Green mage should be a thing!

Pretty sure most people don't remember this being a class since it was only in 2 games the whole FF history but Green Mage would be so good to include or at least try it!

Just to give more understanding about Green Mage:
Green Mage is a class introduced in FF Tactics A-2. It was for Vieras only and it was a support class that used Hammers and Maces as their primary weapon so basically blunt weapons. In the game they don't actually have any special attacks of their own. They mainly use debuffs and buffs such as basics like shell, blind, protect, silence, sleep, etc.

Now you maybe wondering what could that provide the game at all? Well here's what made me think about it.

There is only one class that uses blunt weapons in this game which is Monk and they have a blunt debuff which I thought could be utilized more and so I thought what other class in Final Fantasy has used blunt weapons? I could only think about Green Mage and Sage truth be told. (You can probably tell by now I am a big fan of tactics) Green Mages stats are also mediocre in all fields but mainly have magic attack as their highest stat even though they can't do anything with it but I thought since they share supportive abilities with WHM maybe they could finally make a Melee Healer out of Green Mage? Maybe they could make a utility dps? or a Utility tank? I don't know but I would prefer another Healer out of it maybe.

What are you guys thought? I know this is bit silly but I just thought about how cool it would be if we got another blunt class and have the power rangers of Mages complete finally.

Green mages and blunts you say? Sign me up.

When I saw the hammer, I thought it would be. Now I'm just scared it'll be a limited healer to go with BLU being a limited caster.

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Originally Posted by Gapped

Pretty sure most people don't remember this being a class since it was only in 2 games the whole FF history but Green Mage would be so good to include or at least try it!

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I‘d love them, and even more if they would introduce them with male viera in 6.0 (making a reference to ff tactics as being a viera only job there!)

So a mage that buffs / debuffs?

Green Mage is so useless they don't even count in the halls of colored mages.

Final Fantasy XIV has pretty much absorbed Green Mage into the Scholar Job, just like it has absorbed Time Mage into the Astrologian Job. I highly doubt they would implement a full Green Mage unless they completely overhauled Scholar, which is possible but unlikely. I understand Scholar and Green Mage are not 100% the same thing, but the essence of Green Mage is very apparent with Scholar... their spells are even Green.

I"m all for a hammer job, but not green mage. Green mage's kit was just drawn from things covered by other jobs, there's no point in calling it green mage, and it's not iconic to the series like black/white/red/blue are.

If they would have to basically make up a new kit for green mage they might as well use something else for the hammer job or make up another new job like Gunbreaker.

Long ago, I made a concept for Green Mage as a "trickster" tank; using a sidestep to teleport to a spot right behind a distant target, swinging a massive runed maul around as if it was made of air, having more offensive means of damage mitigation (a.k.a. lowering enemies damage dealt), and even transforming into a Biloko to steadily increase damage dealt with each attack used and steadily reduced damage taken with each hit dealt to them. The inspiration for it came from the runestones and buildings all through the areas in Dravania and wondering how a civilization of people would've lived in Dravania alongside the dragons prior to the Dragonsong War.

Given that devs effectively shot themselves in both feet when it comes to tanks, I could still see Green Mage using a similar trickster-esque theme inspired by the Sprite beast tribe we'll see in Shadowbringers as either a melee DPS (even though we have enough of those) or some sort of caster DPS (which there are better options for right now).

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Originally Posted by Gapped

There is only one class that uses blunt weapons in this game which is Monk

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Monk's aren't the only job that use blunt weapons, but they are the only ones who benefit from the debuff. MNK, WHM, BLM, SCH, and SMN all deal blunt damage. Blunt damage users outnumbered the other damage types until HW, where AST and DRK brought the slashing damage uses up to 5 as we'll. Then with SB we got SAM and RDM, who are also slashing. And now with ShBr we are getting GNB and DNC, both of who should be slashing... boy SE sure does love their slashing damage.

I thought Green Mage and Time Mage are the same job, all about buffing and debuffing spells that work over time.

I always thought the Conjurer was a green mage, you start out in a garden themed area and the first thing you do is swear to protect nature and see no harm to it...then your first quest is to go slay a bunch of animals. ^^; "I'm getting mixed signals here."

It's like you expect to come back and everyone gasps in horror, "how could you?!" "You told me too!" =T_T=

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Originally Posted by Haxaan

Final Fantasy XIV has pretty much absorbed Green Mage into the Scholar Job, just like it has absorbed Time Mage into the Astrologian Job. I highly doubt they would implement a full Green Mage unless they completely overhauled Scholar, which is possible but unlikely. I understand Scholar and Green Mage are not 100% the same thing, but the essence of Green Mage is very apparent with Scholar... their spells are even Green.

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Green Mage and Scholar share nothing similar if you actually played FFTA-2 so I'm not sure how you got that. Also scholar is completely different in the other final fantasy games as a gimmicky dps (or atleast what i know from tactics) at the end of the day I just want a character who uses a mallet truth be told.

those magic classes dont use melee attacks so bringing them up as using blunt weapons was pointless to me completely.

i don't remember green magic much but wasnt it mostly oil,faith,bravery purpose

Green Mage wasn't even useful in A2 because Gria and Juggler's existed.

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Originally Posted by Eloah

Monk's aren't the only job that use blunt weapons, but they are the only ones who benefit from the debuff. MNK, WHM, BLM, SCH, and SMN all deal blunt damage. Blunt damage users outnumbered the other damage types until HW, where AST and DRK brought the slashing damage uses up to 5 as we'll. Then with SB we got SAM and RDM, who are also slashing. And now with ShBr we are getting GNB and DNC, both of who should be slashing... boy SE sure does love their slashing damage.

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RDM is piercing.

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Originally Posted by linay

I thought Green Mage and Time Mage are the same job, all about buffing and debuffing spells that work over time.

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Speaking of Time Mage, why isn't Haste a usable spell in this game? I would think AST would be able to use it. This has probably been discussed before, but I don't really frequent the forums very often.

There are a few haste spells in the game, SCH and AST have group ones and WHM has a selfish one.

But if you're looking for the classic version, we had this discussion a long time ago. The answer really boils down to; Haste is brokenly powerful. To bring it over to a MMO environment as-is from single-player gameplay would require re-tuning all content around it. And since it would then part of every strategy for every boss ever, would it feel as powerful?

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Originally Posted by Deusteele

There are a few haste spells in the game, SCH and AST have group ones and WHM has a selfish one.

But if you're looking for the classic version, we had this discussion a long time ago. The answer really boils down to; Haste is brokenly powerful. To bring it over to a MMO environment as-is from single-player gameplay would require re-tuning all content around it. And since it would then part of every strategy for every boss ever, would it feel as powerful?

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I wouldn't think single target Haste would be all that powerful if it came with an absurdly long cooldown and short duration. You buff one DPS one time every, let's say, 2-3 minutes and have it last 5-10 seconds. Most boss fights rarely last long enough to be able to use it more than twice anyways.

Haste was a staple back in EQ, it was a requirement to have a bard to constantly play haste songs to help the party out. EQ also had/has a very different combat system than FFXIV, so it is irrelevant. (I just like EQ a lot, so I bring it up when I can.)

FFXIV does have a few hastes as others have pointed out, but they are not a constant buff, rather intermittent. The closest you get to a constant haste buff is the Astro's arrow. I you can constantly draw them and place them on the right job, it could be rather OP. But as the cards are RNG, and you will rarely ever get the same card more than 3 times in a row ... the haste becomes largely irrelevant in boss fights.

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Originally Posted by Joven

Speaking of Time Mage, why isn't Haste a usable spell in this game? I would think AST would be able to use it. This has probably been discussed before, but I don't really frequent the forums very often.

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Originally Posted by Satarn

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It has been quite some time since I played AST so I guess I forgot.

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Originally Posted by TaiyoShikasu

RDM is piercing.

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Ah right, Rapier. Forgot for a sec that even though it's a "sword" it mostly uses thrusts to deal damage.

All this aside how does one actually find the damage types for each job anyway?