I know people are upset, but no healer and gender-locked races are not going to change for release no matter how much you complain on the forums. These decisions are made and locked in, the development cycle is past the point where these things would be implemented and on top of all that, Square isn't going to cave to forum pressure, it's just not in their nature. Yoshida has made his choices, I know not everyone agrees with them, but as the game director they are his choices to make. Maybe we get a mid expansion healer like we got NIN, maybe in 6.0 they unlock the races, but regardless nothing is being done on the forums with this firestom other than just shouting over each other.
You will have to wait to get the things you want. Patience is a virtue. :p As Yoshida likes to say: "please look forward to it."
I hate to get in the way of a good forum firestorm but..
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03-25-2019, 05:22 AMRacenI hate to get in the way of a good forum firestorm but..
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03-25-2019, 05:33 AMPondHollow
They plan things well in advance. Looking at response times from patch to patch, easily a solid two patches at least. You're right in that regard.
However, complaints have affected their decisions, particularly when they last very long.
What we need is a deluge of complaints for at least 14 months (four patches), basically. And even then that will bleed into 6.0 development.
Before they come up with plans to implement changes, they need to be pushed to make those changes.
Blame the devs for the firestorm. It's unique in the history of the game, so if they take notice, that's for the better. Let it burn. -
03-25-2019, 05:37 AMAstrilOf course nothing is going to instantly change, they're on a schedule. But we'd like to get male bunnies sometime before 6.0, maybe a healer as well or at least a large rework. I imagine a re-work IS in the works, if nothing else.Quote:
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03-25-2019, 05:39 AMWhiteArchmage
I don't think it'll get fixed by 5.0, which is why I haven't preordered and won't buy ShB, and have cancelled my Automatic Subscription (the 6-months payment passed last week, I am not throwing that in the trash, but will unsub closer to 5.0). But I'm hoping it gets fixed a few patches in (5.4, maybe? with any luck, I'll be too busy with said Master's for 2 years and not even care about missing ShB) or in the next Expansion, in which case I'll have TWO x-pac content to care for, for the price of one, even!
A word from the devs about how they're aware of the issues would go a long way. -
03-25-2019, 05:40 AMLacan
I don't think anyone expects them to fix this before Shadowbringers comes out. That's just unrealistic/delusional. There just isn't enough time left to make such a huge change. I think most peoples' goal is to get it fixed eventually. This stuff takes time. If it takes 14 months of complaining, so be it. We've held out for longer. :v
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03-25-2019, 05:43 AMCarnivalNightsYeah, I don't think people remember the very first Live Letter of Heavensward. They said something to the degree that they started working on the next expansion pack after their vacation they took after releasing Heavensward. These decisions are years in advance.Quote:
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03-25-2019, 05:43 AMTheodric
I'm sure a lot of those complaining will tire themselves out. A lot of us are already rolling our eyes at the more...unreasonable statements being thrown around. I think the gender lock is silly, though it isn't enough to prevent me from enjoying the upcoming expansion. There's also a new content patch in a mere two days, so hopefully the forum will focus on that once all the new juicy story details emerge.
I'm very much of the mind that those complaining don't need to make everybody miserable just because they didn't get what they desire. They can put their feedback in a single, constructive thread and increase the chance of the development team taking feedback on board instead of setting fire to the entire forum. -
03-25-2019, 05:43 AMLeomoon
i mean the thing is it took a large event in game for us to not have gender locks. Who knows maybe in some event in 5.x we can get both genders unlocked at some point.
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03-25-2019, 05:45 AMSclair0
Adding something as big a race or a new class within a couple months would be crazy, but I would like Square to come out and say they don't like genderlocking and will work to implement the missing genders later. Without any such confirmation the shitstorm will rage on in both the polite "I'm dissapointed please add the stuff" way and the "I'm unsubbing this has ruined everything" way.
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03-25-2019, 05:48 AMLacanYea, at the very least an acknowledgement that they know people are upset and that they'll work to rectify it in the future would be good. I doubt they want this atmosphere carrying over into the ShB launch. I mean, we've already got news outlets talking about how fans are upset with the genderlock. Isn't exactly good publicity for them.Quote:
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03-25-2019, 05:57 AMGideon_Welles
I think it's important that there is a space for people in the community to voice their dissatisfaction. Nothing can or will happen in an instant, but the more people speak out and echo their concerns, the more the dev team realizes that it is a serious and legitimate one. I would love to have male Viera tomorrow, but that's not going to happen. However, the goal of voicing our dissatisfaction should be to have Yoshida acknowledge that many in the community are upset, and that they will either address the issue or provide a proper explanation why what we want isn't possible or practical.
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03-25-2019, 06:03 AMAstrilWe do? I think i saw one or two japanese sites saying something about it but i haven't seen any of the typical english ones..Quote:
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03-25-2019, 06:03 AMRamessesVoice of reason right there... +1.Quote:
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03-25-2019, 06:08 AMLacanhttps://matzavreview.com/2019/03/23/...ck-fans-upset/Quote:
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https://www.destructoid.com/final-fa...d-547463.phtml
https://mein-mmo.de/final-fantasy-xi...iera-hrothgar/
I never said they were about the japanese reaction? I just said that news places were reporting on the issue already. Calm down Mary.Quote:
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03-25-2019, 06:12 AMLeomoon>Using Destructoid as a sourceQuote:
Originally Posted by Lacan
Yeah I value them as much as Rock papper shotgun, you know the guys who wrote the horrible hit piece about XIV a few months back?
Not to mention you only read the title. None of these are talking about the Japanese reaction they only seem to be talking about the English speakers. -
03-25-2019, 06:13 AMRacenOne of the Naoki's room guests asked about a healer in 5.0 and was sad about there not being one, Yoshida's response after some back and forth about it was "Please enjoy the new jobs without being bound by your role." That's probably going to be the closest thing you're going to get to an acknowledgement.Quote:
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03-25-2019, 06:16 AMPentheaThe people who were around for the Shirogane launch can easily contest that claim. The storm of discontent that erupted from the community resulted in more wards being added and new restrictions on the purchasing of houses to prevent house flipping.Quote:
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03-25-2019, 06:21 AMMorbolvampireQueen6since reborn came out ive been patient waiting for summoner to become a real summoner.. did it no it didnt.Quote:
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i waited for blm to become a real mage not a god of cds did it? no
patience only rewards pain and sorrow and disappointment.. also
the max lvl will be 99 shadows is going 2 80 that means only 2 more expansions so the nxt jobs will be lvl 70 start and have only 29 lvls of fun .... newer jobs become less and less fun due 2 lvl start.
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03-25-2019, 06:22 AMRamessesNah mate, I'd take those articles with a heavy pinch of salt.Quote:
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They are all noticeably short, are not in-depth, do not actively disclose their sources and are mainly contributors with an agenda. Reminds me of the bad writers at IGN, N4g.com, and Game Informer, all three of which publish biased crap and are just extremely below par to begin with.
For starters, Famitsu, Nicoinico, Kotaku, Dualshockers and Polygon are just a very few off the top of my head that are much more accurate with their disclosure of establishing the pulse of MMO players. Also remember that there are Chinesegaming websites as well that give their own reviews. -
03-25-2019, 06:24 AMDerio
Nothing is going to change. But at the same time they wont pull a stunt like this in the next MMO or the next expansion thats for sure.
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03-25-2019, 06:25 AMRacenNone of that actually requires development time. It's just extra servers.Quote:
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03-25-2019, 06:44 AMPentheaWell this shows how much you know about what happened.Quote:
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SE changed the requirements and limitations for purchasing a house. When those extra wards were launched you could not purchase a private home if you already had one with any character on that server, and you could not purchase a fc house if any characters on that server was in a fc that already had one. On top of that they added a randomised timer to placards to prevent house flipping. Introducing all of this does require development time. -
03-25-2019, 06:50 AMDamianFatale
What we need is for them to correct their mistakes after launch.
Patch 5.0: Viera/Vii Females, and Hrothgar/Ronso Males. New Tank, and DPS.
Patch 5.1: Viera/Vii Men are added in.
Patch 5.2: Hrothgar/Ronso Women are added in.
Patch 5.3: Glasses are made visible on the new races. A new healer could be patched around this time, or in a later 5.x patch if they still have time for it. So long as they don't implement any more limited jobs.