yeah, so what gives? why is this happening? i uninstall, and the FFXIV Launcher re-installs it. ZERO COMPREHENSION!
Launcher installs Bonjour...
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06-12-2019, 05:50 AMBLaCKnBLu3B3RRYLauncher installs Bonjour...
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06-12-2019, 05:54 AMAnienai
Freakin lalafells.
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06-12-2019, 05:56 AMCrystal_RavenFFXIV launcher is based on Internet Explorer.Quote:
Originally Posted by BLaCKnBLu3B3RRY
Internet explorer uses bonjour. -
06-12-2019, 06:20 AMBLaCKnBLu3B3RRYBonjour is Apple software, and Internet Explorer doesn't use it. Windows doesn't even use it. only other Apple software uses it. other Apple software, and other niche software that uses some of the Bonjour services. like AirPower alternatives and such.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crystal_Raven
either way... i sure as hell didn't agree to having bundle-ware installed. -
06-12-2019, 06:27 AMPaladinleeds"Bonjour for Windows also adds zeroconf capabilities to Internet Explorer, and provides a zeroconf implementation to Java VMs"Quote:
Originally Posted by BLaCKnBLu3B3RRY
It's possible FFXIV is using those zeroconf abilities provided by Bonjour. -
06-12-2019, 06:31 AMCrystal_RavenBonjour for Windows adds zeroconf abilities to IE and provides implementation to JVMS, and FF14 launcher relies on that to function correctly.Quote:
Originally Posted by BLaCKnBLu3B3RRY
Edit: You agreed when you agreed you install it. :)
A lot of other things use it besides apple software. -
06-12-2019, 06:46 AMBearded
People are still using Internet Explorer?
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06-12-2019, 07:00 AMBLaCKnBLu3B3RRY
yeah, but it only does that when Apple or Apple-related software needs it to be there. Windows itself doesn't need Bonjour for zeroconf. is the FFXIV Launcher somehow actually Apple software in disguise? i am sorry, but this still isn't making sense. and, why now? why suddenly we need this installed? why does everything work just fine when blocking the install? it is clearly not needed. something fishy is happening. there is zero reason as of to why Square Enix needs users to have Bonjour installed.
i personally won't EVER agree to install any software from Apple. they can't be trusted. i remember back when they bundled adware and crap with Bonjour. hell... their user agreements used to be iron clad, that they pretty much owned your life for accepting.
hell, we don't even get a notice from SE... 'hey, we are bundling third-party software with ours'. nothing. again, i didn't agree to bundle-ware. i can't find anywhere that says i agreed to bundle-ware, or third-party software not from Square Enix. -
06-12-2019, 07:02 AMBLaCKnBLu3B3RRYQuote:
Originally Posted by Bearded
sadly yes. as mentioned above, the FFXIV Launcher uses Internet Explorer. and plenty of those silly Flash games that certain places operate too. like they have that mini-client you can download and use. they all use Internet Explorer. which is really really bad. just gives them an out to never ever switch up to Unity when Flash is removed from all common browsers.
Internet Explorer will likely always maintain support for Flash, just as it does for Java. and since it is core to Windows, Microsoft will never remove. forever enabling those certain hosts to fallback on it and never updating to Unity. Flash is too slow and buggy, but they don't care. LOL -
06-12-2019, 08:07 AMValkyrie_Lenneth
Which version of windows are you running? I've never had this happen when I've installed the game. At least that I've noticed.
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06-12-2019, 08:12 AMDustytomeDitto. Don't see it running or installed at all. Where did you download the installer from?Quote:
Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth
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06-12-2019, 08:13 AMBLaCKnBLu3B3RRYWindows 10 HomeQuote:
Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth
Version 1903 (OS Build 18362.113)
https://www.finalfantasyxiv.com/playersdownload/na/Quote:
Originally Posted by Dustytome
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06-12-2019, 08:22 AMworldofneil
Just checked the machines I have XIV on and no Bonjour here either.
The date on the installer (the one you linked) is also 8th August 2013, suggesting that it is the very same installer that we've had since 2.0 (and it certainly looks the same when ran).
Whever you got Bonjour from, it probably didn't come with XIV.
Perhaps look in Control Panel -> Programs and see what date it was installed and then see what other software was installed on that same day. -
06-12-2019, 08:22 AMDustytome
Reading what others said, perhaps the launcher isn't installing it, but the browser itself is loading it when called by the launcher. There may be something else on your machine utilizing it. If you just open the browser after uninstalling it do you have the same issue?
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06-12-2019, 08:45 AMBLaCKnBLu3B3RRY
simply launching Internet Explorer doesn't have it installed. the only time an install is attempted is when running the FFXIV Launcher. i can also see this by running the launcher in a sandbox. i can also deny permissions for the launcher and thereby block the installation.
as far as something else installed that may use Bonjour services... nothing! i absolutely will not EVER willingly install or use anything from Apple. -
06-12-2019, 09:09 AMDumdogsWorldReminds me of a friend of mine who claims to have "completely uninstalled" Internet Explorer from his computer using 3rd party tools.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bearded
It doesn't work like that. I know. I've seen the code. Both retail Windows and Windows CE 5, the latter which is open source under a restrictive license.
99% of the code that makes Internet Explorer what it is is also bundled into Windows Explorer. The Internet Explorer executable pretty much just acts like a "client" for that functionality.
Every time you go to browse the folders on your hard drive - surprise! Same code.
Although, the motion to eliminate the Internet Explorer executable as a major browser is for the best. Insecure code is less likely to be exploited with offline use. -
06-12-2019, 09:27 AMBLaCKnBLu3B3RRYQuote:
Originally Posted by DumdogsWorld
this^
i remember, once upon-a-time, i tried removing Internet Explorer. there is/was an actual option in Windows to remove it, but it doesn't FULLY remove it in its entirety. and if you attempt to remove it on your own, you break Windows. i never did explore an alternative to the default Explorer and then trying again. but, as i understand it, Internet Explorer and Explorer are basically the same thing. and the Internet Explorer is critical to Explorer and Windows operation.
i personally hope Microsoft will one day just destroy the thing and make it work some other way. (or, as you say, make it offline only. this would be sensible, because it's not like IE is actually broken.) with the way Flash is going and the fact that certain developers offer the ability to play their games through a so-called 'mini-client' that uses Internet Explorer... well, these developers will never update to Unity, which is bad. Flash is terrible and should have never became a thing in the first place. it was never good, and never will be. just my opinion, though. i can't wait for Flash support to be dropped from common browsers. this will separate the developers who actually care about the quality of the game their users play from those who don't. those who will cling to their IE-based mini-client will be called out as trash. -
06-12-2019, 09:35 AMValkyrie_Lenneth
Yeah, I don't have bonjour installed on this pc, or my laptop, which has a more recent XIV installation. Maybe something else on your PC is causing this.
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06-12-2019, 04:56 PMKarstenSI think its possible that a plugin or something else, which is hooked into IE, is reinstalling it as soon the IE get launched.Quote:
Originally Posted by BLaCKnBLu3B3RRY
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06-12-2019, 11:27 PMMrKusakabe
I am sure you still can't uninstall Internet Explorer. In 1995, you often needed to install Internet Explorer (4 or 5) in order to play certain games because it required certain features/libraries.
It was kinda odd that they bundled the Internet Explorer with, IIRC, King’s Quest VII. We had no internet connection and it was baffling to have it to be installed.
For compatibility reasons (or just spaghetti code), I guess you still need to have an IE available if a program does a simple check that you have the libraries (and not, oh my god, Netscape!)
I have Bonjour running right now as my iPod Touch is charging and it basically acts as a network driver from iOS <-> Windows. The name of Bonjour is btw. shown as "mDNSResponder", who knows for what little bit of work this is needed.
Maybe a leftover of a cross-platform launcher or something?
Sincerely,
https://imgur.com/kXOfaq9.png
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06-13-2019, 02:11 AMDragonFlyy
Had Bonjour from when I used to use iTunes. Removed everything from Apple from my computer. Opened FFXIV launcher. Still no Bonjour, opened the game and played a bit, still no Bonjour. Not sure what OP is seeing. It might be a piece of spyware masked as Bonjour and it's just reinstalling itself. I good HD cleaning might be in order.