first update of patch week

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03-05-2012, 04:11 PM
darkstarpoet1

first update of patch week

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/293

just giving a heads up it's here
03-05-2012, 04:12 PM
Masamune1004

Ya beat me to it :p

What I find most interesting is the ability to equip actions from two other classes instead of one. Looks like BLM and WHM won't be missing Chameleon.
03-05-2012, 04:14 PM
SirOleas

It's interesting stuff for sure.
Hopefully we get more soon.
03-05-2012, 04:15 PM
Koku

This... is going to be an awesome patch.
03-05-2012, 04:16 PM
darkstarpoet1

Quote:

Originally Posted by Masamune1004

Ya beat me to it :p

What I find most interesting is the ability to equip actions from two other classes instead of one. Looks like BLM and WHM won't be missing Chameleon.

nah and blm will keep second wind, whm will get to keep sentinel, and they both lose invigorate.
03-05-2012, 04:20 PM
Masamune1004

Oops, I guess WHM won't have Chameleon, hope they don't need it.
03-05-2012, 04:23 PM
Magnesium02

No Sentinel for Monk, Dragoon, Bard or Black Mage
03-05-2012, 04:25 PM
Estellios

No raising for DD-focused classes either! But it looks like everyone has a means to, at minimum, self-heal.

Edit: Now that we know that the cross-class abilities are limited, it's making sense how classes will be more useful in some situations.
03-05-2012, 04:25 PM
Yves

This makes me happy in pants.
03-05-2012, 04:26 PM
Masamune1004

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magnesium02

No Sentinel for Monk, Dragoon, Bard or Black Mage

Everyone's gonna have to gather around the BLM for Sacred Prism'd Sanguine Rite I guess, or just use classes, since they should still be a viable choice.
03-05-2012, 04:26 PM
neorei

hmmmm this will make fights interesting now. and now people will have to decide which is best for certain situations.
03-05-2012, 04:28 PM
Stanislaw

Quote:

Originally Posted by Masamune1004

Everyone's gonna have to gather around the BLM for Sacred Prism'd Sanguine Rite I guess, or just use classes, since they should still be a viable choice.

BLM won't have access to Sacred Prism.
03-05-2012, 04:29 PM
Masamune1004

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* Class-specific gear, which is also scheduled to be introduced in the future, cannot be equipped by job-switched characters.

Another interesting tidbit I noticed, hope this eases the fear that jobs will replace classes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stanislaw

BLM won't have access to Sacred Prism.

That's true, maybe ifrit won't be a job fight then, how unfortunate.
03-05-2012, 04:29 PM
darkstarpoet1

Quote:

Originally Posted by Masamune1004

Everyone's gonna have to gather around the BLM for Sacred Prism'd Sanguine Rite I guess, or just use classes, since they should still be a viable choice.

no more sacred prism either since it's con ability and blm can't use it.

and no sanguine rite for whm trying to use it with their sacred prism. looks like a thm will have to be in party to use that one one the group.
03-05-2012, 04:32 PM
Xeonerable

hmmm... the jobs thing seems okay... gonna have to wait and try it out. I just hope SE starts pumping out more information about the patch and it hopefully comes out soon this week. Was hoping to get some playtime on the new update before spring break is over. :s
03-05-2012, 04:33 PM
darkstarpoet1

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xeonerable

hmmm... the jobs thing seems okay... gonna have to wait and try it out. I just hope SE starts pumping out more information about the patch and it hopefully comes out soon this week. Was hoping to get some playtime on the new update before spring break is over. :s

the last thing i heard was friday the 9th on the patch itself.
03-05-2012, 04:35 PM
Stanislaw

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

and no sanguine rite for whm trying to use it with their sacred prism. looks like a thm will have to be in party to use that one one the group.

BRD can do it, although it won't have the damage reduction since that's a THM trait.
03-05-2012, 04:39 PM
Xelsiar

PLD using Curaga ^.^ Yes please.
03-05-2012, 04:39 PM
Masamune1004

Unless they nerf Hellfire, I'm thinking it might be best for DD's to go as classes since they need to be self-sufficient with heals and all.
03-05-2012, 04:40 PM
darkstarpoet1

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stanislaw

BRD can do it, although it won't have the damage reduction since that's a THM trait.

yeah i was looking at the damage reduction. it'd hurt the party less to have one thm in a primal fight being able to do sanguine rite along with the paladin aoe rampart than it would be for everyone in the party to go as a class so they could use sentinel.
03-05-2012, 04:41 PM
Xelsiar

Quote:

Originally Posted by Masamune1004

Unless they nerf Hellfire, I'm thinking it might be best for DD's to go as classes since they need to be self-sufficient with heals and all.

Yea, I doubt they nerf Hellfire for job release. The jobs aren't being put into place for the primals to get easier. People will want to go on their newly acquired jobs against Ifrit, but I think alot of people will be dissappointed when they die from HF lol.
03-05-2012, 04:43 PM
Masamune1004

Or maybe the new setup for Ifrit will be PLD, 2x WHM, 5x BLM since all the BLMs could use Sanguine Rite w/ the damage reduction.
03-05-2012, 04:43 PM
Magnesium02

In regards to all the usefull skills that can currently be cross classed:

¤ No Sentinel for Monk, Dragoon, Bard or Black Mage
¤ No Second Wind for Paladin or Bard.
¤ No Featherfoot for Paladin or Bard.
¤ No Raise for Monk, Warrior, Dragoon or Blackmage
¤ No Sacred Prism for Monk, Warrior, Dragoon or Blackmage
¤ No Cure/Protect/Stoneskin for Monk, Warrior, Dragoon or Blackmage
¤ No Sanguine Rite for Paladin, Monk, Warrior, Dragoon or White Mage
¤ No Chameleon/Quelling Strike for Paladain, Warrior, or White Mage
¤ No Decoy for Paladain, Warrior, or White Mage
¤ No Invigorate for Paladain, Warrior, Bard, White Mage or Black Mage
¤ No Keen Flurry for Paladain, Warrior, Bard, White Mage or Black Mage

However, I am not sure about all skills of the secondary classes being equippable. On the tooltip, Cura and Curagae require CON. It will be usable by WHM but I am not sure if that limitation means a PLD can't use it.
03-05-2012, 04:45 PM
MStowastiqVahlshdeh

I am confused about why the [dev1033] thread is dated 03-07-2011 03:30 AM ???
03-05-2012, 04:46 PM
Estellios

Just destroy all the Infernal Nails, it's really not hard at all and severely drops the damage done even without Sentinel or Sanguine Rite. 2 CNJs is more than enough to heal a tank and a party of melees and WHM's healing should be even better than that. The presumed increase in damage output from DD's should make it even easier to take down nails.
03-05-2012, 04:48 PM
Masamune1004

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magnesium02

In regards to all the usefull skills that can currently be cross classed:

¤ No Sentinel for Monk, Dragoon, Bard or Black Mage
¤ No Second Wind for Paladin or Bard.
¤ No Featherfoot for Paladin or Bard.
¤ No Raise for Monk, Warrior, Dragoon or Blackmage
¤ No Sacred Prism for Monk, Warrior, Dragoon or Blackmage
¤ No Cure/Protect/Stoneskin for Monk, Warrior, Dragoon or Blackmage
¤ No Sanguine Rite for Paladin, Monk, Warrior, Dragoon or White Mage
¤ No Chameleon/Quelling Strike for Paladain, Warrior, or White Mage
¤ No Decoy for Paladain, Warrior, or White Mage
¤ No Invigorate for Paladain, Warrior, Bard, White Mage or Black Mage
¤ No Keen Flurry for Paladain, Warrior, Bard, White Mage or Black Mage

However, I am not sure about all skills of the secondary and tertiallr classes being equippable. On the tooltip, Cura and Curagae require CON. I am not sure if that limitation means a PLD can't use it.

Nice work! And I'd have to say that Jobs probly won't be able to use class-specific action from the other 2 classes, but it'd be nice to get conformation on this.
03-05-2012, 04:48 PM
Xelsiar

Quote:

Originally Posted by Estellios

Just destroy all the Infernal Nails, it's really not hard at all and severely drops the damage done even without Sentinel or Sanguine Rite. 2 CNJs is more than enough to heal a tank and a party of melees and WHM's healing should be even better than that. The presumed increase in damage output from DD's should make it even easier to take down nails.

Maybe DRG's Jump nullifies Hellfire's damage ^.^
03-05-2012, 04:49 PM
whoopeeragon

Quote:

Originally Posted by Masamune1004

Everyone's gonna have to gather around the BLM for Sacred Prism'd Sanguine Rite I guess, or just use classes, since they should still be a viable choice.

Bard. :D

Sacred Prism from CNJ

Sanguine Rite from THM.

Mwahaha.
03-05-2012, 04:51 PM
Masamune1004

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Originally Posted by whoopeeragon

Bard. :D

Sacred Prism from CNJ

Sanguine Rite from THM.

Mwahaha.

But only THM gets the damage reduction trait that makes Sanguine Rite useful.
03-05-2012, 04:51 PM
Jericho

So BLM won't have all the elemental spells? ...
03-05-2012, 04:54 PM
indira

wonder if the future hold job only content for a challenge for once.
03-05-2012, 04:58 PM
Rydin

Quote:

Originally Posted by Estellios

No raising for DD-focused classes either! But it looks like everyone has a means to, at minimum, self-heal.

Edit: Now that we know that the cross-class abilities are limited, it's making sense how classes will be more useful in some situations.

Still no reason to Gladiator EVER

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xelsiar

PLD using Curaga ^.^ Yes please.

probably not... due to this

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magnesium02

However, I am not sure about all skills of the secondary classes being equippable. On the tooltip, Cura and Curagae require CON. It will be usable by WHM but I am not sure if that limitation means a PLD can't use it.

I agree with Magnesium.... Im guessing they mean cross-classable abilities.... exclusive abilities are still exclusive. Curaga for a PLD... doubt it
03-05-2012, 04:59 PM
Xelsiar

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rydin

Still no reason to Gladiator EVER

probably not... due to this

I agree with Magnesium.... Im guessing they mean cross-classable abilities.... exclusive abilities are still exclusive. Curaga for a PLD... doubt it

You break my heart >.<
03-05-2012, 05:02 PM
Tezz_Xivectro

My body is ready...

EDIT: This seems pretty interesting...

Quote:

Changes to base parameters

When the player changes jobs, base parameters change automatically.
03-05-2012, 05:05 PM
Zdenka

Remember we get JSE gear in this patch too, it might warrant using Jobs over Classes just for that gear.

All in all, losing lots of versitility (at the cost of improved dps, healing, tanking... hopefully) will make this game more fun to play because it might actually require people to be more thoughtful now. Frankly its been sorta lame that -everyone- can raise, or spot heal, etc.

Return of skillful play, here's hoping.
03-05-2012, 05:08 PM
DeadRiser

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zdenka

Remember we get JSE gear in this patch too, it might warrant using Jobs over Classes just for that gear.

All in all, losing lots of versitility (at the cost of improved dps, healing, tanking... hopefully) will make this game more fun to play because it might actually require people to be more thoughtful now. Frankly its been sorta lame that -everyone- can raise, or spot heal, etc.

Return of skillful play, here's hoping.

Yeah as nice as it was that everyone can heal/raise... it made being a healing class kinda pointless and lackluster almost. I like that the cross class skills will be limited a lot. I almost wish they would just make the jobs the classes in this game and get rid of the smaller ones lol. But that's another topic and a personal opinion!
03-05-2012, 05:11 PM
Ilethius

I havent looked at the post waaaaaay back when that listed all the new actions for each job but maybe there is something in there for dmg reduction for the classes that can't use sentinel.

So far I am liking this tho, I hope we get info on the 2 new raids soon and also any new nm's open world or instanced. *crosses fingers*
03-05-2012, 05:22 PM
Estellios

Quote:

Still no reason to Gladiator EVER

We have to see how your damage changes on Paladin. If it drops like a stone then solo/small groups you will still want to be Gladiator.
03-05-2012, 05:28 PM
Rau

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rydin

Still no reason to Gladiator EVER

How is a high defense class with relatively infinite MP a bad idea for a tank?
03-05-2012, 05:40 PM
Munba

I think this is interesting,

Quote:

and features a sequence of special quests available at certain levels that unlock systems, abilities, and job-specific equipment. The series of job quests will not involve extremely difficult tasks such as fighting primals. Rather, they will be new game elements intended to boost character growth and motivate players.

New sort of gameplay elements? Can't wait to see what it means.

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