Where is everybody getting the idea that Male viera would be "smol" or "scrawney"? I get the lore said they're difficult to tell apart when young but it seems the males lead much more "demanding" lifestyles. Wouldnt they look more like au ra in physique than something soft and small?
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03-25-2019, 07:24 PMHellSpawnHeroConfused
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03-25-2019, 07:29 PMDaralii
The HW concept art showed them being smaller, and in reality male rabbits are smaller than females.
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03-25-2019, 07:47 PMGwenorai
Honestly unsure myself. Smaller than the females, perhaps - not by a large margin. But scrawny, no. The concept of art had them anything but scrawny. When a male Viera lowers his arms - I yell timber. That's how 'thick' those arms were in the concept art. I'm assuming folks are looking into the tiny like image which had both the female and male look like they'd be under 4ft - or that concept art was possibly that of the 'children' and them showing how there's little difference between the two until they hit puberty.
Those who are thinking they would be small and scrawny are those who are wanting a child-sized/slender male Viera. Others are wanting an average height, slender yet toned male Viera - that fits with their lore more in my opinion. Aye, I want the toned and elegant/beautiful type for my bunnyman rather than small and cute. -
03-25-2019, 07:49 PMSpiritMuseDo you mean the tall, tough male or the tiny, dainty female Au Ra? Who both supposedly have the same tough lifestyle.Quote:
Originally Posted by HellSpawnHero
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03-25-2019, 07:59 PMAcornFoxIts Also an interesting racial dynamic that is missing from a lot of MMOs and games in general. They do need need to be super tiny, Just giving them half a foot would be well enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daralii
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03-25-2019, 08:01 PMDerio
They would be like the opposite of au ra. With females being taller than males and males being muscular but slim, not as bulky as male au ra or the other male races outside of Hyur.
The concept art shows it all. -
03-25-2019, 08:03 PMxbahax92Depending on the artwork you can find in the male Viera support thread, actually male viera do seem smaller than the female Viera in her idle pose. The male version seems shorter when standing straight up, but thats just an assumption.Quote:
Originally Posted by HellSpawnHero
Else its nowhere stated and its also the reason why we want to see SE's official Male Viera version! -
03-25-2019, 08:19 PMSclair0
Combination of the smol viera FATE art, and the hope for something opposite to the Au Ra.
There's also a lot of people who want "Feminine" but not necissarily smol Viera which adds to the discussion.
Personally I'd like the same treatment the Miqote got rather than the two genders being essentially two seperate races like the Au Ra. -
03-25-2019, 08:31 PMHellSpawnHero
I ultimately would like viera to have the same type of physique as Male au ra while being a bit shorter. I quite like Male au ras non existent waistline.
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03-25-2019, 08:46 PMMayon
I think it's because we had such a difference with female and male Au Ra. It would just be nice to see that work in the opposite direction.
That said, there was also some killer art that had them basically looking like longer eared Miqo'te. Not bad, but not very unique to the game. -
03-25-2019, 08:51 PMTheodric
A very vocal group of players has attempted to hijack the race to push a sinister agenda. Of those requesting such a body type, reading between the lines strongly suggests that they intend to dress their character in suggestive glamour and design them to be as young and slender as possible. Given that such would make them indistinguishable from children, it should be obvious why it would be a very bad idea.
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03-25-2019, 09:36 PMSigiria
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/14/5b...b7de5af461.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/FXuE7CS.jpg
here's the concept arts, but going for the version of the Viera female they went for, if they decided to add Viera male later on I would guess the version for the Viera male would be the one from the first concept art. (Also because it would be simpler to implement by just rehashing the elezen/aura body) -
03-25-2019, 09:57 PMLacanThat's gross, sure, but I don't see how it is any worse than people putting min. height f Miqote and f Au ra in skimpy outfits though. Au Ra especially look very young and have extremely girlish emotes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Theodric
Tbh, I'm always a bit suspicious about those guys in real life who play real tiny looking Au Ra females in game. You see them a lot, just look at the marriage hookup thread. -
03-26-2019, 02:59 AMIscahJust because people want the small cute version doesn't automatically mean they want it for a "sinister agenda", any more than people currently picking Lalafell or the daintier 'human' races do. Especially since the concept art does exist for that design, as Sigria posted above - which makes me wonder whether it would have been brought up so much if we'd only ever seen the "warrior" concept art for the males.Quote:
Originally Posted by Theodric
Though it does seem strange to me that people would keep requesting the young version after we'd seen the confirmed female design was from the other set of concept art. Perhaps they were just fixed on the one version and kept hoping for it without really thinking about how the two went together.
But still. No automatic sinister agenda. Those "young versions" are really nice character designs, and I would maybe make an alt just to look cute - absolutely no suggestive glamour involved. There are certainly a number of costume pieces that I'd like to use for something, but don't look right on my current male characters. Particularly shorts, or the sailor top (which is cute but doesn't look right on my male or female characters), or a few things that I currently use for my Elezen but I think would look better on a smaller character - though not quite down to Lalafell size. -
03-26-2019, 03:10 AMGwenoraiI'm unsure about honestly it makes me uneasy. The arguments in the thread were ranging from 'this is strange' to 'ah, I understand' - some wish the male Viera to be very small, skinny and cute. I understand the wish to be small in height and be slim. But some of their reasoning was questionable, not all, just some. Either way, I don't like it... I'm not into shota. I have zero desire to see a young (child) looking male dressed scantily. Though it seems popular to look like a cute young boy? I honestly can't see it happening anyway, the small type that is. Smaller than females, yes. A man that looks like a young boy, no.Quote:
Originally Posted by Iscah
As an add on; I think it's made worse by the idea that when a male goes through puberty most of the time you can tell. So to have a race where the males look like they haven't gone through puberty - or their version of male adulthood is to be stuck on the cusp of 'adulthood' like a padaj - it's frowned upon, as if something seems more 'wrong'. It's very weird. I can't explain. -
03-26-2019, 03:20 AMTouchandFeel
A few things regarding the "FATE art shows male Viera as smaller" statement.
1) People are translating two/three separate images (the 3 images on the left, second line down) as if they were a single image and therefore assuming that the males and female are being displayed at the same scale as if they were standing side-by-side. That's not necessarily the case and the male or female may be at a different scale and therefore appear larger or smaller in comparison to the adjacent other images.
2) Even if one were to assume that those images were at the exact same representative scale, all three Viera depicted are actually the same size and basically an optical illusion is causing people to assume the female is larger than the two males depicted.
The first thing contributing to this is the fact that the female is much skinnier than the two males, which makes her appear more elongated which tricks our brain into thinking that the individual is indeed "longer" i.e. taller.
The second thing is that the female has her head tilted back, with her face pointing up. This causes the length of the face and head to "add" to the overall perceived height along with the then altered visual placement of features such as the eyes and nose of the female appearing higher up and adding to the perception of her being taller/larger.
3) The middle male Viera appears even shorter than the other two due to the shorter/clipped ears.
If you go off of other body features as points of reference, such as hip and shoulder height, you can see all three of those Viera are basically the same height.
The main differences shown are the females are skinnier and appear more lithe while the males are broader, particularly in the chest and shoulder region. -
03-26-2019, 03:34 AMIscahI should be clear - I wouldn't want to get the "young" male Viera alongside the current female design. It seems clear to me that the tall females are supposed to match the tall warrior male design (and not just because the drawings are next to each other!).Quote:
Originally Posted by Gwenorai
But as a completely alternate concept, I would have liked the pair of young-looking Viera designs to be implemented together.
Though as I write that, it does occur to me that I'm thinking more in terms of individual character designs than a functional race.
Still, I like the idea of having a character that looks like that. And not at all scantily dressed - the outfits they're wearing in the concept art are the sort of thing I'd be finding for glamours. -
03-26-2019, 04:23 AMHash_Browns