So healers are worried about not having variety in DPS, or having a lot of down time, or not being able to dps a lot etc etc. Some ideas I heard, was more healing checks, you could easily out gear that.
So here is my idea. Thanks to a random memory in FF7, they should have content where there is a phase that healers do damage with healing spells to enemies.
Have a mechanic in a raid where the healers now cause damage to enemies when they cast healing spells, the DPS have to do a specific mechanic that heals the party or themselves. Then flip it again and have a regular healing check. Have raise insta kill things at a certain point, or whatever.
Lore wise, I guess it makes sense? The light is strong in the first, so if you encounter a dark aspected whatever, healing (light aspected) then becomes damaging.
Dunno food for thought.
1.5% royalties please.
A interesting content idea for healers!
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06-07-2019, 01:37 AMMistyregionsA interesting content idea for healers!
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06-07-2019, 01:46 AMHysterior
Happens in fights like Shinryu. Pretty sure healers will have more to do in 5,0
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06-07-2019, 01:58 AMEli85
How about we, you know, wait to play healers in 5.0, instead of thinking about possible solutions to hypothetical problems about changes that no one, outside of the media tour, has had a chance to actually play?
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06-07-2019, 02:59 AMKazrah
Couple fights in WoW spring to mind like Valithra Dreamwalker and Tsulong where healers have to heal the boss on top of healing the group dealing with mob waves. There could also be a boss fight like the grand fate in Churning Mists with DPS damaging the boss while healers heal the NPC fighting it alongside the players.
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06-08-2019, 10:40 AMfrostmagemariThe question is.. will they think to do things like that; or will they stick with their traditional formula of fights to not rock the boat?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kazrah
They seem to not want to rock the boat in general, as that's their whole reason for not wanting to re-balance some tank invulnerable abilities; people would complain too much.
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06-10-2019, 03:45 AMKazrahI agree. They definitely like the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" philosophy.Quote:
Originally Posted by frostmagemari
Then again, I look at the Astrologian card changes and think that maybe they don't mind a bit of player complaints if it means having jobs in a given role more balanced out. -
06-10-2019, 04:41 AMAomine1992I wish but for healers and tanks it seems the sky is falling lol I wish we could wait to give feedback after the first raid tier like we did in SB but people already have a disposition on changes that haven’t even been implemented yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli85
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06-10-2019, 05:25 AMHalivelI am Tank and I'm happy with our changings? There is nothing what I can consider as "sky is falling". It's better to wait the release anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aomine1992
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06-10-2019, 05:39 AMEnkidoh
That sounds like the old 'healing spells do damage to undead trick' which has been a part of the FF series since.. well... the beginning I think. It was even a thing back in FFXI (as it is throughout most earlier FF games), and due to a bug that occured where the calculation used to determine how much damage they would do glitched and did far far more damage than it was supposed to, players being what they are quickly discovered this bug and exploited it for it was worth (using it to almost instant-kill certain undead bosses and NMs) - the bug was not only fixed SE determined that it was an unauthorised exploit and so mass-banned players that had used the exploit. It became a rather unpleasant business all round when it was all said and done.
It seems SE want to avoid a repeat of this whole sordid affair so thus that trick was all but made utterly useless here. As FFXIV does not have any kind of elemental damage any more (with the exception of Eureka) it is a moot point anyway. -
06-10-2019, 06:25 AMguardinamen to this. people are just making healer threads cause its "hot" right now to get attention. (like healers need anymore). healers are in the best shape they are in and cant wait til SHB releases so we can move on to more important things like exploration open world content and climbingQuote:
Originally Posted by Eli85
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06-11-2019, 04:45 AMCheezebell
Another idea I really like is adding in more frequent healing procs, like how sometimes cure will proc a freecure to get you to use Cure II, but make actual healing "combos" if that makes sense? I feel like that could make healing more fun and varied, action-wise. I dunno how everyone else feels about that though.
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06-11-2019, 05:06 AMalthenawhm
"Just wait for Shadowbringers to be released to see if you like having 2 buttons for DPS!"
No thank you, I've run Sastasha before. I already know I hate it. -
06-11-2019, 05:10 AMStarRosieI've seen a few folks throwing a fit that is akin to when SE did the right thing and killed Cleric Stance. "My stance dancing!" But that's the most extreme I've seen it get.Quote:
Originally Posted by Halivel
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06-11-2019, 05:27 AMDarkplanetYea Shinryu ex had a nice healer heal as dps check. But yea I’m all for going in this directionQuote:
Originally Posted by Hysterior
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06-11-2019, 05:44 AMHalivelOh well, saw it too. Can't really get it, because... there was not any real stance dancing, to be quite honest. If your party is okay, you will be in dps stance 99.9% of the time (except general dungeons under big pulls). If "being in dps stance" = "stance dancing" then I'm even more glad they finally removed it. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by StarRosie
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06-11-2019, 06:07 AMInuk9
Just do more damage in content (both ranfom and predictable damage) so healers wont have time for dps or they will have to be creative/good to do DPS.
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06-11-2019, 06:11 AMVahlnirSorry, this sort of logical thinking is not allowed 'round these here parts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eli85
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06-11-2019, 08:59 AMReiryuuPre-Stormblood: "Shut up, you haven't played it yet."Quote:
Originally Posted by Vahlnir
Stormblood: "Shut up, you're not 70 yet."
Level 70: "Shut up, raid tiers aren't out yet."
Raid Tiers: "Well, maybe they'll make adjustments."
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06-11-2019, 11:01 AMfrostmagemariY'know.. i gotta wonder how they rationalized it was an exploit though. Healing being damaging to undead has been around forever, and if i recall correctly, you could cast heals on any enemy mob if you actually wanted to. It seems like a natural attempt to use curative magic against undead enemies, and how was the player-base to know it was an exploit? To any rational person, it would seem like a gameplay feature they didn't balance properly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Enkidoh
Not much else to say on the main topic.. just found this interesting. -
06-11-2019, 11:47 AMPowercowPfft, feedback is for when it's too late to change anything, not before! Don't you know that!?Quote:
Originally Posted by Reiryuu
You're supposed to wait until after the crash and THEN apply the brakes!
You're worried about that iceberg up ahead? Ah it's probably nothing guys, no need to change course, everything will work out fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiine. -
06-11-2019, 12:11 PMVahlnirI can see your point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reiryuu
And as funny as this may be, your point as well. Right now is the best time for feedback. And I have a friend who is genuinely unhappy with the healer changes, namely AST, so yeah I get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Powercow