Was not able to find a thread where this would be appropriate to post, nor a thread that addresses this.
This thread's purpose is to address an apparent miss-matching that I had noticed when getting some gear crafted.
This would be the full Cobalt Haubergeon set (Barbut/Hauby/Mitt Gauntlets/Sollerets)
You might notice that the haubergeon and sollerets look a little out of place.
Lets look at the Mythril Haubergeon set now (Barbut/Hauby/Mitt Gauntlets/Sollerets)
Looks pretty good right?
Well... Let's swap out the Mythril haubergeon and sollerets for the Cobalt versions.
Matches much better, doesn't it?
Now.. last but not least; let's reverse it and go with Cobalt Barbut, Mythril Haubergeon, Cobalt Mitt Gauntlets, and the Mythril Sollerets.
Matches MUCH better than the whole Cobalt set together.
What jumps out at me is that the models for the haubergeon and sollerets must have been mixed up at some point. What do you all think?
P.S. Hopefully I successfully hid these images during this post; did not want to flood the thread with gigantic images.
EDIT: Images swapped for better cropped versions.
Cobalt Haubergeon/Mythril Haubergeon Sets are Miss-matched
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03-05-2012, 10:21 AMBremenCobalt Haubergeon/Mythril Haubergeon Sets are Miss-matched
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03-05-2012, 10:25 AMXelsiarWho cares? New gear, New dungeons, New jobs coming out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bremen
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03-05-2012, 10:29 AMXelsiar
I better rephrase. I too, have seen that they don't match, but regardless, with the new content coming out. The need for craftable gear to be matched up specifically don't ring very loud in the way of players. Also, just because it's all the same type of make in gear, doesn't mean it's meant to be worn all in the same set. There are so many different possibilities to a set of gear, that you can make a set what you want it to be..
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03-05-2012, 10:42 AMVaen
Wow, it took me a little while to see it, but yeah, the final screenshot looks like a much better-matching set, even though the actual equip is mismatched.
I don't have a plate-wearing class high enough to have experienced that myself yet, but I can see why that would be kind of annoying. I wonder how it ended up that way?
Anyway, hopefully its not a mistake they keep making with new armor sets in the future...
Edit: Hopefully they someday add an "appearance tab"/reskinning like in Aion so we can equip the armor and weapons with the best stats and still customize them to look like any other armors/weapons of the same type that we choose. -
03-05-2012, 10:50 AMRaldo
You should take these pictures on something other than a lalafell. I'm having difficulty seeing the problem here and I suspect it's because of your diminutive size.
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03-05-2012, 10:51 AMXelsiarLawls. What a low blow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raldo
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03-05-2012, 10:53 AMVaenYeah, I agree, it was pretty hard to see because you're so tiny heh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raldo
Another thing you could do is use Microsoft Paint to crop the screenshot so it just shows your character and not everything else. That way it shows up bigger on the forums. Example:
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03-05-2012, 10:53 AMBremen
I don't have any other characters that I would be able to demonstrate on. The main places of interest to look at would be the shoulders and knees.
Photobucket kind of shrunk the images; apologies.
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03-05-2012, 01:31 PMCascade
your looking at it as a picture..... what you need to do is look at it from the materials
you'll see that they are the right models
do they match no.... but i don't think they were ever ment to a true set -
03-05-2012, 01:37 PMRaldo
Cool, thanks for the crops; that helps a lot! I can see what you're talking about now, and I agree with you. I don't care enough to look at the materials to check what Cascade just said, but that's a possible reason.
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03-06-2012, 01:02 AMBremenValid point; the synth for the cobalt haubergeon does require mythril plates. Hard for me to believe, however, that the artists that did the recolor intended the set to reflect as it does in-game (simply for the fact that the two sets match much better with the swapped pieces).Quote:
your looking at it as a picture..... what you need to do is look at it from the materials
you'll see that they are the right models
do they match no.... but i don't think they were ever ment to a true set
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03-06-2012, 01:08 AMelectrikALIEN
On a side note... The cobalt barbut will never leave my Lancer's head.
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03-06-2012, 01:09 AMMatsumeI care, for myself and future players. This needs to be fixed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xelsiar
OP is very observent. -
03-06-2012, 01:31 AMpilot
The recipes make sense. The problem is that cobalt and steel are exactly the same color.
Editing for clarification: Its fine that these two metals look nearly the same. "The problem" is that the OP is confused because theyre the same color, not because cobalt or steel or anything is supposed to look this way or that. -
03-06-2012, 02:14 AMPandaTaruIf you look closer at the color of the mail of both Haubergeons and look at what makes what in the the recipes, they're not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bremen
Cobalt = the armor has a metal gray colored mail
Mythril = The armor has a blue colored mail
and the recipes give it away as well ->
Cobalt Haubergeon:
Cobalt Rings (x3) <- color of the mail on the armor (Metal Gray)
Undyed Felt (x1)
Mythril Plate (x1) <- Color of the reinforcement on the arms/shoulders (Blue)
Boar Leather (x1)
Mythril Haubergeon:
Mythril Rings (x3) <- color of the mail on the armor (Blue)
Undyed Woolen Cloth (x1)
Steel Plate (x1) <- Color of the reinforcement on the arms/shoulders (Metal Gray)
Aldgoat Leather (x1)
after, yes, the rest of the set looks dumb and is miss-matched if you compare it to the Hauby which is the main item :/
yes, the blue on the Mythril Hauby is light... not really surprising if some people see it gray.Quote:
Originally Posted by pilot
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03-06-2012, 05:39 AMMolly_Millions
lets not event start talking about the red or blue cobalt plate set with no red or blue belt. At least these sets have all the pieces.
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03-06-2012, 08:42 PMMatsume
hmmmmmmmmm
shouldn't Mythril be grey colored and cobalt blue? ...seeing as the cobalt is just another word for ...blue.Quote:
Originally Posted by PandaTaru
Cobalt Celata:
Cobalt Plate (x2)
Mythril Rings (x1)
Electrum Ingot (x1)
so why aren't the barbut plates blue?
Cobalt Mitt Gauntlets:
Steel Plate (x1)
Cobalt Plate (x1)
Cobalt Rivets (x1)
Raptor Leather (x1)
Who the hell decided to make cobalt a silver colored metal? -
03-06-2012, 09:32 PMCascade
cobalt steel isn't blue though,
cobalt is just an element added to steel to change its properties its mostly used for tools like drill bits IRL -
03-06-2012, 09:37 PMHiirNoivl
Cobalt is an element that makes GLASS blue.
But cobalt is not blue. -
03-06-2012, 09:51 PMpilot
I think the other problem is that these armors we have matched up arent actually a proper set. The cobalt chain coif with mythril plate shovel-face is part of the haubergeon/ solleret set. This set doesnt have hands. The Barbut and Mitt Gauntlets are made with cobalt and steel unlike the other armors and are kind of odd balls. They match each other in thier own mini head/ hand set but we are sort of shoe horning a things together here in the OP.
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03-06-2012, 10:51 PMPandaTaru
Cobalt isn't blue as other people pointed out.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CobaltQuote:
Cobalt (ˈkoʊbɒlt/ KOH-bolt or /ˈkoʊbɔːlt/ KOH-bawlt)[3] is a chemical element with symbol Co and atomic number 27. It is found naturally only in chemically combined form. The free element, produced by reductive smelting, is a hard, lustrous, silver-gray metal.
Mythril was greenish in XI... ask the Dev why they made it blue in XIV.
Tho, the reason is probably as simple as because one is a fictional metal while the other is a real metal/element found in nature.
(fictional)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mithril
(real)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobalt
You're probably confusing the color thing with this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cobalt_(color)
On the other hand, what about the Mahogany Pattens (Blue) that are white?
http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/im...ue%29_Icon.png
While the regular, uncolored, ones are Blue?
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03-06-2012, 11:37 PMMatsumeYes, Yes, and more Yes. you are right. Cobalt is a silver colored metal, used to impart a beautiful blue in glass.Quote:
Originally Posted by PandaTaru
But just for the sake of it, I'm going to remind you that we play a game that is called Final Fantasy. This is a fictional game, and just as you pointed out mythril is a fictional element:
Now, the game developers could have just made both mythril AND cobalt the same color going by the inferred color of mythril and the real nature of cobalt - but where would be the fun in that? The fact is this is a fantasy world, in which the game developers have the freedom to do as they please. So all that rubish, as true as it may be, about cobalt being a grey colored element that only becomes blue in glass is pretty much irrelevant.Quote:
The name mithril comes from two words in Sindarin — mith, meaning "grey" or "mist", and ril meaning "glitter".[2] The metal's Quenya name is mistarillë. Mithril was also called "true-silver" or "Moria-silver"; the Dwarves had their own secret name for it.
Obviously, the game developers had the idea in mind to mke mythril and cobalt distinctly different from one another by making one blue and the other silver:
mythril: http://static.ffxiah.com/images/ffxiv/icon/32/60135.jpghttp://static.ffxiah.com/images/ffxiv/icon/32/60099.jpghttp://static.ffxiah.com/images/ffxiv/icon/32/60090.jpghttp://static.ffxiah.com/images/ffxiv/icon/32/60116.jpg
cobalt: http://static.ffxiah.com/images/ffxiv/icon/32/61661.jpghttp://static.ffxiah.com/images/ffxiv/icon/32/60047.jpghttp://static.ffxiah.com/images/ffxiv/icon/32/60061.jpg
Judging by these images, mythril is more of a bluish tint than cobalt - and I'm okay with that. It really doesn't matter which one gets to be the blue ranger or the white ranger, what matters is that there is a uniformity in color to the armor made by those elements. Either the Mythril Set should be entirely blue with hints of silver and the Cobalt Set should be entirely silver with hints of blue (and electrum?) or vice versa.
Then again, maybe we are making too big a deal out of this. But, as has been pointed out by others and Pandataru (lolname) the colors do not correspond at all to the graphics of the images. -
03-06-2012, 11:39 PMMatsume
One more thing: when will we get awesome colorful fractal crystal uber gears made out of Bismuth? :D
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03-06-2012, 11:56 PMPandaTaru
yes, the coloring of gear is a bit awkward sometimes. They probably wanted to make the distinction between the Cobalt pigments used to color glass in blue and the cobalt used to make metal. Also probably to avoid having two similarly colored items used to make gear that's close from each other in level. Mythril is used to make r42ish gear while cobalt is used to make r49ish gear. The funny thing is that Mythril ores are greenish but the ingots are blue.
Let's make Prism Capes :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Matsume
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03-06-2012, 11:59 PMpilot
The color of those pattens refers to the color of the felt in the shoe. Yes, there is or was (maybe still is?) "wood dye" so why arent we laquering these instead? I dont know why the rest of the shoes change color but hey. Y'all must not craft much or maybe havent crafted much in the old dated system. Or you're trying to get a rise out of someone! \0/
Actually, the brown ones dont make sense <_<. It looks the the cloth part on those is white! /boggle -
03-07-2012, 12:08 AMMatsumeI don't see why Cobalt armor couldn't be coated in a cobalt blue enamel for that matter ^^;Quote:
Originally Posted by PandaTaru
Are you saying that the undyed Mahogany Patterns are made with blue dyed felt while the Blue Dyed Mahogany Patterns are made with White colored felt?Quote:
Originally Posted by pilot
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03-07-2012, 12:09 AMPandaTaruthere isn't anymore, people wanted a simple universal dying system to save inventory space. I have no idea why the shoes turns White when we dye it to blue, more because the original/not dyed shoes was blue to start with.Quote:
Originally Posted by pilot
Or they mixed up the icons. The original old/dated recipe for this item would have used an undyed cloth, while the blue version used a blue cloth. That's how the complicated old system worked sometimes to color gear like shoes, belt, and such.
lol. (see above)Quote:
Originally Posted by pilot
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03-07-2012, 12:15 AMIrondude
there is a pair of mage shoes with the description as white that are blue and the blue pair are actually white ><
edit: oh! lol someone posted it on here already awsome. -
03-07-2012, 12:22 AMpilot
Matsume, if you check out the green ones its pretty clear to see where the cloth element is. Can see on the little icon or just find them in-game. Come on, you're close to the floor. You should notice these things!
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03-07-2012, 12:24 AMMatsume
GUISE. Guys...and girls. I found the problem. I was messing around with the FFXIV configurations and came across a special effects option:
Looks much better now, right? -
03-07-2012, 12:26 AMMatsumeYou just skirted around my question didn't you?Quote:
Originally Posted by pilot
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03-07-2012, 12:28 AMPandaTarulooks outstanding, love it! Rofl :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Matsume
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03-07-2012, 12:36 AMpilot
I'm not skirting. I'm telling you, look at the green ones and it will be clear to you why theyre called green. From there you should see the colored parts youre talking about with these other pattens have nothing to do with their description. Pattens have built in "socks". That is where the color lives. Except for the brown ones... i dont know whats up with those.
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03-07-2012, 12:44 AMMatsumeOh i see, I thought you meant those blue ones posted above. Um... yeah. Well, why can't we laquer them then?Quote:
Originally Posted by pilot