Job Story for 5.0

So with the job storyline changes, how do you think they may play out story/lore wise?

From what I we know so far...

1) Job Role Quests are REQUIRED! So players must complete at least 1 of the job Role Storyline to progress in the Main Scenario Quests but ONLY ONE.

2) there are 4 different Job Role Quests being Tank, Healer, DPS Melee, and DPS Range.

3) Only new Job quest will be unlocked on level 80 only.

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

So with the job storyline changes, how do you think they may play out story/lore wise?

From what I we know so far...

1) Job Role Quests are REQUIRED! So players must complete at least 1 of the job Role Storyline to progress in the Main Scenario Quests but ONLY ONE.

2) there are 4 different Job Role Quests being Tank, Healer, DPS Melee, and DPS Range.

3) Only new Job quest will be unlocked on level 80 only.

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I believe Yoshi-P stated in an interview that the level 80 job quests play out like "We've been on the First doing darkness shenanigans, let's go back to the Source and see how our Job guys are holding up". I've also heard that the level 80 job quests will be relatively longer to make up for the fact there is only 1 job quest. Also, in regards to Role Quest divisions, it is not DPS Range and Melee, but DPS Physical and Magic. The slide from Live Letter 51 introducing them had a picture of a tank, a healer, a ranged physical and a caster to illustrate the point.

I wonder how they're going to explain MCH's sudden thematic shift from marksman to gadgeteer.

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Originally Posted by Brightamethyst

I wonder how they're going to explain MCH's sudden thematic shift from marksman to gadgeteer.

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Throughout the lvl 30-60 MCH quests, it is implied that Stephanavien, the job tutor, is constantly making new toys for you to experiment with. It never specifies what KIND of toys though. So you are simply replacing the gauss barrel and bishop auto turret with the other things MCH gets now, such as Drill.

I'm keen to learn how we're going to explain a Demi-Phoenix away... Goes from "Nobody must ever learn of this..." in Coil, to "Lets show everyone!" with SMN 80... Then again, I don't recall Demi-Bahamut having much in the way of an explanation, when it really should have something... The Calamity was such a major traumatic event, I wonder how many PTSD episodes Summoners have triggered just carelessly throwing Demi-Bahamut about...

Also, I'm just now realizing that there are 4 Role Questlines, following the history of the Warriors of "Darkness"... I may need to revise my current theory... Crystal of Earth for Tanks, Crystal of Water for Healers, Crystal of Fire for Melee, and Crystal of Wind for Ranged... Oh yes I can see them doing something like that...

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Originally Posted by Nalien

I'm keen to learn how we're going to explain a Demi-Phoenix away... Goes from "Nobody must ever learn of this..." in Coil, to "Lets show everyone!" with SMN 80... Then again, I don't recall Demi-Bahamut having much in the way of an explanation, when it really should have something... The Calamity was such a major traumatic event, I wonder how many PTSD episodes Summoners have triggered just carelessly throwing Demi-Bahamut about...

Also, I'm just now realizing that there are 4 Role Questlines, following the history of the Warriors of "Darkness"... I may need to revise my current theory... Crystal of Earth for Tanks, Crystal of Water for Healers, Crystal of Fire for Melee, and Crystal of Wind for Ranged... Oh yes I can see them doing something like that...

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Didn't Arbert have the Crystal of Fire? I guess it depends on if the tank storyline follows him, or if he acts as the leader and the quests follow Blanhaerz.

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Originally Posted by Nalien

I'm keen to learn how we're going to explain a Demi-Phoenix away... Goes from "Nobody must ever learn of this..." in Coil, to "Lets show everyone!" with SMN 80... Then again, I don't recall Demi-Bahamut having much in the way of an explanation, when it really should have something... The Calamity was such a major traumatic event, I wonder how many PTSD episodes Summoners have triggered just carelessly throwing Demi-Bahamut about...

Also, I'm just now realizing that there are 4 Role Questlines, following the history of the Warriors of "Darkness"... I may need to revise my current theory... Crystal of Earth for Tanks, Crystal of Water for Healers, Crystal of Fire for Melee, and Crystal of Wind for Ranged... Oh yes I can see them doing something like that...

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A couple of others have already mentioned it but the explanation is easy enough. For those closest to the SMN but not quite in the know Phoenix's aether was mixed in with Bahamut's, thus the SMN is just as linked to Phoenix as they are to Bahamut. And only might need explaining if the SMN themselves know about Phoenix's connection to Bahamut's defeat given that you won't need to beat t12 to access it.

Meanwhile anyone outside of that small circle will just see the SMN using a new summon and at best be "thats so cool" or "Arrrrgh I'm on fire!" and not "OMG Phoenix was the one who beat Bahamut and was also Louisoix!" Plus the fact that in-story the SMN probably doesn't call Bahamut out in the middle of a residential area to test on a dummy.

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Originally Posted by Nalien

I'm keen to learn how we're going to explain a Demi-Phoenix away... Goes from "Nobody must ever learn of this..." in Coil, to "Lets show everyone!" with SMN 80... Then again, I don't recall Demi-Bahamut having much in the way of an explanation, when it really should have something... The Calamity was such a major traumatic event, I wonder how many PTSD episodes Summoners have triggered just carelessly throwing Demi-Bahamut about...

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But aren't we WoL Summoners a "special someone", like other Summoners are more likely advanced Arcanists but we were the one who had a special interaction with Bahamut (and Phenix too) so we are the "only one" able to channel these Demi-Primals? I don't see the mastering of Demi- summoning like a well spread learning.
Anyway I'm curious because (at least until level 60) SMN had quite a focused quest series, we were walking the patch of getting the "ultimate" ability. Here it's gonna sound like "Hennlo Ymithra, check out mah fire birb"

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Originally Posted by Mansion

But aren't we WoL Summoners a "special someone", like other Summoners are more likely advanced Arcanists but we were the one who had a special interaction with Bahamut (and Phenix too) so we are the "only one" able to channel these Demi-Primals? I don't see the mastering of Demi- summoning like a well spread learning.
Anyway I'm curious because (at least until level 60) SMN had quite a focused quest series, we were walking the patch of getting the "ultimate" ability. Here it's gonna sound like "Hennlo Ymithra, check out mah fire birb"

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As far as 'special ineraction' with Bahamut and Phoenix goes... the Dreadwyrm trance is explained to be possible due to all of Eorzea being doused in his aether in the Calamity, and we are just learning how to 'attune' to that aether. Firebird trance can be a similar thing, due to Phoenix being present at the same time as Bahamut. As for the actual summoning of Demi's.... the only nuggets we get about that is that Prin teaches us an 'advanced summoning technique' before it enters hibernation and that 'Demi-x' enemies appear during the instance we fight on Seal Rock. I was hoping that the Encyclopaedia Eorzea Volume II would have had a bit more context to add regarding Demi summoning, but I don't have it, and none of the people who do have said anything about it.

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Originally Posted by MrThinker

As far as 'special ineraction' with Bahamut and Phoenix goes... the Dreadwyrm trance is explained to be possible due to all of Eorzea being doused in his aether in the Calamity, and we are just learning how to 'attune' to that aether. Firebird trance can be a similar thing, due to Phoenix being present at the same time as Bahamut. As for the actual summoning of Demi's.... the only nuggets we get about that is that Prin teaches us an 'advanced summoning technique' before it enters hibernation and that 'Demi-x' enemies appear during the instance we fight on Seal Rock. I was hoping that the Encyclopaedia Eorzea Volume II would have had a bit more context to add regarding Demi summoning, but I don't have it, and none of the people who do have said anything about it.

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The second volume doesn't go into it at all, the part for Jobs is mostly about the weapons and armors. We might see more in Volume III but who knows.

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Originally Posted by Dualblade

Meanwhile anyone outside of that small circle will just see the SMN using a new summon and at best be "thats so cool" or "Arrrrgh I'm on fire!" and not "OMG Phoenix was the one who beat Bahamut and was also Louisoix!" Plus the fact that in-story the SMN probably doesn't call Bahamut out in the middle of a residential area to test on a dummy.

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IDK, if I was an NPC, I'd be asking what Primal that's based on, where/when the WoL battled it.

Don't even need to go that far though, it's obviously a Phoenix based Primal. Part of the reason we were told not to let the Phoenix story leave Coil was because that kind of Primal (one with the power of Rebirth) is a pretty dangerous idea to let out... If people knew there was a Phoenix Primal, and they now will because we're just throwing it out there, they might get the idea to summon it in order to revive <insert loved one here>. Then they're tempered. Then they're just summoning it for fun. Then we have a problem.

Not letting out the truth behind Coil is easy. We can BS a story about where we encountered the Primal very easily. We'll still be making it public knowledge that there is indeed a Phoenix based Primal kicking around the world though, and that is also what we were warned against doing in Coil...

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Originally Posted by Nalien

IDK, if I was an NPC, I'd be asking what Primal that's based on, where/when the WoL battled it.

Don't even need to go that far though, it's obviously a Phoenix based Primal. Part of the reason we were told not to let the Phoenix story leave Coil was because that kind of Primal (one with the power of Rebirth) is a pretty dangerous idea to let out... If people knew there was a Phoenix Primal, and they now will because we're just throwing it out there, they might get the idea to summon it in order to revive <insert loved one here>. Then they're tempered. Then they're just summoning it for fun. Then we have a problem.

Not letting out the truth behind Coil is easy. We can BS a story about where we encountered the Primal very easily. We'll still be making it public knowledge that there is indeed a Phoenix based Primal kicking around the world though, and that is also what we were warned against doing in Coil...

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Suzaku existing would make it pretty easy to lie about.

Well we aren't using Phoenix to bring anything back from the dead. We can just say Phoenix is the primal with the power to burn you into charcoal. I'm sure the story will find a solution.

As for my main, the ninja....All I want is for Karasu to stick around. It's not fun without him. He'll jump in, make fun of Oboro, kidnap another girl, fake his death and help kill the final boss.

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Originally Posted by Balipu

Well we aren't using Phoenix to bring anything back from the dead. We can just say Phoenix is the primal with the power to burn you into charcoal. I'm sure the story will find a solution.

As for my main, the ninja....All I want is for Karasu to stick around. It's not fun without him. He'll jump in, make fun of Oboro, kidnap another girl, fake his death and help kill the final boss.

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It will most likely get explained in the lvl 80 quest anyways.

On that note, if I have to guess it maybe related to survivors of the Calamity that actually witness Phoenix appear and made Bahamut disappear which would explain why people believe in the Phoenix.

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

It will most likely get explained in the lvl 80 quest anyways.

On that note, if I have to guess it maybe related to survivors of the Calamity that actually witness Phoenix appear and made Bahamut disappear which would explain why people believe in the Phoenix.

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But we saw how it ended in Flames of Truth, and Phoenix never visually manifested. Louisoux's Phoenix was blue anyway.

Phoenix is probably blue in Coil because it is tempered by Bahamut at that point. And Bahamut's main aether attacks are all blue. When we see Phoenix in UCoB where it revives the party, it is back to it's usual gold and red coloring.

From memory, Phoenix changes colour after we defeat and un-temper it/him.

Phoenix actually changes colour after the add phase in the battle during the Final Coil of Bahamut. Once Phoenix finishes casting the "Rebirth" skill and enters the final phases of the fight, its blue feathers turn the red-orange. It's the latter colour in Unending Coil as well, but I'm not sure you can confidently point that "blue feather = tempered" when Louiphoenix still pounds away with us at full force in the actual canonical encounter of Final Coil as the red-gold Phoenix.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

From memory, Phoenix changes colour after we defeat and un-temper it/him.

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Originally Posted by Rocl

Phoenix actually changes colour after the add phase in the battle during the Final Coil of Bahamut. Once Phoenix finishes casting the "Rebirth" skill and enters the final phases of the fight, its blue feathers turn the red-orange. It's the latter colour in Unending Coil as well, but I'm not sure you can confidently point that "blue feather = tempered" when Louiphoenix still pounds away with us at full force in the actual canonical encounter of Final Coil as the red-gold Phoenix.

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In fact, Phoenix changes BACK into red-blue after we beat him. The red-gold is just more of a 'high-powered' state if anything. And yes, according to Flames of Truth, he doesn't transform, but his aetherial shroud assumes a phoenix like shape before it bursts through Teraflare.

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Originally Posted by MrThinker

I believe Yoshi-P stated in an interview that the level 80 job quests play out like "We've been on the First doing darkness shenanigans, let's go back to the Source and see how our Job guys are holding up". I've also heard that the level 80 job quests will be relatively longer to make up for the fact there is only 1 job quest. Also, in regards to Role Quest divisions, it is not DPS Range and Melee, but DPS Physical and Magic. The slide from Live Letter 51 introducing them had a picture of a tank, a healer, a ranged physical and a caster to illustrate the point.

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I honestly would like this format of 1 long role quest instead of multiple quests unlocked at certain levels. just finished the DRK quest up to 70 and I think the pacing suffered quite a bit :/

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Originally Posted by Dualblade

The second volume doesn't go into it at all, the part for Jobs is mostly about the weapons and armors. We might see more in Volume III but who knows.

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Yeah, I'm not expecting vol 3 to do anything for older jobs beyond give some lore on their AF4 weapons/armor. Gun Breaker and Dancer of course will get the full breakdown but I don't expect any big revisits to old jobs.

Though it is a little funny now that some of the spells that once got detailed in the lore books like Flash are going away now. Or at least Flash is I haven't checked to see if it's the only case or not.

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Originally Posted by Bright-Flower

Though it is a little funny now that some of the spells that once got detailed in the lore books like Flash are going away now. Or at least Flash is I haven't checked to see if it's the only case or not.

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I actually did this recently after remembering the Flash entry, lol. Flash, Manwall, Leeches, and Gauss Barrel are the casualties with entries in the first Encyclopedia.

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Originally Posted by MrThinker

In fact, Phoenix changes BACK into red-blue after we beat him.

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Ah, I had thought to check the immediate aftermath of battle cutscene but time got the better of me. Thanks!

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Originally Posted by Nalien

IDK, if I was an NPC, I'd be asking what Primal that's based on, where/when the WoL battled it.

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I mean, the WoL doesn't have to have battled it. Just have been "exposed to its aether upon its death". That's the explanation as to how a SMN who has never done Coil is able to summon Demi-Bahamut - they were in Eorzea when the Calamity occurred.

Who else was present at the Calamity, and (apparently) died and dispersed its Aether afterwards? Phoenix!

Now, admittedly, there's apparently some strange amnesia shenanigans going around, and that's why no one mentions Phoenix, or is able to give any details as to what happened at the Calamity. So the conversation might go:

NPC: When did you fight Phoenix?
Me: I didn't. I was immersed in its Aether during the Calamity.
NPC: I don't remember Phoenix at the Calamity!
Me: I doubt you remember much of anything about the Calamity, just like anyone else.
NPC: So how do YOU know Phoenix was there?
Me: Echo.
NPC: ...oh, okay.

Nobody knows who Phoenix is except you and Alisae, so nobody's going to ask.

Besides, all Alisae feared is that Eorzeans would figure out that they COULD summon a primal, not anything particular to Phoenix itself. In other words, as long as Eorzeans don't learn that Phoenix was summoned through their prayers, we can walk around with Phoenix all day and it won't be a big deal. In that regard, Phoenix is just any other Egi and hold no other significance, unless we divulge its origins, which we won't.

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Originally Posted by Jonnycbad

Nobody knows who Phoenix is except you and Alisae, so nobody's going to ask.

Besides, all Alisae feared is that Eorzeans would figure out that they COULD summon a primal, not anything particular to Phoenix itself. In other words, as long as Eorzeans don't learn that Phoenix was summoned through their prayers, we can walk around with Phoenix all day and it won't be a big deal. In that regard, Phoenix is just any other Egi and hold no other significance, unless we divulge its origins, which we won't.

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Would people even believe its origins? "Archon Louisoux used your prayers to become a primal and fly through Dalamud and Bahamut, then was resurrected by Bahamut's brain as a giant fire bird that I killed."

Exactly. Besides, who's gonna question you? You're the WoL.

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Originally Posted by chocopoko

I honestly would like this format of 1 long role quest instead of multiple quests unlocked at certain levels. just finished the DRK quest up to 70 and I think the pacing suffered quite a bit :/

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Also, imo, the job quests in SB felt kind of... underwhelming regarding its own dramatic development... It's like, part 1: kill some things... part 2: return to the NPC to kill a couple more things... The real important events always happening at the last phases, close and at level 70. I suppose one big well written quest can achieve a similar result.