FFXIV already has better character customization than Warcraft

What more do you guys want? Name some games that do it better!

Give some examples!

Please? :3

TESO has customisable sliders, tattoo/piercing options, body shape sliders... I could go on, but you get the idea.

I'm actually pretty content with the character creation in this game, though if they ever add more I'll be happy as a clam. That said there are plenty of games that do it better and WoW is not really anywhere near the top in that baseline. The Elder Scrolls Online, Phantasy Star Online 2, Black Desert Online, Blade and Soul, heck even Bless and Revelation let you play with proportions and sliders for significantly more options.

Black Desert Online has a bunch of sliders and customisation.

It also offers a handy tool to save and import/export templates and you can browse popular player made templates.

Creators in Aion or PW were quite good for their time. Also, TESO, BDO, B&S. Not about graphic (I personally find FF14 graphic the best though we do have some issues with textures), just about the whole system of changing face and body parameters.

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Originally Posted by Halivel

Creators in Aion or PW were quite good for their time. Also, TESO, BDO, B&S. Not about graphic (I personally find FF14 graphic the best though we do have some issues with textures), just about the whole system of changing face and body parameters.

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Aion was limited in the fact that you could only really create animu or korean pop idol faces unless you went off the rails goblin. B&S- also NCsoft, did the same thing. I like the body options in other games, but XIV stylistically clicks with me best. XIV's body options just feel like the scaler tool in photoshop. You get max height, and min height. No hips, leg proportions or anything that makes your body really stand out since even flat chest isn't truly flat.

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Originally Posted by JackHatchet

What more do you guys want? Name some games that do it better!

Give some examples!

Please? :3

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Star Trek Online.
Champions Online
Neverwinter [Online]
City of Heroes (dead but ahead of it's time, gear had no appearance, armor was part of your character customization.)
DC Universe Online

and while at DC Universe Online: in that game, as soon as an item becomes bound to you, it's "glamour" look is now part of your character and you can at any time just change that gear piece to that look. Best Glamour System, period.

Warcraft isn't exactly a shining example to compare to :P

Making a character in WoW is like "hm, which of these faces is the least ugly..."

Honestly I think FFXIV is one of the best in terms of being both versatile and good looking. Seen other games allow more detailed facial adjustments, body sliders, posture sliders, etc... sometimes even in addition to clothing customization. But pretty much in every other case I've found there's a cost elsewhere to visuals or versatility that isn't as good as FFXIV imo.

Like a year ago or more I tried Skyforge, the game gets boring pretty soon but the character creation was really nice, and there were butts. And muscles. Lol. You have quite a lot of customization options there. And it's a F2P.

Edit: You can even pick the standing pose of your character and the way he runs.

Overall I'm happy with the way the character creator works. All the characters I've made look really nice, because they have nice preset design pieces that look good.

I'm not bothered that other people are able to create the same or similar characters - I'm able to make them unique for me.

There are always going to be little things that aren't what you're after, but at the large scale they give a good range of options.

Perhaps it's different if you're starting with a preconceived character idea and want to recreate that idea in-game, but from the starting point of "play around in the character creator until you find something that looks nice", it's great.

WoW I think it's a bit split.

Yes, FFXIV's races have more customization than WoW's races do.

But WoW has a far, FAR greater diversity of races.

But ARR came out in 2013 and WoW in 2004 it's not exactly an achievement to have a better CC than a game almost a decade older than you. (Looking at ARR's release date since it was such a major overhaul from 1.0.)

Better in all aspects? None that I can think of.

Better in some ways? Age of Conan allows you to make much more detailed adjustments of face and body shape - not only if you are short or tall, but if you are big or thin. It also allows you to have various body markings/tattoos.

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Originally Posted by Ogulbuk

DC Universe Online

and while at DC Universe Online: in that game, as soon as an item becomes bound to you, it's "glamour" look is now part of your character and you can at any time just change that gear piece to that look. Best Glamour System, period.

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That's less about the character and more about the itemization. You can't change how ugly those faces are, your heights are fixed, facial hair is fixed to hairstyle (why male characters have like 10 times more options than female characters only having less than a dozen) and sizes are restricted to "sickly", "guido-jacked" and "swole AF". That being said, I do agree with you on the gear customization since it's like the transmog catalog in WoW but useable regardless of location.

I'm actually fairly content with the character creator in XIV. Sure, we could open up more hairstyles that are currently race-locked, but mainly because I know what I prefer to play and don't really stray too much from it.

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Originally Posted by Kazrah

That's less about the character and more about the itemization.

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This depends were you come from. Wearing a helm or mask, a lot of people wont care what their face look like, but everyone cares how their characters clothes look out of the gate, without itemization.

I agree that DCUO in particular has a different set of issues with faces, though. I still like that how their body actually looks dressed up is considered part of their character customization, and not necessary itemization (although they still lock some looks behind acquiring new gear.)

Overall, though, I'm happy with this game's face/body editing. I don't expect much drastic changes to ever be introduced to an MMO, but I also acknowledge there are lots better things out there.

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Originally Posted by JackHatchet

What more do you guys want? Name some games that do it better!

Give some examples!

Please? :3

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Those fancy waifu creators that come attached to boring unfinished MMO's and massive cash shops tend to have nice character customization...

It's not 'great' but I actually kind of like the SC VI CC, though it's not a MMO so I guess that doesn't count here.

WoW came out in 2004. They shouldn't be your measuring stick. Black Desert blows XIV away when it comes to character creation.

ESO definitely. They have a butt slider ;)

I find that all the detailed customization doesn't really matter, since this is how I see of my character in the game:
https://i.imgur.com/tSKuDv6.jpg
The only time I see it's face is in the character select screen, and that's only until I get the two clicks done.

I know that BDO character creator is popular, and I've had my small share of fun (and pain) playing with it, but I wouldn't put it as a sample of what I want my character creator to be like. I personally find BDO's extremely difficult and unfriendly to use; it's easy to mess your character up in big ways. Plus I find the hairstyles limited, even if you can deform them in the most ridiculous ways possible.

I guess I prefer Blade and Soul; it's a happy mix between FFXIV and the extreme difficulty that BDO is.

A game I love, Archeage - far better options.

WITH THAT SAID, I don't overly mind the XIV creator in XIV. I would like to see facial options unlocked within an entire race (e.g. Eyes/mouth/nose will no longer be locked to faces 1, 2, 3 4, etc - you can mix and match with all options within the race). That alone would make me quite happy and could really broaden the types of characters we see in game, all while still keeping perfectly normal appearances.

To give an idea, these were some really quick mock-ups I made a while back in MSpaint (dem skillz!):

https://i.imgur.com/lyXAcRD.png
https://i.imgur.com/yDBgHQN.png

These may not be the best examples, but they are pulling various facial features from all the faces in the race.

While I do enjoy really expansive character creators, it can also be a bit overwhelming to me as you have SO many options for what you can do.....and I want far too many! lol

Assuming you mean MMO games, OP, I'll go along with what MistakeNot said about Age of Conan. It's not as pretty as this game, but the sliders were very real.

Not MMO? Sims 3 or 4.

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Originally Posted by Ogulbuk

Star Trek Online.

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STO is why I don't want FFXIV to give too much optimization. I don't want to see deformed characters running around the world.

Instead of continuous slider, I rather prefer SWTOR's discrete sliders, which should also help with adjusting each gear to every possible option.

FFXIV has better customization then Warcraft, but Warcraft has more diverse races. In FFXIV its Hyur, short, tall, pointy ears, cat ear, horns etc. I love FFXIV, but when it comes to races, their lore, their lands and how they look, Warcraft beats FFXIV. The Xaela was a great start and my favourite part of Stormblood, Square Enix needs to give all races this treatment.

I understand not adding very beastlike races, because of redesigning armour, but we lack common stuff like more beards, tattoo's, long hairstyles, more make up options. I want to give my character blush and have different make up options. On my male character, I want to see more beards and for the love of Aidios, give us more faces!

How is this even a topic? The answer is BDO. There is not one single character creator in any game that even comes close to the level of customization that exists in that game. They could probably even sell just the character creator as it's own stand alone thing.

The character creator and glamours are 1000 x's better in this game than World of Warcraft. Their race variety however, ( Not just having different sized humans ) blows this game away. Warcraft also fleshes out in-depth lore for each race; something I'd like to see change in FFXIV

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Originally Posted by Ogulbuk

Star Trek Online.
Champions Online
Neverwinter [Online]
City of Heroes (dead but ahead of it's time, gear had no appearance, armor was part of your character customization.)
DC Universe Online

and while at DC Universe Online: in that game, as soon as an item becomes bound to you, it's "glamour" look is now part of your character and you can at any time just change that gear piece to that look. Best Glamour System, period.

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Clothes wise DC might be better due to how their system works (not actual styles thats a whole different story) but actually creating your character in that game is very very limited.

Also people complain about the Mog Station in this game, I'd hate to think of how they'd react to DC universe's selling items lol.

Tera Online also has a better looking dragon race, I wish that FFXIVs customization of the Xalea could make them look similar to that.

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Also people complain about the Mog Station in this game, I'd hate to think of how they'd react to DC universe's selling items lol.

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Just to touch on this point - F2P games have a different business model than subscription games.

*sits back in my rocker on the porch*
Back in my day, all we had to pay in a subscription game was the subscription itself - everything else was included. That has sadly changed. F2P games have to get their cash flow somewhere - enter the cash shop.

If only SE added Age and buttsliders we wouldnt be in this conversation whose better character creation :P I wanna play as a kid miqote like that brat khloe aliapoh

Black Desert Online is the only game i know that has better graphics and customization than FFXIV in DX11 w Best Settings on and with Reshade on.

transmog > a dead raccoon > glamour closet

I have to admit. I wasn't prepared for a bunch of responses full of acronyms. I only recognize a few of them. Like BDO is Black Desert Online, and STO is Star Trek Online, but man you guys had me confused, lol.

I'll have to give Black Desert Online a check just to see the character creator. It's only 10 bucks on Steam, so probably worth it just to see what's up. That's basically like paying for a fantasia.

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I have to admit. I wasn't prepared for a bunch of responses full of acronyms. I only recognize a few of them. Like BDO is Black Desert Online, and STO is Star Trek Online, but man you guys had me confused, lol.

I'll have to give Black Desert Online a check just to see the character creator. It's only 10 bucks on Steam, so probably worth it just to see what's up. That's basically like paying for a fantasia.

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Looks like there is a free 7 day trial at least, save your money for now :3

Phantasy Star Online/Phantasy Star Universe series gave more freedom in your body build. You could be a large potbellied guy or girl with a huge afro if you wanted. Its one of the few games where I could create a male character with a physical build similar to me IRL which is why it stands out to me. Well that and I also really enjoy that series.

for me, it's honey select

Is ... is this a joke thread?

Are people in this game THAT fine with having such limited options?

Do people mistake SE making it hard AF for you to make a truly ugly character for being "good" CC? Cause I have seen many people claim this game has good CC in the past ...

I could name tons of games with better CC but I'll leave it at one that was released in a comparable time frame in the MMO space.

GW2.

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Originally Posted by JackHatchet

I have to admit. I wasn't prepared for a bunch of responses full of acronyms. I only recognize a few of them. Like BDO is Black Desert Online, and STO is Star Trek Online, but man you guys had me confused, lol.

I'll have to give Black Desert Online a check just to see the character creator. It's only 10 bucks on Steam, so probably worth it just to see what's up. That's basically like paying for a fantasia.

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I would not advise that you try Black Desert Online. I played that game for majority of the past 2 years, it's incredibly P2W, blatant speedhackers everywhere, Worst Customer Support in any game, Tons of gamebreaking bugs that the GM's will not help you if it affects you (I.E. Losing ingame money due to lag). BDO puts its best assets in the beginning parts of the game designed to "Wow" the new player in, and as soon as you spend a few hundred bucks, they got you lol.

I personally find GW II's CC better, mostly because the preset body types and wide face options (they have like, 8 body types and 10 faces to choose from, something like that) can drastically change a character's appearance. ESO may have tons of sliders, but at the end of the day, none of them really matter unless you're zooming in to the character's face all the time. Also this is rather trivial, but I actually love that the character has a voice, that speaks!

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

Is ... is this a joke thread?

Are people in this game THAT fine with having such limited options?

Do people mistake SE making it hard AF for you to make a truly ugly character for being "good" CC? Cause I have seen many people claim this game has good CC in the past ...

I could name tons of games with better CC but I'll leave it at one that was released in a comparable time frame in the MMO space.

GW2.

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Ive played an mmo where your only options are color sliders. I'll take slick gameplay Im zoomed out of 99% of the time over trash waifu bait.