Add raid tokens to currency tab

It is a form of currency as you have to save x amount of tokens to exchange for gear etc. I tend to horde tokens (yes I know) for glam items etc and I save up for the mounts etc, which means that they are taking up slots for quite a while. It would Def help my inventory management if these were put into the currency tab ☺️

Primal totems, yes. Raid currencies, no.

Reason being that NM raid items should be reworked to begin with into a single token of which you can get 1 per floor per week. Then be able to spend the same number of tokens as you would with the current system to get whatever gear pieces you want. It would allow people to get 1 big upgrade week 1 in the form of a chest piece, or 2-4 smaller upgrades in one week. Instead of need 4 weeks plus some rng to get a chest.

I don't mind the raid token too much but please let me add my primal Tokens!

I assume they remain as items so they can be rolled on as loot.

It would be nice if they could be converted to currency afterwards (could say you hand them in to Rowena for credit), though I'm guessing they would need to rearrange how the items are arranged in the shop - grouped by currency instead of DoW/DoM.

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Originally Posted by CorbinDallas

Primal totems, yes. Raid currencies, no.

Reason being that NM raid items should be reworked to begin with into a single token of which you can get 1 per floor per week. Then be able to spend the same number of tokens as you would with the current system to get whatever gear pieces you want. It would allow people to get 1 big upgrade week 1 in the form of a chest piece, or 2-4 smaller upgrades in one week. Instead of need 4 weeks plus some rng to get a chest.

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They will never do this purely because that RNG aspects keeps people queuing. If you're practically guaranteed a drop from each floor, and are then able to get at least one piece each week. That means not only are you queuing less, but will gear significantly faster... which will make normal mode irrelevant all the more quickly.

Yes the primal tokens need to be added to currencies as they take up alot of inventory space.

Totems,books,24 man coins.

while we are at it add primal mats available for purchase with Primal totems

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

They will never do this purely because that RNG aspects keeps people queuing. If you're practically guaranteed a drop from each floor, and are then able to get at least one piece each week. That means not only are you queuing less, but will gear significantly faster... which will make normal mode irrelevant all the more quickly.

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I disagree, normal raid roulette exists and frequently puts people in current raid tiers.

I think some of it is a restriction with how the game handles buying items with currency, versus trading them for tokens.

Shop tabs where you buy items only take one currency at a time, but a trading tab (like the Wondrous Sundries where you trade in your set of raid tokens) can take a broad mix of items.

So firstly it would cause an issue because you can't trade three different currency coins into the one purchase any more.

Also, unless they greatly simplified the number of currencies, every one might need its own tab in the shop. There'd be a page for Gordian headgear (lens currency), then body gear (shaft currency), and so on. More categories needed per raid, and maybe separate tabs for every item-converted-to-currency in the Sundries trade section.

So, assuming I've guessed it right at least, it's probably not as simple as it seems like it should be.

Savage books should definitely have their own currency sections, though they'd probably need to be divided out by expansion.

I like this idea, hope it happens for any raid item not obtained via treasure chest.

Or you know, they could start by letting us use that "key items" tab more liberally. A whole page of potential inventory space taken up by 2 or 3 items is reeeeeeeal efficient.

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Originally Posted by CorbinDallas

Primal totems, yes. Raid currencies, no.

Reason being that NM raid items should be reworked to begin with into a single token of which you can get 1 per floor per week. Then be able to spend the same number of tokens as you would with the current system to get whatever gear pieces you want. It would allow people to get 1 big upgrade week 1 in the form of a chest piece, or 2-4 smaller upgrades in one week. Instead of need 4 weeks plus some rng to get a chest.

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So, if I understand, you want there to be one raid token that you can get per floor per week. So no distinction in raid tokens, which you then spend like usual to get gear.

What do you do when they unlock the weekly limit and everyone just grinds the most recent floor?

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Originally Posted by Melichoir

So, if I understand, you want there to be one raid token that you can get per floor per week. So no distinction in raid tokens, which you then spend like usual to get gear.

What do you do when they unlock the weekly limit and everyone just grinds the most recent floor?

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You don't care either way and grind the easiest floor. By the time they unlock the loot it's largely irrelevant and mainly used for alternate jobs anyway, and anyone needing a particular floor for quest will get it done via the roulette filling their queue. It's a win win.

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Originally Posted by CorbinDallas

You don't care either way and grind the easiest floor. By the time they unlock the loot it's largely irrelevant and mainly used for alternate jobs anyway, and anyone needing a particular floor for quest will get it done via the roulette filling their queue. It's a win win.

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There would be a point, because Gear dropped in the most recent raid has some level of usefulness. The problem Im seeing is your decentivizing running the other floors, which makes that content more irrelevant much more quickly. Also, much as a pain it can be, forcing players to play all floors probably reduces burn out. Youre forcing variety. People may complain about having to run the old stuff, but I feel the complaints will get substantially worse if they just grind one floor repeatedly. The argument would become "Well I shouldnt have to grind this one floor over and over if you guys just designed everything better!" with the typical not realizing the difficulties are pretty close overall.

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Originally Posted by Melichoir

There would be a point, because Gear dropped in the most recent raid has some level of usefulness. The problem Im seeing is your decentivizing running the other floors, which makes that content more irrelevant much more quickly. Also, much as a pain it can be, forcing players to play all floors probably reduces burn out. Youre forcing variety. People may complain about having to run the old stuff, but I feel the complaints will get substantially worse if they just grind one floor repeatedly. The argument would become "Well I shouldnt have to grind this one floor over and over if you guys just designed everything better!" with the typical not realizing the difficulties are pretty close overall.

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Implying you couldn't just grind out which floor you wanted to whenever you want.

Like I said, NM raid roulette exists. I can queue for Midas and have a similar queue time as if I was queueing for Alphascape. It's a moot point.

Edit - I forgot, but recently they've been putting orchestrion rolls in NM chests, so there's your incentive to run more than one fight.

I would also like it to have 24-man, savage and extreme primal currencies in the currency tab instead of as items in my inventory. My chocobo saddlebag wouldn't be so full anymore.
Items from normal mode raids could become key items maybe if they can't make them a currency because you can roll on them. Or change the system how we get them, because it's annoying anyway.

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Originally Posted by CorbinDallas

Implying you couldn't just grind out which floor you wanted to whenever you want.

Like I said, NM raid roulette exists. I can queue for Midas and have a similar queue time as if I was queueing for Alphascape. It's a moot point.

Edit - I forgot, but recently they've been putting orchestrion rolls in NM chests, so there's your incentive to run more than one fight.

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Err I meant that people tend to shift to practicality. People arent running Midas because its literally the previous xpac, and there is no benefit from it.

When content is still relatively current and the weekly limit is unlocked, people will default to practical- whats the quickest method of farming the token along with getting best gear. So, in our current case, itd be OM. Also brings up another issue. If you unlock the weekly limit per week, why not farm up on Lighthouse tokens and just straight by OM gear when it comes out. Itll be the same token if I understood you right. If they dont do the unlock, youre slowing down players who are behind, and you can still horde tokens as long as you do it per week.

I guess making it one token for all just doesnt make sense.

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Originally Posted by CorbinDallas

You don't care either way and grind the easiest floor. By the time they unlock the loot it's largely irrelevant and mainly used for alternate jobs anyway, and anyone needing a particular floor for quest will get it done via the roulette filling their queue. It's a win win.

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I fairly certain it's just an artificial way to keep people from gearing up too fast early on, at least that tends to be what they claim. Is it annoying and sometimes unfair? For sure. But in the grand scheme of things it's there to keep people playing and make sure we don't max out in a couple of weeks. Although, for me personally, I rarely do NMs beyond the first couple of weeks so I can't say their strategy is actually effective. But I also can't say for sure if the system was different that my opinion of running NMs would change. :shrug:

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Originally Posted by whiskeybravo

I fairly certain it's just an artificial way to keep people from gearing up too fast early on, at least that tends to be what they claim. Is it annoying and sometimes unfair? For sure. But in the grand scheme of things it's there to keep people playing and make sure we don't max out in a couple of weeks. Although, for me personally, I rarely do NMs beyond the first couple of weeks so I can't say their strategy is actually effective. But I also can't say for sure if the system was different that my opinion of running NMs would change. :shrug:

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But you would still gear at exactly the same pace because you need the same number of tokens overall. The only difference would be that you would actually get to have more choice per week, so instead of waiting a mandatory 4 weeks for a chest piece, you could get it in 1 at the cost of losing out on multiple upgrades, e.g. accessories.

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Originally Posted by CorbinDallas

I disagree, normal raid roulette exists and frequently puts people in current raid tiers.

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Have you queued into any of the old raids directly? I helped a friend a few months back get her alt through Alex. Despite going on tank, we were waiting 20 minutes. She waited over an hour on, I believe A9-10. This was during the day, by the way. I imagine the current system exists to avoid this happening a month into say, Alphascape normal's release.

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Originally Posted by CorbinDallas

But you would still gear at exactly the same pace because you need the same number of tokens overall. The only difference would be that you would actually get to have more choice per week, so instead of waiting a mandatory 4 weeks for a chest piece, you could get it in 1 at the cost of losing out on multiple upgrades, e.g. accessories.

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I wouldn't consider it more choices per week, just less runs per week overall. Instead of having to run 10 times to get a bolt or whatever your looking for, it's one and done/get your token and gtfo - and that's the specific issue SE is trying to avoid.

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Originally Posted by whiskeybravo

Or you know, they could start by letting us use that "key items" tab more liberally. A whole page of potential inventory space taken up by 2 or 3 items is reeeeeeeal efficient.

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You mean you never needed all 105 slots before? HA yeah I don't think I've seen over 10 slots used. This would be the better place to put these items.. If not that then convert 70 slots to normal inventory space. 35 is still more than enough for "key" items.