Fate levelling

Seems to really suck now. I would love to see a bunch of people doing fates like I used to back when I played in AAR. Would having all fates give the amount of EXP that the bonus EXP fates give make them more attractive to people as a way to actually level?

Also, the boss ones take way to long to do without a few people. I think they should get a nerf if only 1 or 2 people are actually doing those ones.

I would prefer that over running dungeons. But if they did that, they would kill the queue times for dungeons (maybe the trust system could fix that?).

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Originally Posted by Alucard135

I would prefer that over running dungeons. But if they did that, they would kill the queue times for dungeons (maybe the trust system could fix that?).

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I think they just need to better balance dungeon exp per hour and fate exp per hour. Perhaps joining a party shouldn't kick you from your dungeon qu so that way you can farm fates with a group while in que.

FATEs have honestly gotten unpopular to the point where the bulk of players I see grinding them in HW/SB areas are doing it with bots.

Squadrons and PotD are much better for EXP in the 1-60 range.

I'd much rather be out interacting in the world than going through slightly different patterns of perfectly square rooms in PotD. :T

All they have to do is make fates give a decent amount of exp, rather than a tiny sliver to your exp bar.
People actually do ARR fates cause its still a decent form of exp while waiting for dungeon queues.
I get that they want the duty finder to be the main way of leveling outside of MSQ quests, but doing that by making fates just a waste of time isn't a good solution and just begs the question why they bother with fates at all.

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Originally Posted by Orbus

All they have to do is make fates give a decent amount of exp, rather than a tiny sliver to your exp bar.
People actually do ARR fates cause its still a decent form of exp while waiting for dungeon queues.
I get that they want the duty finder to be the main way of leveling outside of MSQ quests, but doing that by making fates just a waste of time isn't a good solution and just begs the question why they bother with fates at all.

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Fates are great when you only need a few hundred thousand xp to level. Most of my dings to 70 were on fates. Same with 60 actually...

Fates are not really rewarding and that's a problem.

I hope fates are handled better in ShB.

I just can't for the life of me figure out how FATEs are still so boring after all these years. 99.9% of FATEs involve killing stuff in the more tedious way possible. Even it's about collecting something, you still usually have to kill stuff to collect that something. There's like that one FATE in SB that I think involves sheep or something where you don't actually have to kill anything? I can't remember, it's been so long lol. Point is, surely they could throw together more FATEs where no fighting is required if for no other reason than to break up the monotony.

You want your combat job to get experience for not doing any combat?

Mostly, tho, as long as devs want to steer players into instanced content, FATEs will always fall behind. Hells, it's probably even more efficient running beast tribe quests rather than spending the same amount of time on FATEs.

The best I'd hope for is a small increase to rewards to make them slightly less useless but still pretty useless, and/or slightly nerfing them to make them a little faster/easier. Though, every tweak really fails to account for scaling.

The ARR fates are soloable as long as you keep your gear up. I do them by myself for my lower classes. I prefer boss fates actually cause they tend to be faster.

The exp from HW+ isn't great but the ARR ones are still worth doing, especially if you're leveling DPS and are waiting in queue.

I do wish they'd increase the EXP for them.

I was sick of fates well before patch 2.1 hit...and then they just kept getting thrown at us. If they aren't going to make them fun and engaging I would prefer that they let the idea of fates die. At the end of the day I'm not exactly heartbroken that they aren't worth much exp at higher levels.

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Originally Posted by Alucard135

But if they did that, they would kill the queue times for dungeons (maybe the trust system could fix that?).

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Well, if PotD/HoH hasn't killed queue times for dungeons... I doubt that FATEs being relevant would either.

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

You want your combat job to get experience for not doing any combat?

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You realize how many MSQ, Side Quest and Beast Tribe Quests don't involve any combat right?

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Originally Posted by qqmoarploxify

Would having all fates give the amount of EXP that the bonus EXP fates give make them more attractive to people as a way to actually level?

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Increasing their EXP gains would make them more attractive for people to use them to level...

The question then is... Would it be attractive ENOUGH?

Given that you can just sit around anywhere and pop yourself into the Duty Finder for a dungeon. Or can just sit in South Shroud/Ruby Sea and queue up for PotD/HoH.

Meanwhile, effective FATE leveling would require moving around the zone doing FATEs, as well as moving to different zones as you reach certain levels (Made more awkward by expansions having zones last like 1-2 levels as opposed to ARR where zones would last like 4-6 levels making "Trains" more easily found and maintained)

So yeah...

FATEs need to give appropriate rewards for the time spent actually doing them.

But also, there would need to be a reason to actually be in the zone outside of the FATEs.

Since, I think that's one of the biggest flaws with Eureka. That, unless you're farming FATEs... You don't really have anything else to do. Which makes it kind of dull when you're sat around while people are AoE farming trash mobs trying to get a FATE to actually spawn.

Like, I recently leveled up a job through SB using the sidequests and it had a much better flow. As I was going around doing these side quests, whenever a FATE popped up nearby (With ToF experience bonus because that's the only time their experience is relevant for how long it takes to solo them >.>) I'd head over and do it.

It wasn't me going into the zone with the intention of farming FATEs, nor was it me chasing FATE spawns around the map. It was merely, me doing something for progression and having random FATEs be a little detour from what I was originally doing.

So yeah... I really think that, not only do FATEs need better rewards, but there should also be something that gets people into the zones outside of FATEs (Ideally, something that can be continually done as opposed to MSQ/Side Quest once and done per character)

I got most of my classes to 50 with fates and had planned on doing the same to 60 and 70, but HW fates give such a small amount of xp it isn't worth the time to do them. I really hope they do something to make fates worth doing again, but I won't hold my breath.

I liked when in SB you could get that maiden and get +50% exp for FATEs in that area until you left the area. Now it only works for the next FATE and it made them not as enticing anymore. Still, I touch them every so often when I don't feel like HoH.

These days it's faster just to speed run Palace of the Dead then doing fate grinding. I'm sure there is people out there that would prefer doing fates to get those levels but most people just wants to spam Palace of the Dead now.

Fates have the dual sin of being unrewarding AND boring.

Which stinks because good overworld content that encourages spontaneous grouping dramatically helps an MMO. GW2 for example is basically purely about fates and despite not being very deep or well balanced (leveling dungeons are harder than endgame dungeons, no real endgame, ect) it did really well when it was popular because it has highly varied fates that did stuff like change their story to include more stuff with more people, transform some of the characters involved, or split the tasks you were doing.

Like FFXIV fates are mostly just kill quests. Imagine a fate where one person for every 4 got a magitech armor able to hurt a specific enemy while everyone else protected them from mobs, or someone had to pick up and deliver something that blocked combat while being carried. Even if the rewards were bad people would still do them becaise they break up content and make things feel more varied and less grindy.

They could make it so that you have a daily fate to complete, much like the roulettes. It would break monotony and who knows, even get you to complete a fate you wouldn't even have thrown a glance.

They're good for the start of an expansion as something to do while waiting for dungeon and other roulette queues.

Yes, they could be more rewarding, but at least they're something to do as a DPS (and even level your chocobo to boot).

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Originally Posted by qqmoarploxify

Seems to really suck now. I would love to see a bunch of people doing fates like I used to back when I played in AAR. Would having all fates give the amount of EXP that the bonus EXP fates give make them more attractive to people as a way to actually level?

Also, the boss ones take way to long to do without a few people. I think they should get a nerf if only 1 or 2 people are actually doing those ones.

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I'd like to see this as well. I want to level all the DPS up eventually, and waiting in a 20-30 min dungeon queue kills the will to do it for me. And, PotD gets old after a while. I'd love to see more ways to level up if at all possible. And, I really miss the FATE-grind runs. They were so much fun back in the day. : ) Stormblood has so many awesome FATES, as well, but no one participates in them which makes doing them solo... a sad time.

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Originally Posted by hydralus

I liked when in SB you could get that maiden and get +50% exp for FATEs in that area until you left the area. Now it only works for the next FATE and it made them not as enticing anymore. Still, I touch them every so often when I don't feel like HoH.

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The Maiden idea was a miss. Most people don't even know you can spawn one of 2 rare mobs during SB FATE's that buff your next FATE's exp, so few people bother with them and their new system is wasted.

Also bonus exp for SB Fates is very poorly designed. There are numerous FATES that are 2-stage, without any indication of this. The first stage tends to give you a fraction of the exp (maybe 40-50k), however it will consume any bonus (maiden buff or Exp bonus) and the second stage will trigger without any bonus at all. It's baffling that passed through testing.

NO! NO MORE FATES IM SO SICK OF FATES ATMA ATMA ATMA ATMA EUREKA WHISPER A GO GO EUREKA AHHHHHHHH.

When I first started playing FFXIV, I thought FATEs and leves were an interesting, innovative way to level (I had just come from RuneScape mind you), though I hardly touched them anymore by the time I reached Heavensward. I felt the whole EXP bonus thing they introduced with the Stormblood FATEs was a great addition but ultimately inconsequential with how much (or rather little)it gives you. The last time I farmed fates was when Stormblood first released and I didn't use Duty Finder out of fear that I would be disconnected and subjected to a 3 hour queue to get back in the game, but nowadays I really only touch them when I'm on the absolute cusp of leveling up.
It's kind of a shame too, I like the lore tidbits that often come with them and some of the ones that come in series are spectacular (like the Dataqi Chronicles). They make zones feel a bit more alive. I'd love it if they upped the EXP a little on them, maybe throw in some additional prizes on more of them as well.

The main problem here, in my opinion, is that fates are the only source of repeatable open world group content and they aren't emphasized enough. I mean I guess you have your hunts but they aren't really the same thing in my eyes. Instanced content is great and all, and I don't think there's anything really wrong with the game at the moment but I do think that the feeling of logging on and leveling up would feel a lot healthier if you didn't have to just wait on dungeon ques to pop, or tear your eyes out with non stop potd. At the very least, perhaps let people que up for dungeons and also join groups without being kicked from que. I think this players would be more open to doing fates together if they knew they could group up to organize where they were heading and work together, but also not get kicked from their que.

Might be easier to just add either a zone based or an expansion based sub-currency akin to beast tribe tokens or Centurio Seals with fates, then after you do so many you can buy some periodically added vanity items or exchange them for the tome gear augmenting books that you can normally get with Centurio Seals. Just make the number of fates needed sort of high and not restrict the acquisition of the currency by current job level. Basically farm your augment item exchange books while leveling another job.
Say 1000-2000 currency per item, 1-100 currency per fate, with 100 currency ones being the raid level bosses, i.e. Odin, Behemoth, Couerlregina, Ixion, then 50 for the full party zone bosses. After that just drop the amount per more and more.