Would you rather have had Male Viera or Hrothgar?

https://www.strawpoll.me/17981795

something that has been on my mind. if you don't have anything nice to say, then i suggest you don't say them at all.

i rather have Hrothgar...not interested in bunny boys.

Look at the % of people who may male miqo'te or elezen vs those who play roegadyn and you'll have a better picture of what people would prefer.

I'd personally have played male viera.

On which I'd "want" though. I'd want the one more people would actively play. Right now I'm convinced that Hrothgar would definitely have a much less active playerbase than male Viera would based on the play numbers for Male Miqote, Roe, Male Au Ra, Elezen etc. But we'll never really know for sure.

I hope Im wrong and Hrothgar have a very active playerbase, they look very cool.

personally would have chose Male viera
but i would have rather Hrothgar for the extra variety because the game did need a beastly race for males AND females

I don't like pitting one against the other, but if forced to choose then, yes, male Viera.

Neither. I would've preferred the effort that went into making them had been spent on adding more depth to existing races.

Hrothgar. I'd personally have preferred Viera not even being in the game, but that's because IMO they're just another Miqote, a human (elezen in this case) race with animal ears and tail, nothing really bestial about them.

I didn't want a beastly race, they could be huge and fierce without having an animal head. I preferred the 2/3 human paradigm.

I admit though that in the end they grew on me, I'm curious and hyped about male Hrothgar more than female Viera.

I think male Viera would've been more to my liking, they could've made them manly, fierce and aggressive if they wanted that. It would've been such a big thing being the first FF showing male Viera and making them attractive and interesting while you can see by what we have already that they would've been the more popular race over Hrothgars.

tl;dr: Yes, I'd had male Viera over male Hrothgar and I think they would've been more popular but I like Hrothgar too now.

Hrothgar. Both because they're cool as hell and the riots are a nice bonus.

No interest in Viera at all, so Hrothgar.

Plot twist, female Hrothgar. No males ones though. My dream, my rules.

The fact people even care about this blows my mind.

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Originally Posted by Sclair0

I'd personally have played male viera.

On which I'd "want" though. I'd want the one more people would actively play. Right now I'm convinced that Hrothgar would definitely have a much less active playerbase than male Viera would based on the play numbers for Male Miqote, Roe, Male Au Ra, Elezen etc. But we'll never really know for sure.

I hope Im wrong and Hrothgar have a very active playerbase, they look very cool.

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I plan to play as a Hrothgar. I've said it before that I would have loved to play as a buff tiger woman, but we'll see if that becomes a reality. Male will do until then, I'm not a stranger to playing male characters.

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Originally Posted by pclarkson85

The fact people even care about this blows my mind.

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I'm more impressed this "rigorous scientific strawpoll" will be cited for years as conclusive proof that we need yet another catboy-adjacent, when the poll is already overruled; the decision is already made.
owo whats dis

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Although these second and third points are in conflict, we nevertheless felt that it was in the best interests of our players to try and satisfy both demands. We understood that some players would be upset if they were unable to use their preferred gender, but even so, after much internal discussion, we decided this approach was the best way to improve the overall game experience.

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I want to be clear that this does not mean it will eventually happen, and that I cannot make any promises at this time. I hope you will understand and bear with us.

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Concerns have been anticipated, and the fallout has been considered acceptable in exchange for what the Hrothgar offer. This door is shut for so long it doesn't matter what anyone thinks now.

I've been wanting Viera ever since I've played the game and when I saw those concept designs. I knew we would get them eventually. I would've never guessed that they would've gender locked them

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Originally Posted by Taybat

I've been wanting Viera ever since I've played the game and when I saw those concept designs. I knew we would get them eventually. I would've never guessed that they would've gender locked them

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That said I am willing to except Hrothgar. But they NEED both genders as well. I agree a beast race is very much needed in the game

Where is the option of "I would have rather had one race two genders?" Be it Viera or Hrothgar. That's what I would have wanted.

Hrothgar, definitely. At least they're a unique race instead of another not-Hyur with ears, even if they share skeletons with Roes. That said, male Viera would've definitely been more popular, even when the players can't agree on a general look for them (short and cute vs tall and beautiful vs tall and manly).

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Originally Posted by van_arn

I'm more impressed this "rigorous scientific strawpoll" will be cited for years as conclusive proof that we need yet another catboy-adjacent, when the poll is already overruled; the decision is already made.

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It actually won't, and there's an even more in-depth poll about ShB anticipation regarding the missing genders. Even taking into concern the limited data from the Forum users (and reddit since that one was shared there as well), a decent sample size is enough to gauge interest. And it doesn't need to be a "majority" of the players, just "enough" to justify the expenses (in the very same live letter you're quoting, Yoshi even says:

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Character creation is about providing players with options, and while there’s no telling how many people will utilize these options, we also believe that there is value simply in having them exist—in empowering people to fill the world with greater variety.

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Originally Posted by van_arn

Concerns have been anticipated, and the fallout has been considered acceptable in exchange for what the Hrothgar offer. This door is shut for so long it doesn't matter what anyone thinks now.

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You have interpreted Yoshi's words to mean a final "no" when it really is a non-commital non-answer.

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As you play through Shadowbringers, you’ll learn that both male Viera and female Hrothgar exist. While you won’t meet any in person, if we developers can find a way to address the various problems which are preventing us from implementing them, then perhaps someday you’ll be able to see them for yourself. I want to be clear that this does not mean it will eventually happen, and that I cannot make any promises at this time. I hope you will understand and bear with us.

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Right before the part you bolded, even. It's not saying yes, but the door is not "shut" so we can still show our support.

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Originally Posted by WhiteArchmage

It actually won't, and there's an even more in-depth poll about ShB anticipation regarding the missing genders. Even taking into concern the limited data from the Forum users (and reddit since that one was shared there as well), a decent sample size is enough to gauge interest. And it doesn't need to be a "majority" of the players, just "enough" to justify the expenses (in the very same live letter you're quoting, Yoshi even says:






You have interpreted Yoshi's words to mean a final "no" when it really is a non-commital non-answer.



Right before the part you bolded, even. It's not saying yes, but the door is not "shut" so we can still show our support.

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You're welcome to show your support. But you're tilting at windmills until they solve the problems preventing them from implementing additional races.

Considering the problems are at a very deep level both forwards and backwards in time, considering how long these have been under development (all the way back to blufever for first sighting of Hrothgar) you're wasting your energy on a black hole of nothing.

This is not something you're going to see in Shadowbringers; the timelines cannot match up.

And all of this over freaking race glamour.

Personally, Viera. But, and this is a big but. With everything how it is, I would have preferred the implementation of a full gendered Hrothgar/Viera first and then the other in 6.0 or less. I'm not so keen on genderlocks - less so when caused by issues regarding implementation and resources being stretched thin.

So, Viera for my own desire for aesthetics and enjoyment of the race. Hrothgar for what it brings to the table.

Contrary to belief; in other threads where I show my Viera support; my impatience is for an 'straight forward answer of 'yes' and 'no' rather than them being implemented post haste.

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Originally Posted by van_arn

You're welcome to show your support. But you're tilting at windmills until they solve the problems preventing them from implementing additional races.

Considering the problems are at a very deep level both forwards and backwards in time, considering how long these have been under development (all the way back to blufever for first sighting of Hrothgar) you're wasting your energy on a black hole of nothing.

This is not something you're going to see in Shadowbringers; the timelines cannot match up.

And all of this over freaking race glamour.

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We're aware they're not going to be in Shadowbringers. In case they get implemented, the earliest we can hope for is 6.0 if they start developing them by 5.1. You're talking to the wrong people if you think we want them post-haste (ok, post-haste at the expense of the dev team's health and other content).

I mean, part of the carrot for Eureka were FFXI outfits. Glamour is the true end-game, yo.

My response:

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I really don't think I could decide for one against the other. They both deserve a place imo.

Well to humor this thread since I would rather have both for people.

I'll go with Hrothgar since they add something really unique to the game.

I would have preferred their resources went towards more customization options for existing races.

I don't really care which race we got, I just want a full race with both males and females. (and no you can't just call the male ronso "male viera" and slap on a weird dimorphism excuse, comparable designs only.)

Though, like I've said many times before, the best way of doing that would've been adding hrothgar male and female first, having viera be a beast tribe, and then opening up viera for 6.0.
But of course, too late for that now. :T

I would have preferred male Viera this time around so I could have one complete race, and then a complete Hrothgar race for 6.0.

I rather have a padjal or snakegirl

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Originally Posted by WhiteArchmage

a decent sample size is enough to gauge interest.

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A large sample size alone isn't enough to make something a valid sample. Accounting for WHERE that sample is from is important.

Neither if it meant more customization for our current races.

Hrothgar, personally. I'll admit I don't have the nostalgia/affection/etc for Viera, but also in terms of design the majority of the races are all fairly human, so I appreciate the different sort of variety hrothgar provide. I would've loved for a full M/F Hrothgar set, under the hope that the ladies would have been beefy and also have proper big cat faces.

Hrothgar. Hands down. I'm very excited for it.

I'd rather we not have to choose. The idea of us only being able to have one instead of both is unnerving. And I also lay that on SE for making two one-gender races in the first place.

For playing - male Vieras in case them looking like their HW concept or how Yoshida described them. Big bulky men aren't my cup of tea. But if there existed female Hroths... eh... /sigh

As available option? Both tbh, because they please different auditory. mVieras (again, in case of HW concept) fill niche "elegant, fierce, handsome" somewhere between Elezens, Auri and Miqo'te probably taking best parts of them (like fViera do right now). And looking and male Miqo'te populairty, they could be very popular as well. Hroths fill more Roe niche cause of their size, but also beastful one, which we didn't really have before, but now we don't have beasful females. So really... if it's ever will be possible, I would like to see both races in "complete shape", if I can name it like this.

Rather have hrothgar not interested in bunny boys either.

Male Viera, I've wanted to see one since 2006 but hopefully we'll have both down the line - I'm crossing my fingers.

I'd have preferred a fully fleshed out Hrothgar race over Viera honestly, but I've been wanting a proper beast race for ages now.

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Originally Posted by Fredco191

Neither if it meant more customization for our current races.

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This is my thoughts as well, if it was a legitimate option. The nice part about everybody getting new face types, accents, hairstyles, etc. would be that it's new features everybody can utilize on their existing characters and not only just something new for the subset that are willing to jump ship to the new race(s).

But since this particular question is either/or, I'd rather have Hrothgar. Viera are just another 90%-mostly Hyur blessed with long hair options with different ears. Pretty sure even the devs themselves (or at least Yoshi-P) said as much which is why they wanted to add beastly.

It really is a tough a decision. I had to really think about it before replying to this thread based on the options given, which is essentially what Yoshi and the devs were challenged with. From my own perspective I know that the demand for the Viera was quite high, and I think there would be a lesser amount of people upset that there is no beastly race opposed to no male Viera.

However, I also have to take into account that the culture in Japan is much different than it is here in the west. I don't speak Japanese so I don't know what kind of homogenous feedback they have been receiving from their DCs close to home base other than the few kind enough to spend their time translating some of the things being said which is far fewer than what I read day to day here. From what I have read though, I have come to the understanding that they are less upset than the English speaking playerbase.

It is easy for me to say that based on the player demand here in the west, it would only make sense that they forego the beastly race option in favor of the male Viera, but there is just too much that I don't know for certain, and feedback they see that I don't. My own personal opinion is that we already have so many 'pretty' players both female and male, and see a need for more variety in this regard. This leads me to the question of would players still accept male Viera if they weren't pretty, and instead more beastly like the Hrothgar? Where at best, players could only make them dapper like the recent pic we got with the Hrothgar in glasses, and not pretty like their female counterparts?