SE requesting : update dummys level

Why not update old dummsy?

Since we had still 50lvl and 60lvl. As We have max level 70 and new dummy too 70lvl.

Old dummyes came useless on house as we needed new dummy.
If we want still use old dummys as we don't like new dummys.

Would nice old dummys get update 50, 60 and 70 at 80lvl when shadowbringers come out.

Why? Theyre immortal practice targets? Theyll intro a lvl 80 one and that will take care of that. Anything beyond that is cosmetic predominately.

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Originally Posted by Melichoir

Why? Theyre immortal practice targets? Theyll intro a lvl 80 one and that will take care of that. Anything beyond that is cosmetic predominately.

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Exactly... Maybe I'd prefer to have a functional version of the old dummies in my yard. Yard space is already so limited, so it's hard to validate having a level 50 for looks and an additional level 70 for functionality.


I'd say make them crafting recipes, but upgrade recipes (which they really haven't added any more of in awhile).

For example,

Oriental Striking Dummy Lv.60 would require:
Oriental Striking Dummy Lv.50 + ____ + ____ + ... to craft

Then Oriental Striking Dummy Lv.70 would require:
Oriental Striking Dummy Lv.60 + ____ + ____ + ... to craft


So those who do care about aesthetics can have the look they like at a level that is relevant to them.

Useless how? To you perhaps but when I unlocked MCH I certainly needed a lv1 seeing as how I couldn't well use a 50-70.

Perhaps the dummy should have a level sync option for players that intend to use it for combat practice. You can fight the dummy as normal at its default level, or the duty menu would have sync similar to levequests where you choose any many + or - levels you want. Granted it probably sounds like a unnecessary addition and may not happen but it gives life to lower level dummies.

So someone would have to explain why a lvl 60 is not a functional dummy vs a current max? Far as I have heard, dummies are used primarily for rotation and skill practice. So what does a max level dummy grand you that a lower level doesnt? Parsing?

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Originally Posted by Kurando

Perhaps the dummy should have a level sync option for players that intend to use it for combat practice. You can fight the dummy as normal at its default level, or the duty menu would have sync similar to levequests where you choose any many + or - levels you want. Granted it probably sounds like a unnecessary addition and may not happen but it gives life to lower level dummies.

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perhaps they should remove levels from dummies.

that way any job at any level can practice without missing. doesnt make sense to me why they have levels anyway.

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Originally Posted by Nora_of_Mira

perhaps they should remove levels from dummies.

that way any job at any level can practice without missing. doesnt make sense to me why they have levels anyway.

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That would probably be the simplest solution actually.

Missing is the ultimate issue with levels, as that can effect combos/procs.

I still use older ones at the FC house so people who are still levelling up have something to use.
It's nice to know you'll miss level 60 objects at level 54 or whatever.

The should scale to your level to be honest
would satisfy everyone

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Originally Posted by Reimmi

The should scale to your level to be honest
would satisfy everyone

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What if you are in a party, who would it scale to? The highest or the lowest player?

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Originally Posted by Melichoir

So someone would have to explain why a lvl 60 is not a functional dummy vs a current max? Far as I have heard, dummies are used primarily for rotation and skill practice. So what does a max level dummy grand you that a lower level doesnt? Parsing?

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That was my guess too but regardless, it's a dummy lol. If you want to improve your dps parsing a level one dummy or a max lvl dummy doesn't matter. Because it's not about how much dps you do vs the dummy. It's about doing more dps than the last time you practiced. My level 1 dummy is best dummy :p

Actually there's no difference at all in damage you do to the dummy regardless of it's level, as they all share the same defense stats. You will get same parse results on all of them - only SSS dummies come with different stats since they're supposed to imitate specific bosses(but tbf 3min is a terrible time to measure your dps anyways).

If anything they should change every single dummy to level one like Oriental, so you won't miss while testing things out on jobs you're still leveling.

Lv1 dummies are the most useful. You do the same damage to all dummies, but you will miss attacks on dummies that are higher level than yourself. Lv70/Lv80 dummies are only useful for Lv70/Lv80 people.

Echoing Satarn's point, all the furniture dummies should be reduced to Lv1.

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Originally Posted by Reimmi

The should scale to your level to be honest
would satisfy everyone

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Not me because as others have said, it can be used for practicing rotations. And I think I can still miss if it's my level.

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Originally Posted by Satarn

Actually there's no difference at all in damage you do to the dummy regardless of it's level, as they all share the same defense stats. You will get same parse results on all of them - only SSS dummies come with different stats since they're supposed to imitate specific bosses(but tbf 3min is a terrible time to measure your dps anyways).

If anything they should change every single dummy to level one like Oriental, so you won't miss while testing things out on jobs you're still leveling.

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This was my initial thoughts, but wasnt sure if they had different stats. But if the stats are teh same, then the level is semi moot. The only reason Practice Dummies were a thing that had levels to them was to simulate the current max boss IF you could miss. This is (was?) a consideration i games like WoW because bosses were almost always a few levels above your cap so missing was a thing. But as far as I know in FFXIV, once you hit the max, your hit rate is currently capped. So as long as your maxed, you can use the max dummy or any below it and find out the same numbers. So there is no reason to sync them to max. Its pretty much all cosmetic then.

If anything they should make it so that when you go to place it a prompt appears to select a level for that dummy, similar to how to asks you to chose an appearance for housing NPCs.

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Originally Posted by Melichoir

This was my initial thoughts, but wasnt sure if they had different stats. But if the stats are teh same, then the level is semi moot. The only reason Practice Dummies were a thing that had levels to them was to simulate the current max boss IF you could miss. This is (was?) a consideration i games like WoW because bosses were almost always a few levels above your cap so missing was a thing. But as far as I know in FFXIV, once you hit the max, your hit rate is currently capped. So as long as your maxed, you can use the max dummy or any below it and find out the same numbers. So there is no reason to sync them to max. Its pretty much all cosmetic then.

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Accuracy used to be a stat, so having at level dummies was somewhat useful, though I don't think they ever matched the required accuracy for certain fights (t13 required almost 600 accuracy for 100% hit to front for tanks)

Now, accuracy is only based on level, with a few exceptions (wind mobs in eureka, and acc down debuffs)

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Originally Posted by Gula

Not me because as others have said, it can be used for practicing rotations. And I think I can still miss if it's my level.

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You can't miss unless the target is above your level, you're affected by the blind debuff or the enemy has an evasion buff, like PGL/MNK mobs using Featherfoot(which is obviously not going to happen with a dummy). They removed the natural chance to miss along with the accuracy stat back in 4.0.
Either way level scaling for dummies is likely impossible to add and even if it was doable, it'd be a complete waste of time due to same stats across all dummy types. Just make them all level 1.

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Originally Posted by Melichoir

So someone would have to explain why a lvl 60 is not a functional dummy vs a current max? Far as I have heard, dummies are used primarily for rotation and skill practice. So what does a max level dummy grand you that a lower level doesnt? Parsing?

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This is what I came here to learn.

Still kinda want OP to come back to explain how/why they think lower level dummies are useless.