Come 5.0 White Mage will see Aero III removed, Dia being the upgraded Aero II and Glare the new Stone IV. Both new spells will be unaspected damage, not to mention Dia wont even have the defense debuff its usually known to have.
White Mage branches from Conjurer which back in 1.0 had all the elementals but was later split to only have the "nature" based trio of earth, wind and water. I get that White Mage is suppose to be light/holy based but losing all element type spells seems odd? Whats going to happen with this half of the elementals moving forward? Will we see them moved to a new job or will they just be forgotten?
Anyone else have any thoughts on this? I loved the nature aspect of White Mage.
Future of half the elementals?
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05-30-2019, 01:52 PMbass9020Future of half the elementals?
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05-30-2019, 02:00 PMKanitezz
It's still "White Magic" right? And doesn't light count as an element?
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05-30-2019, 02:02 PMDualbladeMy very limited understanding is that Light and Darkness do not count as elements in XIV, though this is one bit of lore I know very little about. I think there was actually a thread about it though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kanitezz
Anyways there is the possibility that WHM moving onto to being more about Light leaves Geomancer open for its previous elements. Time will tell. -
05-30-2019, 02:14 PMReimmiTime you say, funny i think them removing alot of the time aspects of AST could mean time mage is planned as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by Dualblade
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05-30-2019, 02:18 PMRowde
Gais... remove elemental spells from WHM so Geomancer can have them, amirite?
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05-30-2019, 06:56 PMEnkidohCNJ only had access to all elemental spells before Jobs were added (Fire, Ice and Lightning elemental spells were specifically removed from CNJ because Jobs were added - so as for CNJ to be a better fit for WHM, with the Fire, Ice and Lightning spells given to THM for BLM). There was no lore reason given at all for the change over - story wise it's as if those classes and Jobs had been that way all along.Quote:
Originally Posted by bass9020
Personally I would have rather CNJ actually have kept the elemental spells (although tweaked slightly) and instead lost it's healing/buffing spells which would be given instead to a 'priest' type class that WHM would instead have hypothetically upgraded from, with CNJ instead upgrading to GEO (1.0 THM likewise losing it's Astral polarity spells and given to the same class, with THM turning into a proper elemental 'wizard' type class that would have meant a much more 'FF traditional' BLM).
But alas...
Maybe in another Shard perhaps... -
05-30-2019, 07:31 PMRyuSaarva
well they have that blood lily, unholy holy, so I quess whitemages are corrupted now.
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05-30-2019, 07:50 PMRaiya
One thing that bugged me is that we never got any water spells in the game to cast, BLM get's Fire, Ice, Thunder, WHM get's Stone and Wind but no water cast spells these are exclusively NPC (Fluid Aura doesnt count its been an instant KB spell with no element for a long time). I dont mind WHM getting pure holy spells at higher levels but I do wish they'd give WHM some water spells or something.
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05-30-2019, 08:31 PMKageTokage
I was honestly expecting that they'd get some of the top tier spells like Tornado and Quake as new offensive CDs rather then axing their elements of nature in favor of light.
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05-30-2019, 10:21 PMNalienThat was my first thought, but they technically haven't removed them from White Mage yet, simply upgraded them to something entirely different. A Lv1 Conjurer still has Stone, still learns Aero, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rowde
Not to mention, if they were to remove them outright from White Mage, that would seriously mess with Red Mages lore... -
05-30-2019, 10:25 PMRodaIt does make sense since they removed a bunch of bard's support to give to dancer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rowde
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05-31-2019, 03:40 AMRaikai
If you'd ask me, I think it's groundwork for a Geomancer job, and they wouldn't want two jobs drawing for similar fountains of power.
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05-31-2019, 03:44 AMShougunI feel that NPC with the hammer is teasing us a new job (like some of how our other NPCs in the game have). I know they said don't dwell on it but I imagine that's just back up just in case they decide not to do it lol. I feel (just a feeling) that it's still something they're talking about at the office.Quote:
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I suppose it'll be really interesting to see if Tera (right?) has any theme of spells that could reveal more to us about her design. -
05-31-2019, 03:50 AMAmnmaatThis is the plan. It's obvious that the only mage that's left to be added is a nature mage. More precisely one that uses nature to attack, not to be confused with elemental mages like Black mage. So yes, out of all the classic FF mages Geomancer is the one that would control nature to its fullest extent. Possibly Green mage as well as a plant healer, healing by summong plants, trees, water; that would be an amazing healer design.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rowde
Geomancer as dps
Green mage as healer
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05-31-2019, 04:52 AMMelichoir
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Are we just talking about lore adn visuals, or the skills literally having the 'earth' element to them. Cause Elemental damage is moot at this stage, even before ShB, no? Far as I know, you dont deal more or less damage based on elements outside of Eureka. -
05-31-2019, 05:07 AMKalise
I think the issue with thinking that WHM's transition into Light aspected skills leading to something like Geomancer in the future is that for levels 1-70 WHM still uses Stone/Aero and 1-30 as Conjurer is literally all about Elementals.
Unless they retcon Conjurer and replace Stone 1-(Whatever number we're currently at... 5? 6? 20? Heck if I can keep track) and Aero 1-3 with more Light aspected skills, I'm not so convinced that they'd be bringing in a new job that focuses on using Stone, Air or Water elements.
In addition, they would have to adjust Red Mage too, as they also use Veraero and Verstone (Also, are getting that new skill, Veraero which isn't Veraero, but is Veraero. I honestly have no idea what was going through their head when they made the 2 new RDM skills literally have the same name as 2 of their existing skills >.>) and since they're based off of Black and White Magic not Black Magic and Geomancy, it would be odd if WHM had Stone/Aero retconned from them but RDM would still use them as White Magic skills.
I think maybe at this point the major reasoning for the transition away from Stone/Aero is partially due to where the expansion takes place (A world full of Light) and partially due to possibly running out of new ways to think about animating Stone and Aero skills >.>
My thoughts on the subject of WHM's skill types?
I don't know... Personally, I'd love to see Conjurer get more love in terms of having more elements to use. Water skills, Fire skills, Lightning skills, Ice skills... You know, all the naturally occuring elements that they should be able to wield. But at the same time, given that White Magic is heavily based around Light aspected skills it'd also be neat to have more development there, especially if it means learning more about the Amdapori...
In an ideal world... I'd love to see Conjurer be a separate job to White Mage... But alas, t'was not meant to be... -
05-31-2019, 05:13 AMNalienThey almost certainly just missed the II off the new spells, given the media tour build is still a WIP, would fit with Black Mage which has AoE spells as its tier II spells.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kalise
As far as lore goes, they could probably actually make Geomancer work with Stone/Aero/etc in the same way Red Mage has it. They've already tied Geomancer to Astrologian somewhat with the Stormblood quests, so having it also tie in to Conjurer wouldn't be too absurd. While White Mage goes for a more Holy route at higher levels, Geomancer could stick with the earth/etc themes, get Quake and Tornado. -
05-31-2019, 05:25 AMgriffinborn
Keep in mind that spells like Stone and Aero are traditional White Magic in Final Fantasy history. It did not originate from Conjurers. White Mages being in tune with nature's elements never stopped them from inventing Geomancer.
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05-31-2019, 05:56 AMMhaericNitpick: Fire, Thunder, Ice were given to Thaumaturges before jobs were released as part of the reworking of classes to give them more focused roles rather than the hodgepodge of skills they each had. Technically this change was in preparation for the eventual jobs, but it definitely happened about 3-4 months before jobs were a thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Enkidoh