I've unlocked all 3 raids - Crystal, Pirate thingy, and the new one...
But when I do roulette ONLY crystal tower pops, regardless of what job I use to queue with (obviously it's the only one that will pop if the job is under level 60).
I've not completed the Pirate one - is that why it never pops?
But I have completed the new one.
Am I just getting Crystal Tower so much because that location will be used for the start of 5.0 so people are all trying to run it... or is this because I have to particular select the Pirate one and complete it before it will show... I got Crystal Tower in the roulette BEFORE I had completed it - and finished the last two parts 'randomly', but I did manually select the first part of it...
How exactly does Alliance Raid roullette work?
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05-06-2019, 04:45 AMMakedaHow exactly does Alliance Raid roullette work?
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05-06-2019, 04:47 AMAxlStream
My guess is that it autofills people with players actively choosing the duties. Then again, leveling roulette did pit like 4 level 60+ jobs in Sastacha more than once... So who knows.
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05-06-2019, 05:10 AMGemina
If there is even one player out of the 24 that does not qualify for Void Ark and/or Rabanastre, then off to Crystal Tower you go.
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05-06-2019, 05:13 AMTheMightyMollusk
People remove gear to lower their ilvl so they can get their easy roulette tomes from Crystal Tower instead of the higher-level stuff.
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05-06-2019, 05:35 AMCaptainLagbeard
It limits what raids you can get based on what people in the queue qualify for with character and item level.
People can cheese it by equipping lower level gear to force it to ARR raids, or even just Labyrinth of the Ancients, and if anyone is doing the roulette for XP, it automatically disqualifies the SB raids. -
05-06-2019, 06:07 AMBrightamethystPretty much this. There are just plain more people queuing, either directly or indirectly, for lower level content at any given time. If even one person is under 60 then all 23 other people are forced into CT/ST/WoD along with them. The odds of all 24 people being level 60+ or 70 are fairly low.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gemina
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05-06-2019, 06:17 AMJennah
You used to be a lot more likely to get the level 70 ones if you queued up on a Tuesday; though removing the loot-lock on Orbonne and its upgrade coin has put a stop to that.
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05-06-2019, 06:20 AMgriffinbornOh lawd. I've never heard this before but I believe it.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk
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05-06-2019, 06:37 AMAnimaAnimusSo do you only need to do this when you hit the actual queue button or do you need to stay in nearly no gear and then just put it back on when you enter....asking for a friendQuote:
Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk
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05-06-2019, 06:53 AMBrightamethystI did this while light farming for my DRG relic a while back. Since I was doing alliance roulette for tomes anyway, may as well get some guaranteed light while I'm at it.Quote:
Originally Posted by griffinborn
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05-06-2019, 06:55 AMReimmi
it gets real old running into the same one for the roulette, but meh, not much they can realistically do about people cheesing it
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05-06-2019, 08:22 AMHyoMinParkBetween people doing it in preparation for 5.0, you only need to unlock one Alliance raid to unlock the roulette. Most people just unlock Labyrinth of the Ancients and no others, so that’s why it tends to pop more often than any of the other ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Makeda
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05-06-2019, 08:30 AMMakeda
So from reading the responses I gather that essentially I'm seeing the very bad end of random. The odds of getting something other than Crystal are stacked against me due to unlocking patterns and iLevel manipulation of everyone - and I've just been unlucky enough to have never seen the lower chance options pop.
It could happen, but it hasn't yet.
I almost feel like my mistake was unlocking Crystal Tower... If I'd not unlocked it, I'd only see the other two - I'd likely have vastly long queue times, but at least I'd see them without given up the roulette bonuses.
That kind of reminds me of the mount roulette until the recent patch. From 2013 until just a few months ago I never used the mount roulette because I had unlocked the behometh mount... and I hated that mount... and there was no way to avoid it... so I always just used only one other mount that was at least small. I had stacks of mounts on my characters that I didn't even know I had, and avoided mount runs/farming/shop; due to my efforts to avoid the behometh... O.o I just found one 'ok and graphically small' mount and ignored the mount system from then forward until this new patch...
Now I just have to hope that sometimes after the 24-person of 5.x comes out, they give us a way to exclude some older raids... so I can at least see the others without making it a near-0-XP low loot run... -
05-06-2019, 08:32 AMVahlnir
It only takes 1 person to queue for them to drag 23 other people along. I've had days, if not weeks, of the same raid through Alliance Raid roulette before so it can be painful seeing the same lvl 50 or 60 raid repeatedly. It's working as intended though.
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05-06-2019, 08:48 AMvan_arnYou need to clear one to unlock the second, and at that point the roulette opensQuote:
Originally Posted by HyoMinPark
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05-06-2019, 09:07 AMHyoMinParkI know. When I say "unlock", I'm implying that you actually clear it first. Unlike other roulettes that need at least 2 duties, Alliance Roulette only needs one. And people don't bother going beyond LotA because "it's easy EXP". But it's boring as sin.Quote:
Originally Posted by van_arn
From what I remember on my alt, I didn't have to unlock ST to unlock the Roulette. I did LotA normally and then immediately did the Roulette afterwards on her. No ST needed. -
05-06-2019, 09:35 AMGemina
I'm not sure what can be done about level 70 lazies from deliberately dropping their ilv so they won't get the more recent raids. Since I run 24-man more than any other content, what I have been seeing a lot lately are KOs and full on wipes in Crystal Tower. This hasn't happened in Rabanastre or Ridoranna for quite some time, but it's happening in CT. Only in Orbonne is vote abandon being proceeded with thanks to Cid's multitude of mechanics and players killing their comrades when they don't know what to do.
A LoTA run I had the other night was just a disaster. The red rectangle main aggro indicator was never on a tank, and Phlegethon got to a phase of AoE telegraphs I've never seen before because it was taking so long to kill him. Same with Xande, and Cloud of Darkness' big beam attack is one-shotting players again.
Basically, Crystal Tower is becoming a schitefest and these players are eventually going to start wondering if dropping their ilv is even worth it, because the easy clears are no longer a guarantee. If I was SE, I'd just grab some popcorn and kick my heels up. -
05-06-2019, 09:38 AMVahlnirSo...avoid Alliance Raid Roulette. Got it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gemina
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05-06-2019, 09:47 AMHyoMinParkThe only way is enforcing a minimum item level—probably one that corresponds with the item level of the last raid added to the Roulette, or something like:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gemina
- Level 50 and Item Level i90 (World of Darkness item level)
- Level 60 and Item Level i235 (Dun Scaith item level)
- Level 70 and Item Level i365 (Orbonne Monastery item level)
And it scales based on what level you queue into it with (e.g., queue in with a level 65 job, you need to meet the level 60 requirements).
Honestly, wipes in CT aren’t uncommon. Lots of people don’t stand on the pads for LotA’s last boss during Ancient Flare and wipe the raid. WoD, I’ve wiped on every boss in there well after its period of relevancy: Angry Mango wipes are not surprising, and I still see them to this day...4 years later...with no new players in the instance...Quote:
Originally Posted by Gemina
Back in HW, you’d see a lot of deaths to the Bone Dragon because people would ignore the skeletons (because lol what are mechanics). But since they nerfed the amount the skeletons do when they blow up, it only really happens to the babies that queue in wearing their AF gear. -
05-06-2019, 09:59 AMGeminaWell... you'd never try use roulette to get a specific raid anyway. Since a lot of players are still after pennies from the Ivalice raids, it is not hard to get into any of them when queueing for them specifically. The HW raids are a different story. I sat in a queue for over an hour trying to get a proto ultima ring for my SAM I am leveling from Dun Scath. But if you are after the exp and tome bonus, you either have to pretty much accept that it's going to be in one of CT raids, or do something different.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vahlnir
But yeah, I do believe this is temporary if the CT schitefest continues. SE will likely see the roulette as "working as intended". -
05-06-2019, 10:03 AMVahlnirI seem to get LotA more than any other raid so I guess it comes down to random being random. When I get an Ivalice raid on rare occasion I'm actually relieved and excited. I haven't been playing much lately but it would appear that it's to my benefit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gemina
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05-06-2019, 02:43 PMGeminaAny ilv enforcement would just have players use the lowest they can go. So in this case, we would see more roulettes putting us in WoD instead of LoTA. I think they would have to lift the ilv requirement entirely to actually intervene players from doing this. They would then have to exclude the Invalice raids from the roulette until we get a new 24-man. It's a possibility. You wouldn't hear any complaints from me if they did do this.Quote:
Originally Posted by HyoMinPark
Oh I know. I'm not saying that wipes don't happen in CT, or that they are uncommon. However, what I am saying is that I am seeing things happen in there that I've never encountered before. When I saw telegraphs from Xande and Phlegethon that probably haven't made an appearance since these raids were relevant, I was taken aback a bit. The wipes that happen for not so uncommon reasons have also increased in frequency. I am super tolerant and don't mind running CT over and over again, but even I have my limit with wipes when I can tell players just don't care. I know if I'm losing patience to the point I no longer care to run the roulette, many others have to be feeling that way as well. Just a hunch though.Quote:
Honestly, wipes in CT aren’t uncommon. Lots of people don’t stand on the pads for LotA’s last boss during Ancient Flare and wipe the raid. WoD, I’ve wiped on every boss in there well after its period of relevancy: Angry Mango wipes are not surprising, and I still see them to this day...4 years later...with no new players in the instance...
Back in HW, you’d see a lot of deaths to the Bone Dragon because people would ignore the skeletons (because lol what are mechanics). But since they nerfed the amount the skeletons do when they blow up, it only really happens to the babies that queue in wearing their AF gear.
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05-06-2019, 05:28 PMHalivelWell... a roulette is a roulette, after all. You don't use it for taking specific dungeon or, at least, it's not how they supposed to work. They are needable mostly for making old content relevant, though sometimes you can end up with four 70 lvl guys in Sastasha.Quote:
Originally Posted by Makeda
If you need some separate raid - you can queue there outside of roulette with checking few options (up to 5), and it's probably will not be much longer than queueing in roulette, since you can end up with those, who stayed in queue excactly for roulette. But in case with daily bonuses, I'm afraid, we will deal with this randomizer for an eternety. Can't say if it's bad or not. -
05-06-2019, 05:51 PMRufalus
Crucially nobody needs the Shadows of Mhach series for anything. A lot of new players catch up to lv70 stuff without realising they missed unlocking a lv60 raid. The Ivalice stuff may be the same when it's no longer current. Once raids become outdated aside from some glams and minions that only a few people are still actively seeking, it's quite hard to get a full alliance in there. If the roulette sucks you can try queuing for a specific duty you want to clear and waiting a while. If that's no good you can also set the PF to a specific raid and it will open recruitment for party A-B-C for you; can even do them undersize unsynced if there's at least 1 person in each party, though I'd recommend a minimum of 6 people for a lv60 alliance raid so it doesn't take forever and you pass dps checks.
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05-06-2019, 06:26 PMMistakeNotExperiences differ. Yesterday I had an unusually smooth run of World of Darkness. Not a single wipe, which is otherwise not unusual in there, and no real problems at all going through it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gemina
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05-06-2019, 08:13 PMHyoMinParkI think you misunderstood - they would have to meet both level and item level requirements. So, if a player queues into the Roulette as a level 65 job, and they have every alliance raid unlocked, they need to meet the item level requirement for the highest raid they can currently do, which would be Dun Scaith. If they tried to go below i235, the Roulette would not let them queue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gemina
I don't see how that corresponds with "more WoD runs" unless we're talking about a player that is level 51-59 (or one that has never unlocked anything past the CT Raids). In which case, you literally can't get anything higher than WoD until you're level 60 and unlock the Mhach raids. That being said, WoD is at least better than LotA and ST. I'd take it any day.
I've seen Phelgethon's bacon floor mechanic as recent as this expansion. So I'm not really that surprised.Quote:
Oh I know. I'm not saying that wipes don't happen in CT, or that they are uncommon. However, what I am saying is that I am seeing things happen in there that I've never encountered before. When I saw telegraphs from Xande and Phlegethon that probably haven't made an appearance since these raids were relevant, I was taken aback a bit. The wipes that happen for not so uncommon reasons have also increased in frequency. I am super tolerant and don't mind running CT over and over again, but even I have my limit with wipes when I can tell players just don't care. I know if I'm losing patience to the point I no longer care to run the roulette, many others have to be feeling that way as well. Just a hunch though.
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05-06-2019, 09:17 PMSeraphor
Don't forget that most roulette runs fill in the gaps of a non roulette run.
If there's someone queuing for Void Arc, and you're not artificially lowering you ilvl, you'll likely end up doing Void Arc.
The biggest factor is likely that there just aren't many people doing those higher level raids atm.
There's a load of people just doing Crystal Tower for the first time because of Shadowbringers, and a load of relatively new players who probably haven't reached the end of HW yet. -
05-06-2019, 09:33 PMSenorPattyI used to do this for any brand new raid, 24man or otherwise because I would clear and get my rewards on reset day, meaning i was locked out of gear and token rolls. Rather than take the chance to end up in the newest raid the next day, I would lower my ilvl just below the recent one.Quote:
Originally Posted by griffinborn
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05-06-2019, 11:16 PMlegione
i reapet myself ,make crystal tower great again and force new and old players to run it at the min ilvl required to clear it, let people enjoy lota for what it really was.
ciao