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1am (EST), no patch notes, and I can't sleep... So I'm just sitting her refreshing the main page and the forums...

Anyone else in the same boat?

Edit: Oh and uh, listening to music on youtube ><

I literally just got off work and saw a post about patch notes, and I was like, "oh I forgot about that." Then the post was like, "where are they?" and I was like "oh no!" lmfao.

apparently here they are, though:

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...be138f4d2a46e6

What are these changes to the ARR primals? O.o

Some I can understand, like the ones for Titan gaols in Story and HM don’t die if they’re trying to solo them and get gaoled... but the others seem like they’ve patched where level 70s could push the bosses and skip their insta-kill Ultimates (e.g., a level 70 SAM can kill Ifrit before he jumps to deal Hellfire without touching the Nails).

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Originally Posted by Patch 4.56 Notes

The following adjustments have been made to trials:

The Bowl of Embers (Normal) and The Bowl of Embers (Hard)

When Ifrit becomes immune to damage, he will now receive Invincibility status. Additional effects from weapon skills and enfeeblements can now be applied.

The Bowl of Embers (Extreme)

While infernal nails are present, dealing a certain amount of damage to Ifrit will cause him to become temporarily invincible. Hellfire can no longer be prevented by dealing damage to Ifrit.

When Ifrit becomes immune to damage, he will now receive Invincibility status. Additional effects from weapon skills and enfeeblements can now be applied.

The damage dealt by certain variants of Hellfire has been increased.

The Navel (Normal) and the Navel (Hard)

If all surviving party members are trapped in granite gaols, the battle will no longer restart. Instead, the trapped players will be released after a certain amount of time has passed and will incur damage.

Players trapped in granite goals will no longer be automatically KO'd when hit by Earthen Fury.

The Striking Tree (Hard) and the Striking Tree (Extreme)

While grey arbiters are present, dealing a certain amount of damage to Ramuh will cause him to become temporarily invincible. Judgment Bolt can no longer be prevented by dealing damage to Ramuh.

The maximum damage dealt by Judgment Bolt has been reduced.

The Whorleater (Hard) and the Whorleater (Extreme)

While gyre spumes are present, dealing a certain amount of damage to Leviathan or its tail will cause it to become temporarily invincible. Tidal Wave can no longer be prevented by dealing damage to Leviathan.

The maximum damage dealt by Tidal Wave has been reduced.

The Akh Afah Amphitheatre (Hard) and the Akh Afah Amphitheatre (Extreme)

While ice soldiers are present, dealing a certain amount of damage to Shiva will cause her to become temporarily invincible. Diamond Dust can no longer be prevented by dealing damage to Shiva.

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Also, really lol. 6 years later you finally add the invincible status to Ifrit during Hellfire? Alrighty, then lol.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

What are these changes to the ARR primals? O.o

Some I can understand, like the ones for Titan gaols in Story and HM don’t die if they’re trying to solo them and get gaoled... but the others seem like they’ve patched where level 70s could push the bosses and skip their insta-kill Ultimates (e.g., a level 70 SAM can kill Ifrit before he jumps to deal Hellfire without touching the Nails).

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Seems rather unnecessary at this point considering they're old content. I'm genuinely confused.

Oh my gosh!

https://i.imgur.com/ZhXJC7j.png?2

Finally, this will make gearing up my alt jobs much easier.

LOL. More beast tribe quests than MSQ quests.. tho most of them are probably go here, do that, go back.

I think the primal invincibility thing is to keep people from pushing the boss and K.O. ing the party if you are unsynced. For like... BLU mage spells or... trial roulette or... something?

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Originally Posted by Burningskull

LOL. More beast tribe quests than MSQ quests.. tho most of them are probably go here, do that, go back.

I think the primal invincibility thing is to keep people from pushing the boss and K.O. ing the party if you are unsynced. For like... BLU mage spells or... trial roulette or... something?

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Yeah, the MSQs are probably a bunch of mini objectives rolled into 2 main objectives. Wouldn't be the first time, won't be the last.

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Originally Posted by Burningskull

LOL. More beast tribe quests than MSQ quests.. tho most of them are probably go here, do that, go back.

I think the primal invincibility thing is to keep people from pushing the boss and K.O. ing the party if you are unsynced. For like... BLU mage spells or... trial roulette or... something?

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Idk... the wording is confusing because they say the ultimates can no longer be prevented by dealing damage. Maybe it’s just late and my brain cannot process what they’re actually saying.

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Originally Posted by Burningskull

LOL. More beast tribe quests than MSQ quests.. tho most of them are probably go here, do that, go back.

I think the primal invincibility thing is to keep people from pushing the boss and K.O. ing the party if you are unsynced. For like... BLU mage spells or... trial roulette or... something?

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Don't forget these 2 quests are setting up 5.0, so they're going to be really heavy in terms of cutscenes.

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Originally Posted by CorbinDallas

Don't forget these 2 quests are setting up 5.0, so they're going to be really heavy in terms of cutscenes.

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Don't kid yourself about these two quests, they can have you talking to several dozen npc's in almost 6 different zones, maybe with several dungeon runs inbetween.

Don't think because there are just 2 quests that there won't be a mountain of fluff between accepting and finishing the quest :p

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Originally Posted by corydor

Don't kid yourself about these two quests, they can have you talking to several dozen npc's in almost 6 different zones, maybe with several dungeon runs inbetween.

Don't think because there are just 2 quests that there won't be a mountain of fluff between accepting and finishing the quest :p

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Did I say there wouldn't be?

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

Also, really lol. 6 years later you finally add the invincible status to Ifrit during Hellfire? Alrighty, then lol.

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There's more nuance to this.

Prior to now, the original ARR primals were Invulnerable (it was unmarked, but they were) while charging and briefly after using their 2hrs. Anything you did to them during that time wouldn't count, including trying to build stacks or maintain BLM element. This change makes it so that you can still debuff them, build stacks, etc, even though they're not taking any damage.

Invulnerable means nothing happens at all when you hit them. Invincible means you can still hit them, but they take 0 damage.

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Originally Posted by Burningskull

1am (EST), no patch notes, and I can't sleep... So I'm just sitting her refreshing the main page and the forums...

Anyone else in the same boat?

Edit: Oh and uh, listening to music on youtube ><

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I totally forgot about the maintenance tonight and I honestly just wanted to log in and work on my alts, never mind the MSQ update.

But, I have plenty of boring and tedious work to do for my contract job, so I'm doing that at the moment while also listening to music on Youtube.

Currently been listening to random things from these two channels at the moment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8QnRDsqRlc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpK2uKUWBeI

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Originally Posted by Rongway

There's more nuance to this.

Prior to now, the original ARR primals were Invulnerable (it was unmarked, but they were) while charging and briefly after using their 2hrs. Anything you did to them during that time wouldn't count, including trying to build stacks or maintain BLM element. This change makes it so that you can still debuff them, build stacks, etc, even though they're not taking any damage.

Invulnerable means nothing happens at all when you hit them. Invincible means you can still hit them, but they take 0 damage.

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Good shout. Recognized the difference and the cause for change immediately. It's super frustrating if, in all the flashy effects, you fail to realize invulnerability, and suddenly your stacks end despite maintaining rotation.

Interested to see the results of the rest of the changes, tho. Dunno about the rest of the primals, but I know lately I've been seeing some well geared groups clearing Ifrit Extreme with no regard to nails, being able to push damage and kill him before it triggers the wipe. While I can sorta understand wanting to mitigate that behavior, if that's what they've enacted, will also be a bit disappointing that power creep won't be making things easier into the future.

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Originally Posted by CorbinDallas

Did I say there wouldn't be?

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sorry miss quote it was meant to be quoting the person you quoted