Will Eureka remain relevant?

I've been away ever since a month or so after 4.0 launch ... so I've only just got around to experiencing Eureka, and I love it.

I love that it gives me those FFXI feels. I love that monsters will bother to chase me and everything aggros. I love that I got killed by the level 5 Phurble. I love that I lose exp for death. I love that elements mean something. I love that people actually talk to each other and form parties and work together.

I get that not everyone likes it, but I can plainly see that the people in there love it too. Maybe the primary mistake was tying the Geralt quest to it, because that made people feel like they HAD to do it even if they didn't want to...

But there's a ton of other stuff to get, like Materia, Mats, Tomes, Mounts etc (and the joy of just doing it if you're into that sort of thing).

Since it is tied to its own leveling system, it should easily be transferable to future expansions, simply by having it continue to drop both stuff like Mounts, but also current Materia / Mats / Tomes. Stuff that doesn't necessarily force the player to play it unless they want every Mount for completion. But makes it another option, a way to spend time in the game, just an ongoing form of current content by which to progress.

I mean, for me personally, I'll put some time into it here and there no matter what, just because I want to ... but it would seem like such a waste for it to lapse into irrelevance as far as tomes etc. Anyone have a clue about this?

They could add features in 5.0 to make it more undersize-friendly, like FC accessing Diadem for instance.
But the design of Eureka that built into its own experience (like it or hate it) will be difficult to carry over because it simply needs a lot of players. They would need to nerf a lot of it, make a strong scaling for small instances for certain NMs...
There are also issues in the current design. A "veteran" Eureka player will mess up EXP gains if they team up with lower eLevel members etc.

They'd need to change a lot of it, so I guess it will just die out. And the currently Eureka Exclusive items will drop in the 5.3 deep dungeon.

Honestly not sure because Eureka has so much content in it unique to Eureka.
Relic weapons, expensive armors, mounts, emotes & and a ton of grinding to get them.

I could see it being something again after people finally lose their hype when ShB comes out, but expect it to be dead as soon as ShB drops.

We will see soon. The devs are claiming that they have a way of scaling/modifying the content so that it remains do-able in the future. I honestly don't see how they can pull that of as basically all you do is killing a bunch of specific mobs to spawn a big mob to kill. A lot of those a definitively not solo-able by a dps. And you can already see zone drying up already.

currently eureka scale your equipment to ilevel 300, so they may just increase that scale or unlock it totaly for ppl to solo it

I kinda like it as something I can quickly hop on and maybe do a little bit without waiting in queues or being tied to a dungeon run or anything. Good for my poor time availability.

But, my time in is also typically spent in the dead weekday hours. And yeah. It already feels a bit irrelevant at those times.

Challenge log is mostly simple enough to solo in a dead instance of Anemos.

It's certainly easier to get in and do whatever compared to Diadem (where I've only been once), but, it's hard to imagine it'll still pull much of a crowd after 5.0. Might be something you'll be able to find linkshells or other special groups for, but probably a little less pick-up-and-go.

I mean much can happen but I have a hard time believing that it will stay relevant after this expansion. The only saving point it has is the queue system for a whole datacenter instead of just one server like the Diadem had. But why should people still run it after they got their relic or the items they wanted and I honestly really hope that they dont keep it up by just throwing more and more stuff behind it. Content that is good will stay alive alone much longer and dont need constant new rewards..and if something needs that then imo its not good content and should just be left alone..but of course this will make it hard to do the relic after the expansion.

The one thing about Eureka is that it's Elemental and Ilvl capped, NOT level capped, it can be scaled easily to lvl80, what's needed to keep it relevant though is either new treasure or prizes that will keep people playing it in 5.x like current tomes, experience points or something else. Otherwise it will just die off and the buggest problem is lvl70 AF3 is tied to this. It would either need scaling down otherwise unless there's modifications to keep it relevant as it is still fun to play Eureka.

It will most likely get the diadem treatment come 5.0

Its decent now. When it first released though it was not so good.

There are tons of people in Eureka now as it is a good alternative to getting tomes.

Will Eureka remain relevant?

It's impossible to say. As it depends on what the Devs do with it (If anything)

Like, I can see some QoL changing coming with ShB, such as being able to purchase Crystalline Shards with Hydatos Crystals (Like is possible with the other 3 zones). Maybe an ilevel cap increase, so people are a bit stronger without Elemental gear (I.e. BA armour and Physeos weapon) as well as reducing the number of enemies needed to be killed in order to spawn NM's so that smaller instances don't feel like a waste of time...

But I'm not sure if they'd bother to actually put in new stuff for it. Leaving it as merely a place for people to farm out the SB Relics as well as grab some other knick-knacks (Mounts, minions, hairstyles, emotes, items like Strider's Boots etc)

I'd love to be able to unsync it, just go into Anemos EL60 ILvl 450 or whatever and just run around and splatter enemies. 500k damage, 700k damage. Just run into the Paz Cave and "take that" Wraith, "Take that and that. Yea remember when you one shotted me? Well how do you like it now" I don't think that would ever get old. Then move into Pagos..."Oh hello Dragon. Remember me?"

Doubt it will happen though. More likely they may up the Ilvl sync and lower enemy hp. Will be hard though as many of the higher end fates in all Eurekas (from Paz and Amerok to Skoll and Cassie) would be hard to do even then with just a handful of people. if it becomes like past relics where there might be a few people on each server working on the same step as you. I wouldn't be surprised to see less than 20 in eureka at a time. Unless they remove the delevel aspect that's asking for issues. As for BA, that might be lucky to get 1 clear a month, dare I say a year depending on how hard Eureka drops off.

Yes.

Relic weapons are a popular endgame for a lot of people. Lots of people still do the ARR relic. Lots of people still do the HW relic. Lots of people will still do the SB relic. Which means Eureka will remain relevant for glamour forever more.

The NM trains may be smaller, meaning you may need to actually prep them yourself. NMs scale down to the amount of people in the instance, so as long as you can get 65% of the people in the instance to come, you'll kill them comfortably. If you're alone in the instance, you're 100% of the instance and can solo them. You don't need to kill the special item NMs because you can get their items with crystals now and this same nerf will obviously be applied to Hydatos.

Baldesion Arsenal will either continue to be done occasionally or might be nerfed so it can. It's not important for anything besides the mount, so you only need to clear it once.

The reason Diadem is done less is because it's less accessible. Requiring multiple people to enter is a huge roadblock to the typical loner that keeps to themself collecting relic weapons. This is further exacerbated by not having a clear purpose like a relic weapon tied to it.

Wait didn’t yoshi p say that when 5.0 launches Eureka and Diadem would be removed and that their rewards would be obtainable in different ways? I could have swore I read about it.

Deleting content would be extraordinary after all the work they put into it.

I got my relic and immediatly glamoured over it xD
I will never set foot in there again

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Originally Posted by Yawnie

Wait didn’t yoshi p say that when 5.0 launches Eureka and Diadem would be removed and that their rewards would be obtainable in different ways? I could have swore I read about it.

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No sorry but you can't get your relic that way. You actually have to do the content.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

No sorry but you can't get your relic that way. You actually have to do the content.

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I got the relic weapon I wanted lol. Never said I wanted to get it another way.

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Originally Posted by Yawnie

I got the relic weapon I wanted lol. Never said I wanted to get it another way.

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Well they aren't going to remove it and I understand Diadem is getting a rework. I'm happy for you that you got the relic you want.

Hell, even diadem is somewhat relevant and there are groups who organize parties to go in every day. You just have to know where to look. Eureka will fare even better because of it's solo instance ability.

hopefully they butcher the place so its easy enough to solo
made 5 complete relics still have 3 i wanna make but not going back there till its gutted

Stated as if it were ever relevant.
Then again, if they make it easily soloable, or just let you just buy the relevant stuff for poetics - maybe I'd convince myself to finish Pagos in 5.2 or something?

Everyone who did Eureka as it was released was able to level in chunks.

If you're just now starting there as a beginner, you have to climb a whole 60 levels and that's very daunting.

Once that's done, farming NMs a bit in each eureka gets you a new relic quite quickly.

Speaking of Eureka, it's implied that the Eureka we visit is not the TRUE Eureka, but is the Island of Val named "Eureka" by the explorers. The real Eureka is beneath the Crystal Tower. I wouldn't be surprised if it were an MSQ dungeon (or an Expert Dungeon). I was bummed that at no point in Eureka does the actual theme song from FF3's Eureka ever play (despite there being a few riffs when you enter an NM fight or defeat an NM).

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Originally Posted by Jonnycbad

Speaking of Eureka, it's implied that the Eureka we visit is not the TRUE Eureka, but is the Island of Val named "Eureka" by the explorers. The real Eureka is beneath the Crystal Tower. I wouldn't be surprised if it were an MSQ dungeon (or an Expert Dungeon).

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The TRUE Eureka is actually [SPOILERS]

a Primal (Or rather, an Eikon because it existed back when the Allagans were around). The whole thing about the Island is that it was secretly set up specifically to drain the Aether from Eureka so that it would eventually die because fighting it was a no-go due to the fact that it's literally a Primal that exists purely to manufacture weapons of extreme power (That are, themselves, Primals, such as Odin's blade, Zantetsuken)

Then, due to misinformation, rumours where that there was a pile of weapons buried underneath the Crystal Tower. When in fact, the situation was that Eureka, a Primal capable of manufacturing weapons of great power, was buried under the Isle of Val with Aetherytes being set up in order to maintain a barrier to not only contain the Primal, but to drain it of its Aether.

Which is literally the entire point of the Baldesion Arsenal - Since Ejika ends up becoming tempered by Eureka (Partially because of his own issue with people like Krile having the Echo that aids them in their field, while he has needed to work hard for everything he has) and we have to go and save him (As well as ensure that Eureka cannot temper anyone else so as to undo the barrier that is killing it)

I feel like it works as a form of content at the very least.
One thing I've always kind of glared at about this game is how there's a billion level 50 dungeons and they're all pretty much equally as difficult as any of the higher level 4-player dungeons (maybe only excluding the very newest one sort of), but they give less exp outside of duty roulette...

I mean sure, you do want people learning how to play their job with all their abilities, but if people want to learn to play, they'll make the time to learn, and if they don't, they won't..

Evening out the exp gain on old content would really open things up in terms of variety on a horizontal level, while keeping the vertical cap structure firmly intact.

I'm not sure there's a good reason why they couldn't have Eureka give out normal game exp/tomes that are relevant to current content or at least like, 80% efficient for the completion of objectives.

At the very least there will probably be a discord of people doing it on a set day of the week like they do for Diadem.

Only did Anemos so far (lvl13 now) but I'm surprised that I really like it after everyone and their Lala said it's horrible. I get that XI vibe, people talk to each other and the overworld is finally dangerous. It's great and I hope they expand on it.

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Originally Posted by NefarioCall

I'm not sure there's a good reason why they couldn't have Eureka give out normal game exp/tomes that are relevant to current content or at least like, 80% efficient for the completion of objectives.

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Uhmmm, Eureka is the fastest way to cap your weekly tomes.

If you're going for standard relic completion then Eureka should be manageable. Other people will still be running the content (albeit even far less) but a small eureka instance generally has around 12-20 people. Since the NM's scale as long as you work together to spawn them it should be a non issue. Even then leveling off equal sized mobs isn't too bad but a nm psawn party will make life easier.

However if you're trying to do BA as well you may have issues. It'll prob stay in the realm of Diadem where people will actively use discord to make parties to go into it, but BA is an absolute hassle to organize since it relies on 56 for a normal clear run. Some groups do special ops where it ends up being only 32 people but those runs rely on everyone having full +2 gear and high dps.

TL;DR The demand for easy cool glamour will bring people back to Eureka but attempting content like BA will be much harder to do without joining a specific discord for your server.

Can’t speak for other data centre, but in EU light/Zodiark, it is quite dead If you just start doing it. You will need some luck to find a party to carry you for Fate farming. There are still player doing ARR and HW relic, but those are different story as those are mostly soloable or can easily run through it with DF