how the English language works, I know it can be hard but please do try

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Originally Posted by Bright-Flower

The worst = bottom of the list, the singular worst.
One of the worst = one of several at the bottom end but not necessarily the one AT the bottom.

One could consider VII 'one of the worst' FF games but it actually be the fifth worst if they listed them all out.

Both sentences condemn the thing for being bad, or at least, of comparatively lower quality than most of the overall group, but there is an important difference.

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Don't fall for their trap seems they are trying to bait me into saying something bad, so they can probably report me for me proving them wrong.

I have seen this before where someone proved someone wrong then they kept calling them out over and over about stuff till other person caved in called them a name and then were temp banned best to ignore.

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Originally Posted by Zeonx

Don't fall for their trap seems they are trying to bait me into saying something bad, so they can probably report me for me proving them wrong.

I have seen this before where someone proved someone wrong then they kept calling them out over and over about stuff till other person caved in called them a name and then were temp banned best to ignore.

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Wow what a paranoid world you live in. I'm not trying to get you banned. You called me a liar and I am defending myself against your baseless accusation