Paladin - Changes - My hopes - my suggestions

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Shining Soul - Cost 75 Oath Gauge - instantly raises a target player on the battle field. they will not suffer res sickness.. you suffer it for them with only 30 second timer

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Southern Cross - Ancient Paladin Sword Technique - they slice all targets in-front of them for 180 degree potency . additional effect: Shield Lob becomes empowered can bounce 2 different targets dealing more damage and enimity

76 - Northern Cross - Paladin Ancient Swordsmans Techinque - charge towards the target swirling acrobatically dashing towards the target sheild slamming then while impaling them with your sword hitting all targets in 180 degree angle 3 times. each dealing 100-120 potancy (cone aoe)
Additional effect: your next sheild slam can hits all targets in front of you however its stun duration is reduced..

78 - Full Counter - allows paladins redirect an attacked aimed at allie or themself and aim it back at the target with enchanced potency (icon of this ability changes depending what ability you countered)

80 - Guardian Angel - 480 second cool-down - when paladin dies in battle he can instantly raise himself to full hp and oath gauge. aka reincarnation

i wanted share my thoughts with you all majorly my friends think their pretty good. like your opinion

Thats 5 new abilites for the tank job that has the most actions. The real question is what would you cut or change.

that hard questions to ask. thiers alot good paladins often use as paladin their abilities we have that rarely ever use depends on boss fight we fight.

paladins need skills that that can use regularly

southern and northern cross ability grant paladin more mobility watch feel they lack... they do. the dark knight and war both have some form gap closer. and i feel giving paladin more mobility would be huge bonus

as far giving them ability raise well i they need it..so it fits their lore.

I would gladly trade shield swipe for full counter ya they do same thing but full counter does way more is more powerful of the two

A number of those seem quite OP.

I agree Pld needs a gap closer... However I think all tank gap closers should be pre 50, and they should be cool down based instead of resource based.

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Originally Posted by CelestaRosa

72 -
Shining Soul - Cost 75 Oath Gauge - instantly raises a target player on the battle field. they will not suffer res sickness.. you suffer it for them with only 30 second timer

74 -
Southern Cross - Ancient Paladin Sword Technique - they slice all targets in-front of them for 180 degree potency . additional effect: Shield Lob becomes empowered can bounce 2 different targets dealing more damage and enimity

76 - Northern Cross - Paladin Ancient Swordsmans Techinque - charge towards the target swirling acrobatically dashing towards the target sheild slamming then while impaling them with your sword hitting all targets in 180 degree angle 3 times. each dealing 100-120 potancy (cone aoe)
Additional effect: your next sheild slam can hits all targets in front of you however its stun duration is reduced..

78 - Full Counter - allows paladins redirect an attacked aimed at allie or themself and aim it back at the target with enchanced potency (icon of this ability changes depending what ability you countered)

80 - Guardian Angel - 480 second cool-down - when paladin dies in battle he can instantly raise himself to full hp and oath gauge. aka reincarnation

i wanted share my thoughts with you all majorly my friends think their pretty good. like your opinion

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Okay so pretty much all these skills are completely broken or have no practical synergy inside its tool kit.

"Shining Soul"- Paladin does not nor shall it ever need a raise. Healers and casters already have an ability to do this, we do not need anymore. Further paladin already brings more than enough utility, it doesn't need anymore. Side note, the weakness taken onto the paladin after using it, it's a complete no thanks, 9 times out of 10 the person dead on the ground stood in the bad to begin with, they can take their own weakness.

"Southern Cross"- the shield lob proc is super niche to the point it isn't needed, and assuming you meant 180 potency, it would boil down to use as an oGCD and PLD is already bloated as it is.

"Northern Cross" - as much as I would like a gap closer for paladin, with Tempered Will on it's current 3 minute cooldown. this reads as a 300-360 potency gap closer in total which is even more potent than WAR or DRK gap closer. not including the fact that it sounds like a cleave. The AoE stun effect from using this skill will most likely only see some use in dungeons or overworld mostly just niche.

"Full Counter" is completely and irrevocably broken beyond belief. Imagine intentionally taking a 200-300k tankbsuter unmitigated/solo and sending it back at boss with increased potency, that's just broken af.

"Guardian Angel"- again both broken and super niche it might as well be a third hallowed ground, second goes to the "full Counter" skill, to intentionally die just to get a full gauge while cheesing some mechanic or tank buster just doesn't seem worth and feels like further button bloat.

There is some creativity here but sadly most of which wouldn't work in practicality, or is just too overpowered, it would make balance of all tanks pretty much super difficult or create a massive power creep.

They're pretty good in the sense that they sound cool, & I like how you've tried to include bonus effects for older actions. They don't seem terribly well balanced though, especially the level 80 skill.

- Shining Soul

If Paladin had a raise I don't think it would really need any extra factors. The long cast time (Paladin has no swiftcast) and high MP cost seem penalty enough, it'd definitely be niche but I could see it saving an otherwise doomed encounter now and then.

- Southern Cross and Northern Cross

The Empowered effect on Shield Lob doesn't feel like it would be worth it. You don't specify exactly how much damage but the fact it would only hits two targets would make occasions to use it pretty rare I think.

I could see instead maybe a Shield Lob trait that makes it bounce to another enemy if the target has 90%+ HP (i.e on pull,) with Southern Cross being a weak conal AoE that receives a small boost for every target Shield Lob hits.

Northern Cross could be the "after pulling" SC booster. The gap closer, has a cooldown, hits everyone around your target, the more targets you hit the more damage your next Southern Cross does.

Would spice up Paladins boring AoE at least.

- Full Counter

Fully reflecting full attacks would be quite broken. Full Counter could work as a blocking cooldown? You block attacks during it, the more attacks you block the more it builds in power (up to a limit) that is released as an AoE when the timer runs out.

- Guardian Angel

Not sure what to do with Guardian Angel. Paladin already has an invincibility move, can't really give them another one.
Maybe a trait that allows PLD to 'store' a raise cast on them to use automatically when KO'd... Honestly not sure whether that'd be broken or useless. :confused:

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Anyway, that's my attempt at constructive criticism.

thank you for all your input and criticism just trying more creative exciting things to paladins to use. currently cd bloated their aoe rotation is kinda boring. honestly paladan needs something fresh something exciting happy

Yeah, you know, just give PLD two more effective ways to shrug off tank busters. You would never need to swap or worry about CDs. It's cool. Who needs the other tank anyways?

I expect we'll only get one or two new skills and the other things being traits to alter/buff existing skill in our leveling process of 70-80 :(

What if Full Counter only applied to Auto-attacks, removed the potency increase, the counter has the same potency as the initial attack, and is no different from Bulwark in terms of damage mitigated (Heck, it could be a straight Bulwark upgrade via Trait that allows blocks to reflect auto-attack damage while active, thus not adding an additional button)?

Would that be more workable?

I mean, vengeance already exists so it's in theory possible.

Heres what im hoping
Total eclipse is now learned at lvl 6 has aggro effect

Flash is now changed to Holy flash learned at lvl 46 magical aoe damage no aggro effect and works with Req

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Originally Posted by Duskane

Heres what im hoping
Total eclipse is now learned at lvl 6 has aggro effect

Flash is now changed to Holy flash learned at lvl 46 magical aoe damage no aggro effect and works with Req

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Gap closer.

Some way to spend Oath Gauge *OFFENSIVELY*.

A nice high damage attack. Not that I have Warrior envy, but when I hop on Warrior, hit Berserk / Inner Release and then proceed to unload 3 auto-crit Fell Cleaves, my inner Paladin just cries.
This could work very well with stance dancing, so that we could Req -> HS spam, fill the bar, then switch to tank and unleash some heavy attacks. Would work well as a dps window.

An AoE attack that doesn't suck. I like adding damage to Flash - maybe increase the radius a bit to 10yalms while we're at it. 15 would rock, but probably not realistic.
Total Eclipse is such a small AoE radius, and the potency is weak.

I think they need to rework the aggro combos for...well all tanks really. They need to do away with the concept high threat generation combos completely and instead convert one combo into a high damage but lower resource generator and the other combo a lower damage but higher resource generator and then beef up the snap aggro skills (flash, shield lob, etc) and have every offensive tank skill generate at like 1.5x threat to keep ahead of the bigger DPS numbers.

Along with this, they need to reword the Oath Gauge as noted above. I think something similar to the warrior gauge would work pretty well. Have Holy Spirit run off of the Oath Gauge, and rework Requiescat so that Holy Spirit is free cost along with the damage boost for its duration. There are obviously other reworks that would have to happen as well, like dealing with the cost of Shelltron as well as probably straight up remove stance based oath gauge generation.

As for new skills, yes shield charge needs to happen and will be really surprised if it does not. I'd rather not see much more in the utility department as I think the job has it already well covered so I don't know what else new skill wise is needed. Maybe just a high powered, long cool down oGCD attack from the FFTactics Holy Knight kit e.g. Divine Ruination.

I'd rather not have gauge have an offensive use, or at the very least, offensive and defensive uses shouldn't come from the same gauge.

I could see two gauges, sword and shield, side by side.

Hit things with your sword to build sword gauge, use your shield defensively to build shield gauge. Sw-gauge gets spent on offensive uses, Sh-gauge spent defending yourself and the party.

Eh? We already have a VERY big offensive use on our gauge! Sheltron gives you 920-ish MP on block which fuels a holy spirit. Blocks give you Shield Swipes.

If done right, you can use 2 holy spirits and skip a Royal Authority combo.

There, Offensive uses!

Adding an action that is solely "offensive" on your gauge is a very bad idea, just look at your WAR brethren that NEVER use Inner Beast because Fell Cleave. Let's not have PLD suffer the same offense vs defense syndrome.

I agree about keeping offensive skills off Oath gauge due to the take away effect it has on Sheltron/Intervention.

But at the same time I'd like to see SpiritsWithin without the HP component but instead mechanically more integrated to the kit by some other means. (Want the same for Salted Earth and DP on DRK). Recast only constraint ogcd attacks is becoming a 3.x/2.x legacy thing I feel

Also its a nitpick but I don't like single target oath growth so associated to Holy Spirit.. Its not a flaw, but wish they can get fast Oath through another means. Painful at lvl60

I'd rather not too many new actions but instead buff the PLD's current actions.

A huge one I'd love to see is Total Eclipse. I love the move for it's damage but it does need a type of aggro control effect or maybe it adds on to the oath gauge for a brand new aoe attack skill.

If that doesn't work then I'd love to see Flash get a change to some form of holy magic spell (maybe have a bunch of crystals spread when it's used) to not only get aggro but also to do damage. It could use oath gauge as well as a PLD will refill that extremely quickly during big pulls.

The final option I'd love if both of those fall through is to have an Abyssal Drain style aoe for Shield Lob. Maybe use an action to change the elements of certain attacks into holy versions and give it something like that.

AOE mob control is one of Paladin's biggest issues and I think changes like that would enhance the experience. I'm okay with no gap closer, and managing that aggro control on single targets can be handled properly (with some cooperation) but the mob aoe is an issue I'd love to see fixed especially if more Eureka style content comes in the next expac.

I just want TE to cause enmity again, an ogcd gap closer and the abolition of tank stances for all tank classes.

Interestingly, what would happen to our current spenders (Sheltron and intervention) if tank stances were removed? Because the oath gauges would be moot w.o a stanc. Hmmm

"Southern Cross" is usually meant as a demonic symbol which would basically be "dark" and something DRK would use. Flash+Holy Spirit combined would be better as to blind and damage multiple targets at the same time. Spell Reflect would be nice for those pesky mage types when Interject is on cd. Raises are sorely needed in-combat. Use all mp to raise whoever and have shield block restore mp while it is up. Full RoH combo should hit 5x and not just once. It's 5 swings, why not 5 hits? If both drk and war basically have a endless attack buff why doesn't the PLD have one?