I started playing this games in hw patch 3.1 and loved it. HW is one of the best parts of this game. Since I play a bit too much I look to do most stuff this game has on offer. That will imply that I hunted in hw and into sb. On the Hyperion server it was find, it call it, kill it. As there found through the day. It was a fun ez thing to do hear and there up till about patch 4.3 or .4, I think. Now they take the hunt trackers they have had for ages and use em to from a train every time there up and kill em all in a row. If you find one before they start they yell at you to hold off so you can get them all. There just so rude. If I try to do it anyway they say I don't share. Its because there organized that they get there way every time. Now what is a person who want to hunt but can't do about it? Cant report em because its so many different people. Also if you join em theres several problems with there train too. If your slow, lag, slow lode in, old pc, ps4, or mac you miss the hunts. Thats because they fly as a mob to each hunt pre-scouted. That means if your not there at the start or don't know there order you will likely miss a few or more. One time I tried to go with em and missed about 5 or 6 of the sb A rank hunts because I was using my old pc from 2009 with a modern graphics card. I can make it to stuff in eureka and play dungeons on that computer but this is out of hand. When I said I would not use an outside site or application to track hunts I was booted from my hunting linkshell. Since when do we require an outside source to play this game? Whats going to be done to fix this broken hunt system they have?
Hunts bring down this game.
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2019/04/12, 03:42RMA209Hunts bring down this game.
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2019/04/12, 05:52Neoyoshi
I think you already know the answer, the game isn't creating these frustrating experiences for you, the people you play with are.
I cannot speak for Hyperion as i am from Gilgamesh, but different groups do different things- differently. Find the group that matches your play-style and what you may/may-not be limited to, the game's design isn't meant to require outside 3rd party sources, so you shouldn't feel pressured to do that. -
2019/04/12, 06:08DrWho2010
the system isn't broken. you're just choosing not to play within the boundaries. people like schedules. you're free to snipe all you want but just be wary of what your fellow players may think. yes hunts are supposed to be a free for all - and most ARR/HW A rank hunts are. once 5.0 comes along and we get to level 80 the same thing will happen with their hunts and 4.0 A rank hunts will fall to the wayside just like ARR/HW did. as for your computers - well that's more of a you problem then a community mindset problem...?
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2019/04/12, 06:11RMA209
I only wish I knew who ran there discord so I could report em for this bad culture. I try to play around em and thats when they get mad at me for sniping or not sharing. There welcome to help me. Why would they create a thing that leads to this? One organized group taking all the loot for the people who happen to be around or on there discord. Also I heard that discord has meme spamming and should be missed. They ping many afk players to come to hunts even if there on the john or out side.
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2019/04/12, 06:37Besame
It is the people that make the hunt fun. We dismiss chocos and minions on big trains to help with load times. Bring a ranged and hang out on a side away from people. Ranged should barely get damage on train bosses except poison from Oni if you are savvy. Another nice feature of our server is if your train PF group is short people to get credit, a simple shout out will have a few leaving their full group to help you out. Can't ask for a better hunt community than ours really.
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2019/04/12, 06:55DrWho2010it's hardly bad culture. if they harass you though feel free to report them. when people operate on a schedule they usually don't like it if something messes with it. (I know i don't like it either when something unexpected messes up a timed thing). People always try to create order from chaos. it's human nature. if you can take something random like A rank spawns and force it into predictable window that makes it easier to exploit it for rewards. Either you beat em or join em.Quote:
引用元：RMA209
Discord is set up to mute whatever servers/channels you want to receive notifications for. I have several discords i'm part of but don't ever really read - why? so I can hop in there if needed at any time. you can choose to suppress @here or @everyone notifications so that you don't get triggered by that "1" pop up. I know i miss many hunt train notifications because i'm at work but then when i get home i can somewhat determine when the next train will be and plan accordingly. and if i miss it? So what? they'll always be back the next time to do it. at this point i almost barely even need centurio seals but i still want to do stuff for desynth and get a few more upgrade items easily using clan hunt logs.
I don't know about you but you seem to have a somewhat convoluted view of what hunts should or should not be. But with world visit around the corner things are probably going to be even more shook up as other world interlopers are going to be sniping hunts and it will be even more of a free for all for awhile. And then the hunt community "leaders" will come together to a consensus and create a data center wide hunt train moving from world to world to world. and then you will be back to complaining yet again. -
2019/04/12, 08:26EspSince we're from the same server, I find a lot of inconsistencies with your post. So allow me to explain what I see how hunts are handled mostly on Hyperion. Keep in mind I am mostly a passerby when it comes to hunts, and if I am not busy and need seals at that point (or bored xD) I usually tag along.Quote:
引用元：RMA209
When it comes to A ranks:
Someone will usually do a shout in one of the most populated areas, such as Kugane, The Reach, Mor Donuts, etc. It just depends on who is where usually I would believe, so the word gets around that a train is forming and give the position of where the hunt train will be starting.
This same message also goes through in Hunt LS chats, so plenty of notices both through normal channels and worldwide exist, so there isn't much of a reason to NOT join up with the hunt groups and tag along (Are also free to set up your own A rank train party through the PF to grab stragglers if parties are full).
Now once people start showing up, folks will usually wait a good while, usually doing a shout to see if anyone is on the way (which a new thing they have been doing, at least on night trains, so it's kinda nice :p).
After a bit, folks do what they do best, zerg until dead! Once it's down, someone will then post the position and area of the next mob in the train, and you can either catch the teleports, or start your own and move on. Rinse and repeat until all A ranks are gone. Everyone gets seals, clusters and people are happy.
It's this kind of organization that makes A ranks so nice and painless. Unlike S ranks, where it's basically a free for all.
You say your getting yelled at for trying to kill a A rank you found. Sure, they can yell at you, but you did find it, so kill it at your leisure. Honestly, there is not much they can do to stop you, since your not breaking any real rules, so if you kill it before the train, they will be salty sure, but they will just move on to the next. There are plenty more up.
Just remember that your also doing the same thing you have a issue about, which is killing a A rank solo SOMEONE ELSE might be wanting for seals as well. Your creating the same problem on your own that your trying to solve!
You also state that no one shares the position of the next one that the train is after, besides the fact that the train does shouts for the next Hunt mob for both those in other parties and people that may be coming into the hunt train late..so...do you have your chat disabled?
There is also the notion that a Hunt LS requires you to use a third party program to join in on hunt, which is laughably false. Again, the position of hunts are called out through LS channels, or even in shouts. No outside source is required unless you are keeping track of all hunts and timers. If you just want to get to a hunt, none of that is required, just a Hunt LS. (And if one is rudely forcing you to get a tracker, and you don't feel comfortable using a outside source, then you were better off getting removed from said Hunt LS).
Lastly, how can a entire server be blamed for your computer issues? There is nothing we can do about the slow load times. That unfortunately is something that will have to be resolved on your end. You can't expect a entire server full of people to cater to you only. Eureka is different since the instance scales NM differently, up to the point NMs can be nothing but HP sponges.
Hunts are rough due to our ever increasing power ratings, and it's only going to get worse come the new expansion. There is only so much we can do and yes, some people will miss out on one or two hunts, but it is not the end of the world, and there are good people out there doing their best to organize random strangers so that everyone can have the best and fair experience possible.
My apologies to everyone for the long wall of text here..but it was just too much to see the degree of false information, at least where A ranks and trains are concerned. -
2019/04/12, 14:37HyoMinParkDoesn't matter even if you did know. GMs only take action against things done in-game. Not in a third-party chat tool. They have no jurisdiction there.Quote:
引用元：RMA209
It seems like you're actively choosing not to play with them. Why should they help you? Why can't you do Hunt trains on their schedule? Why does it have to be on your schedule? -
2019/04/13, 00:35Celestene
I have seen people intentionally leave people out of hunts while they are begging to be in, then get mad when they hunt it too. Why? This is the behavior that makes the snipers and bad players. What does it take to include the outsider? Nothing really.
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2019/04/13, 01:02Voidedge_Ragna
There are parties who actually focus on spawning S ranks. If you sit in a hub and wait for a call out chances are your report was already delayed.
Load times get longer if ppl tele to an S rank and if you are using a old computer your only chance would be to help the ppl that spawn them rather then moving when its spawned
System is fine as is. -
2019/04/13, 04:03AvenoMatt
I've been playing since patch 3.2 and this has been a common practice in Diabolos (not so much atm, hunting is kinda dead). In all honesty it just depends on who is on. The norm is that either someone will scout the hunts before hand and once they are all found the train will start or a train starts and everyone starts scouting going from one zone to the next. They usually wait a good 2-3mins before pulling the first hunt so ppl can come, sometimes longer depending if ppl are still coming. Every hunt is shouted in order and after every kill so the train always knows where to go next. The train then waits a usual 1-2mins at this point as anyone who actually cared to join the train has already joined. If someone still needs a party or a party is too small a few nice ppl will actual leave their party to form a new party or join the undersized party so all get full credit. This is all for 4.0 hunts, 2.0 and 3.0 hunts specifically
A Ranks aren't as friendly since not may care to do them so usually once called ppl don't wait as long before killing since they it is expected that no many will actually show. S Ranks no matter what level always pull in a crowd but for 2.0 the general idea is first come first serve since they die so fast so landing a hit before it dies can be competitive.
There are snipers and earlier pullers on diabolos but they usually aren't that big of an issue. My biggest advice would be to try and join a few hunt LS so you always know what hunts are up and make a macro hunt shout for all your LSs and the world so more ppl know what hunts are currently being targeted. Let your party know to shout for you that they have someone otw. If Hyperion has enough etiquette then they should be willing to wait till everyone is there. Also if you haven't lower your graphic settings and turn visual effects offs at least for non party members. Your response time should improve. -
2019/04/14, 12:51Sukamachi
They need to add something where can block other players not in your party so they don't show up. What good is being at hunt when there invisible because there's like 300 players all in one small space that causes huge lag and fps to drop to single digits.
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2019/04/14, 13:01hynaku
Think they need to fix there servers so ones don't get disconnected and hunts don't turn invisible on you. This happens to me a lot in hunts where it is about dead then boom your disconnected and then get nothing for helping kill the hunt. They need to think of some kind fix for when there is so many in one area that causes huge lag and disconnects. Hunt train is worst idea ever. Who ever thought having hundreds all together in one small area was good idea is sure wrong.
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2019/04/19, 00:48RMA209Really? I find one I shout and LS. Also some times I even use the novice network saying that its lv 70. Then someone tells me Im inpatient or rude or wrong for not just joining the train. For your information I was booted from my second hunt LS when I told em I don't want extra stuff around the game. No extra apps or sites to report or track hunts. Its a difference of opinion and folks look down on me for it. I know I'm not alone. Others share my view.Quote:
引用元：Esp
As to your thing about my pc. I have tried to play on my new pc, old pc, and original model ps4. When I try I just can't keep up. If they did not instant pull it would not be so bad. When I had the nerve to ask about that I was told they use the same route each day and I should know it.
Also I imagine a person out in the field with a quiet linkshell, like mine, might not get the hunt info if they did want in. What about people playing other parts of the game? If they don't own hunt any more then anyone else why do we have to play it on there terms? At least most of the time because there a mob. Few people can beat a mob. There not wrong but many don't act nice to people who don't join em. -
2019/04/25, 02:08MirakumiTypically a hunt LS will use that extra stuff so by going into that linkshell and demanding they stop is kind of your own downfall. I would say start your own linkshell and go from there If you feel others share your view - get those others.Quote:
引用元：RMA209
As far as world visitation goes there's going to be some culture shock all around. Levi and Ultros use PF and don't invite via /sh. Hyperion, Lamia and Behemoth seem to be Free for all. So if you don't want to join the train on Hyperion just go out and /sh and kill.
There is nothing really called early pulls in this game - so if someone gives you a hard time you can report them. but -- at the same time if you grief them back, and mock the train then your probably going to find yourself in hot water too.
So get to work on your own ls and what not then getting on the others for their decisions on how to play the game is my advice to you. -
2019/04/30, 07:14Dalvy
On Goblin, it was a common practice to call it out, throw up PFs and wait 5 minutes for people to get there.
Post patch, the hunt culture cultivated by local players was destroyed almost overnight by people from other servers, who kill A ranks before our local hunt trains can get to them. Nevermind the S ranks that get pulled and die before 2-3 minutes go by of first discovery.
There is definitely a sense of anger because of the cross-server addition... Thanks for unnecessarily removing us from our original data center, SE :mad: -
2022/02/01, 07:23EmilySummerstar
There are always A-Ranks walking about. Are they truly hunted only once per day?
I recently decided to shout the location of an A-Rank in Il-Mheg. A few people showed up and we asked around in our linkshells if anyone else would like to participate. As we waited, people started to drop off and leave without saying anything. I figured that they lost interest and just continued to do my daily hunts in the area. A few moments later, people started shouting at me to leave the A-Ranks alone and telling me that it's poachers like me that ruin the game experience and that every hunt linkshell was going to do something about it with me. I had no clue what they were talking about until I realized they meant the A-Rank.
I had not done A-Ranks since Storm Blood and it was common then to shout out those A-Ranks when you saw them. It gave people during any time of play to participate. The monsters respawned quick enough that they could be hunted at all times of the day. I later learned from some of my friends that these days, it was frowned upon to do hunts outside of hunt trains. I've done at most 2 A-Ranks in the Shadowbringer zone and 1 in the new Endwalker zones. I find this to be such a shame because the hunt trains only happen during the hours of the day convenient to some of the player base. I've resigned this to be game content that I just won't have access to. -
2022/02/01, 14:42KageTokage
A ranks are seldom killed often enough to warrant overprotective behavior like that.
Such individuals are usually full of hot air anyways so if you want to hunt something just do it at your leisure and don't concern yourself with being witch hunted or anything like that. -
2022/02/01, 19:03JojoyaFree hunting is fine. No player has the right to stop you from killing a hunt if you want to. You are not a poacher. Report anyone calling you a poacher (or making other derogatory comments) for harassment.Quote:
引用元：EmilySummerstar
Trains are running infrequently enough right now that there's no reason for anyone to complain about free hunting. No one from Diabolos has relayed any trains to the data center hunt discord in the last 4 days (and the last couple before that were Endwalker only) so I can't tell if they haven't run one at all or if they're only relaying locally. It's not a big deal if a train only has 10 or 11 instead of all 12. Better that the hunts get killed as found (the way SE has intended it) than for them to be ignored expecting someone else to start a train just to have them despawn so no one benefits at all.
You may want to consider organizing trains yourself. We don't have enough players willing to conduct to keep trains running as frequently as they can be. Most of the conductors in the community are friendly and happy to give tips/advice.
One thing I will add is that if people did show up for the rank A you found then left, you were probably waiting too long to pull. No one is going to wait 10-15 minutes for a single rank A when most of a train could be run in the same amount of time. Once you have a couple of people present, go ahead and pull. Shadowbringers Rank As won't die so fast that others arriving late will miss out (unless they're arriving very late) and they can be solo'd by the right jobs. -
2022/02/01, 20:34BesameI am curious as to why you pulled up a 3 year old thread to make the same complaint that has exiisted for as many years plus? Hunts are not perfect but if you are not a dungeon runner, they are all we have to gear up. I'd suggest modifying your playstyle to fit the masses.Quote:
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2022/02/02, 07:25EmilySummerstar
I've played the game for quite a while but this has been my first post. I probably should not have posted anything at all. I was actually interested in looking to see if my experience was truly unique or if what I experienced was common behavior and that I should just put up with it.
For the most part I love the FFXIV player base. Friends who play other games have probably tired of hearing me rave about the people who play this game. By the responses that I've gotten so far from you and others, I stand by this sentiment. The game is wonderful in all of the different activities that are offered and there is plenty for me to do such that in the years that since Stormblood, I've had practically no experience with fighting A-Rank hunts. I am perfectly fine with going back to that. -
2022/05/31, 13:03Nadda
You have every right to say what you want. Especially on a Forum of all things don't worry.
Only A-Ranks or what have you I go after are prior expansion ones that can be solo'd and it's only if I see them and only on a whim. Not because I'm trying to take rewards from other people, I don't even think about such things, but because I enjoy the adventure and the challenge of fighting a big monster out in the open world.
Always have since I first saw Forneus in Central Shroud fighting it as a level 12 conjurer sprout and he killed me and my FC mates came to my rescue when I first started playing the game coming back at level 60 and managing to defeat it in single combat is one of my most precious memories.
It's at least proper etiquette to call out a mark before engaging with it for whatever time you deem reasonable. For current content. How broad you want to call these things out is up to you, can be in the zone, can be each major city etc. I don't agree with the notion there is one Official ™️ Elite Mark Hunt train Link Shell or Discord. Nobody has exclusive rights on hunts. They are kill on sight. The paltry rewards for one should be of little consequence to anyone.
So if you see one and you want to kill one not current expansion go for it. You see one in current expansion call it out. Maybe you'll meet someone in one of those Official ™️ Hunt groups and you can tag along with them in the future. Anybody who tries harassing you on it is wrong. You're not a bad person for engaging with the game. -
2022/06/04, 02:46dspguy
I see it as trying to maximize benefit to the community. If I kill a level 80 A rank with a handful of people, we each get 40 sacks of nuts. Let's say, 200 between the 5 of us. Or... on the hunt train, you kill it with 100 people and collectively earn 4000 sacks of nuts.
If I'm going to snipe marks without the hunt train, then I should never join the hunt train. You can't have your cake and eat it too. -
2022/07/27, 00:52ToutatisI know the above post is a bit old but this attitude that A rank belong only to hunt trains is over the top. I agree with trying to make Hunt marks available to the greater number but the intransigence and attitude of some players is toxic and non sensical.Quote:
If I'm going to snipe marks without the hunt train, then I should never join the hunt train. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
The ShB A rank hunt train on my server is usually around 10 am (Do people not work?). The other day it was somewhere between 8-10 pm and I sent a shout about some A ranks being available. Verbal abuse immediately followed with things such as x is going to kill you; if you touch that everyone is going to hate you and other niceties.
What was the harm in killing a few A rank at 8-10pm when the hunt train is at 10 am the next morning? Everything would have respawned by then. Why claim exclusivity over something that is not meant to be exclusive and that respawns 4-6 times a day and when the Hunt train is at hours where most players are not available anyway? If the Hunt train would have been in the next few hours, I would understand suggesting not to kill the marks but the next morning? It’s nonsense. And verbal verbal abuse is not needed. A simple “there is a hunt train coming soon, why don’t you join us” would do. -
2022/07/27, 15:14JojoyaMost of the current hunt communities don't understand how SE intended hunts to work. They were invited by friends who told them "X, Y, Z happens" and assume that's a full explanation of the Hunt.Quote:
引用元：Toutatis
I do my best to explain if I run into someone who thinks marks can't be killed outside of train.
As you say, some people have to work or have other real life obligations. They may not be able to make the trains but might want to get a kill or two in while they are still online. That's their right per SE's design. The part of the community that wants trains should have made certain to get one organized and rolling sooner if they wanted those marks included in the train.
Personally, I'm not a fan of the pre-set scheduled trains because of the drama they can cause. But at least now with world visit and data center travel, players can attend trains on other worlds if they can't make the scheduled train on their world. I'm even seeing Travelers show up at the off-off peak trains I sometimes run.
But if people have reasons to kill outside of train, no sweat. There's always the next time and there are other ways to earn tomestones and seals/nuts.
Reminds me it's time to stock up on popcorn. 6.2 is coming soon and the community is going to turn into a whinefest as raiders appear to farm clusters and nuts for materia. -
2022/07/27, 22:53ToutatisI agree with what you said.Quote:
引用元：Jojoya
See I do like hunt trains, I find them practical when you can catch them but I don’t get angry when a mark is down; we’ve already received a bunch of nuts and it’s usually the same people killing the marks over and over.
In the case I mentioned above, not only the train happens at off hours, I was on a character that could not yet access all areas in Novrandt and even less fly around them so a hunt train was a big no for me.
However, I made the shouts knowing that there would be no interference with the hunt train as it was in 12 hours only. The marks would have had the time to respawn at least twice so the hunt train would not even have been affected and everyone would have had their nuts plus a bonus yet my shout was met with angry replies. The structure has become so rigid, people can’t use their brain anymore...pardon the expression but this is nuts. -
2022/08/31, 22:07Acesfool
I participate in hunt trains on a regular basis. It's simply the most effective way to cap tomestones and all of the other goodies come in handy as well. I do take issue with those who think hunts belong to the trains. They are open world content, there for anyone to experience. And in many cases the people fighting them outside of a train don't even realize what it is they're fighting. It's simply a new experience for them.
With that said, hunt trains have become complete crap since they added cross DC travel. It used to be common to get around 60 players for a hunt train. At the busiest times that could jump up close to 100. But lately it's been 200+ in every hunt train. Hell, yesterday I did one with over 300 people. And it was a sea of traveler tags. Even worse, many of these people appear to be former WoW players because they are completely rude and refuse to give others a chance to get in the zone in time for the kill. Even when the conductor tries to slow it down by setting a meeting spot before giving the mark location, these trolls scout ahead and kill it anyway. When you ask them to please give everyone time to get in the zone they spout ignorant comments such as "Quit being entitled" or "Quit being selfish" or "Quit disrespecting my time". This is something SE needs to look into. Maybe make hunts unkillable by cross DC players. I don't know. I just know that an aspect of the game I used to enjoy has sudden;y become very annoying to do. -
2022/09/01, 04:33JojoyaFor the past 3 weeks, raiders who don't normally attend trains have been showing up to prep for the new 6.2 raid. They're a good way to farm all tomestones, not to mention the nuts and clusters for buying materia.Quote:
引用元：Acesfool
I've been conducting trains for 4 years now. This is a completely normal pattern for hunts. It always happens at the major patch releases.
Their behavior has nothing to do with what other games someone plays. FFXIV players can be just as rude and toxic. It's a person problem, not a game or community problem.
Their attendance will start dying off in another couple of weeks and trains will get back to the 60 or so that you're used to seeing until 6.3 releases, when the pattern will repeat.
I absolutely agree that it's annoying. It's why I tend to take a "vacation" for patch releases and limit my hunt attendance. There are plenty of other sources for tomestones and skipping a couple of weeks of nuts won't bother me. There are also conductors like Rin who love the bullet trains that will conduct so the trains are still running for those who want to attend the chaos. -
2022/09/01, 18:30AcesfoolYes, there is always an increase around patch time. I've never seen it get this crazy. But there has never been DC travel before either.Quote:
引用元：Jojoya
WoW breeds and encourages toxic attitudes. Although every game has its toxic players, when I see that "Me me me" attitude I'll bet dollars to donuts it's someone who recently came from WoW.Quote:
Their behavior has nothing to do with what other games someone plays. FFXIV players can be just as rude and toxic. It's a person problem, not a game or community problem.
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Their attendance will start dying off in another couple of weeks and trains will get back to the 60 or so that you're used to seeing