Clearly the design choices of 5.0 new jobs has upset the community so maybe it would be helpful we understood the reason why? Would moving the details of what is to come up a month really make that big of a difference? I'm sure most of changes are in and should be ready for show and tell, and you can always add the wonderful "Subject to change" disclaimer to tweaking.
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03-25-2019, 07:24 AMDyvidMaybe SE should release 5.0 Battle Changes Summary sooner rather than later?
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03-25-2019, 08:02 AMAyer2015
They are likely not finished. The past two expansion they were working on job changes to the very end.
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03-25-2019, 08:08 AMPondHollow
4.0 Scholar wasn't finished, Warrior still had an overhaul coming, and Machinist never recovered. Kind of unlikely they'll be ready soon.
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03-25-2019, 08:08 AMVaerThey're probably not finished and I remember the last time they had that tour and everyone losing their minds (although the WHM stuff turned out to be true, it was just as bad as expected), I think they'll play it safe until May and I feel there is no way they are going to release it right now. Although maybe a short paragraph for each job explaining where they are generally heading would be nice but they've never done that before.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dyvid
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03-25-2019, 08:11 AMKalise
Having a "Subject to change" disclaimer would do little to stop the community from going absolutely ape poop crazy over anything they disliked.
To say nothing about the backlash they would get if there was also things people liked but that ended up being changed for the final release.
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03-25-2019, 08:32 AMRemediWorked so well for wow they tell me.Quote:
Originally Posted by PondHollow
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03-25-2019, 09:28 AMAyer2015I hate how the entire WoW patch story gets leaked before I play it....Quote:
Originally Posted by Remedi
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03-25-2019, 09:30 AMDyvidMaybe not the list that has all the finer details but a keynote type presentation about what is going on with tanks, healers, ranged dps, caster, melee, tp removal, etc... A broad stroke of the brush if you will.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ayer2015
Couldn't be worse than right now on the forums. Don't forget the Media Tour from 4.0 and the changes after that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kalise
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03-25-2019, 09:36 AMShurrikhanTo be fair, no matter how early the information will be released it will still be "too late" for our feedback to have any influence on. As will the course of the entire expansion itself. And most likely the next one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dyvid
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03-25-2019, 09:37 AMSebazyI'd be more inclined to suggest they get a Job design team that actively play and have some interest in the classes they work on.Quote:
Originally Posted by PondHollow
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03-25-2019, 09:40 AMDerio
No, no, no. I know for a fact that DRK, MCH, and WHM's reworks are not finished yet. So they need that time.
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03-25-2019, 09:40 AMToniRomo
I’d rather just wait a month and have them release the info when they are ready. We are playing a video game so it’s not like it is urgently needed information.
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03-25-2019, 09:48 AMSyrus718
Releasing this information early will on give people another month to cry over what they see, and I say cry because that's what is being done when theres constructive about a point you think your making but you only said this job can raise my job should raise too.
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03-25-2019, 09:58 AMShurrikhanFor a testing ground to have any impact, they would have to actually listen to its feedback, parse it, and consider the impacts of its prospective changes and how best to integrate those changes in both letter and spirit. That's not likely to happen any time soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by PondHollow
We'd more out of additional combat design staff who more keenly care about the feel of gameplay and have some real foresight for a change than from spending that money on among the most technologically inefficient ways to create a PTS, which is most likely the only way we'd get it. -
03-25-2019, 10:07 AMFawkes
I would at least like to know the scope of what they plan to do. Are they actually planning on any large overhauls? Are they just going to tweak things a little?
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03-25-2019, 10:19 AMAristotle
If they truly are making huge changes to the battle system, that might explain why we aren't getting a new healer class. For all we know the ones we already have may play entirely differently in 5.0.
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03-25-2019, 10:34 AMAomine1992
I feel as though they could let players test these new skills for a limited time obvious becuase SBs class releases were butchered.... literally the only job that came out through the chop and block was BRD lol every other class was in the garbage XD
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03-25-2019, 11:01 AMZeromon
I remember the meltdown that was the 4.0 WHM reveal before SB dropped. Stone IV was 260 potency before being dropped 250 eventually, and while that wasn't what was triggering people it was still a noted "nerf" (not really since this was never released but it felt like one). No matter what is revealed there will always be things that the community will demand be changed, and the devs will definitely NOT implement those changes (the aforementioned WHM meltdown is proof enough. Everyone, devs and other players alike, was telling people to hold off whining until changes were live. And when 4.0 launched all that "whining" turned out to be entirely founded.). Since I know the devs won't take feedback seriously until the expansion launches, and since a PTR is as likely as a 4th healer, I'd rather they not tell us what they're doing until they feel comfortable.
I'm certain that whatever they could show us in April will change, probably even drastically, come May. There's not even a guarantee that the May version will be the final version. I want whatever they show us to be representative of the final release version, so I'd rather the devs hold off showing us things until they are ready. -
03-25-2019, 11:10 AMDeceptusBecause we all know "subject to change" is complete BS. This happened before Stormblood. They showed the skills early and healers immediately brought up how bad the lily system was for WHM's and specifically why it wouldn't work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kalise
Nothing changed.
SCH brought up how insane their new MP costs were despite the fact that Aetherflow (Their MP regenerator) was being nerfed.
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03-25-2019, 11:20 AMJumquatI would rather it happen when everything is 100% because there are way to many people on edge about dancer atm to be shown an unfinished healer overhaul etcQuote:
Originally Posted by Dyvid
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03-25-2019, 01:21 PMRiyshnWhile I want to believe that's true, saying even that much at the interview yesterday would have helped a lot with the current drama around healers. Just "We're not forgetting about healers! We have other things planned for you, please wait for the Battle System info." to tell us that there's something to look forward to. Instead we basically got "It's too hard. Maybe next time."Quote:
Originally Posted by Aristotle
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03-25-2019, 01:24 PMFreyt
Last time and this time he said he wanted to go over everything at once because it's complicated and changes effect other changes so it's important to know it all at once.
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03-25-2019, 04:14 PMBonboriIt upset a few people who got too wrapped up in their own expectations.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dyvid
I fell into the same trap at first, but a minute of reflection made me realise that the support role needed attention too. Not only were there only 2 support jobs (only one of which was remotely well designed), but they had also gone without a new addition since HW.