Matsuno had nothing at all to do with the decision to genderlock Viera

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03-25-2019, 02:43 AM
Lacan

Matsuno had nothing at all to do with the decision to genderlock Viera

Wasn't sure if this had been posted here yet, and I thought we needed another topic about male viera:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...valice_series/

This is all on Yoshi. :v Can't say it was the result of Matsuno wanting to preserve the lore or anything like that. I knew my boy Matsuno wouldn't do me like that and people shouldn't have been trying to shift the blame onto him. So let's spare Matsuno our wrath.
03-25-2019, 02:45 AM
manickitty

Yup, it's good to see that Matsuno himself is aware of the issue. Hopefully that gets the right people moving.
03-25-2019, 02:46 AM
ThunderTopaz

Yoshi interview from 2013
https://www.siliconera.com/2013/02/2...jg8o6pCcXIo.99

Q38: In terms of new races, what kind of races are you looking into and will mixed races be introduced?
A38: I don’t think we’ll have mixed races for a while. Since it seems like Viera is popular around the world we have been proactively looking into this, but since having a rabbit male might be kind of weird, maybe we’ll look into having a separate race for the male counterpart.
03-25-2019, 02:48 AM
WhiteArchmage

I still got mad respect for Matsuno so never thought he had any blame in this decision, nice to see it confirmed, too. This was all hanging on that "I think Male Viera would be weird" from years ago, which is problematic in and off itself.
03-25-2019, 02:48 AM
Ayer2015

well, I guess we will just have to drown the forums until Yoshi changes his mind
03-25-2019, 02:49 AM
Ayer2015

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Originally Posted by ThunderTopaz

Yoshi interview from 2013
https://www.siliconera.com/2013/02/2...jg8o6pCcXIo.99

Q38: In terms of new races, what kind of races are you looking into and will mixed races be introduced?
A38: I don’t think we’ll have mixed races for a while. Since it seems like Viera is popular around the world we have been proactively looking into this, but since having a rabbit male might be kind of weird, maybe we’ll look into having a separate race for the male counterpart.

I really dont understand the logic behind a male rabbit race being weird but a male cat race not being.

P.S. I love your sig
03-25-2019, 02:49 AM
MrKimper

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Originally Posted by Lacan

Wasn't sure if this had been posted here yet, and I thought we needed another topic about male viera:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...valice_series/

This is all on Yoshi. :v Can't say it was the result of Matsuno wanting to preserve the lore or anything like that. I knew my boy Matsuno wouldn't do me like that and people shouldn't have been trying to shift the blame onto him. So let's spare Matsuno our wrath.

I wouldn't blame yoshida, honestly I'm more suspicious of the CEO who has had a hand in both XV and KH 3 being borderline extended DEMO's of games. Noticed how he started showing up at fanfests the moment XV seemed to be dying? and was there to promote BLU(with a costume that didn't even match the in game model)
03-25-2019, 03:51 AM
Reila_Circus

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Originally Posted by MrKimper

I wouldn't blame yoshida, honestly I'm more suspicious of the CEO who has had a hand in both XV and KH 3 being borderline extended DEMO's of games. Noticed how he started showing up at fanfests the moment XV seemed to be dying? and was there to promote BLU(with a costume that didn't even match the in game model)

I'm actually gonna agree with this, I think it was a higher-ups decision rather than the team at large. I would've also speculated they were trying something different as well, but the higher ups getting more involved seems to be the case seeing as we are only getting two classes one being a tank and one being a DPS, rather than the third being a healing class, it makes me feel like they are being rushed to get Shadowbringers out as soon as possible. But we will see, I'm still looking forward to the expansion.
03-25-2019, 03:56 AM
Freyt

The issue is that if it is a higher up, then the only option we have is the one we're taking. We can't possibly know, so we have to pressure the person we know has the most authority so they can redirect that pressure to the one who has ultimate authority over them.
03-25-2019, 03:58 AM
DarkMasamune

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Originally Posted by Lacan

Wasn't sure if this had been posted here yet, and I thought we needed another topic about male viera:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...valice_series/

Thank you. I thought it could be a legit reason but its good to see Matsuno shining light on the matter. :)
03-25-2019, 04:05 AM
Serenno

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Originally Posted by Freyt

The issue is that if it is a higher up, then the only option we have is the one we're taking. We can't possibly know, so we have to pressure the person we know has the most authority so they can redirect that pressure to the one who has ultimate authority over them.

That's what I was thinking. If the dev team really tried to make it happen but couldn't due to the higher-ups, they probably expected this backlash and could use it to sort of force their hand. But that's in the best case scenario if they really want to bother undoing the genderlock.
03-25-2019, 04:06 AM
J-Reyno

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Originally Posted by WhiteArchmage

I still got mad respect for Matsuno so never thought he had any blame in this decision, nice to see it confirmed, too. This was all hanging on that "I think Male Viera would be weird" from years ago, which is problematic in and off itself.

People are ignoring and handwaving this, but it's true.

It reminds of how men on the dev team (of majority men) wouldn't work on the bunny outfit for male characters because it made them... "uncomfortable".

Very problematic.
03-25-2019, 05:00 AM
Lilseph

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Originally Posted by manickitty

Yup, it's good to see that Matsuno himself is aware of the issue. Hopefully that gets the right people moving.

He only said he had nothing to do it. I read it more as in "not my problem, lol". I don't think this will create any kind of chain reaction. He only wanted to clarify that and imagine, it's the most reasonable thing to do. With how ballistic this community gets over a trivial subject, I wouldn't want my twitter getting nuked by that angry mob.

Or wherever place they find to attack him.
03-25-2019, 05:11 AM
Racen

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Originally Posted by Ayer2015

well, I guess we will just have to drown the forums until Yoshi changes his mind

This isn't going to happen.
03-25-2019, 05:18 AM
Lacan

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Originally Posted by Racen

This isn't going to happen.

Pretty sure people said that about roegadyn and miqote too. Seriously, check the threads from 1.0. No reason to believe this isn't reversible.
03-25-2019, 05:25 AM
MrKimper

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freyt

The issue is that if it is a higher up, then the only option we have is the one we're taking. We can't possibly know, so we have to pressure the person we know has the most authority so they can redirect that pressure to the one who has ultimate authority over them.

This issue is that this has been a problem with square recently, I think around since Yosuke Matsuda took over as CEO. I know he made several statements about wanting to produce games that rank highly in western markets and a lot of the trends recent games have been taking, feeling of being rushed but fixed with DLC(KH 3 is a BIG boy here) might be due to a change in his business strategy. I wouldn't put it past them to delay male and female viera's until 6.0 just to drum up hype about it.
03-25-2019, 05:31 AM
Barraind

I've found a lot of the arguments to be kinda strange from a few standpoints.

If you take the lore argument, it has a lot of challenges, given that you can argue the lore has to be smashed to smithereens to allow Viera PC's of either sex. Oh, you left the forest? Cool, you're exiled. Also you lost a huge part of your identity since you cant communicate with the woods. Also you're probably going to go batshit crazy when around magic users because of that mist-sensitivity ("mist" in that world being how magic worked). And if you ever come back, you're at best shunned and at worst murdered on sight.

Meanwhile, if you go "We didnt want to have guy bunnygirls", then it comes down to an actual, defendable position of "I make the game and I didnt want this". Congrats, thats a good stance to take.

(Its also odd that people really excited about male bunnies thought they would be soft or feminine given how theyre described and how physiology works)

Its one of those things where being coy earns you nothing, because people who would defend "I decided on X" think you're taking the piss, and people who would shout RACISTHOMOPHOBICTRANSPHOBICRUINEROFMYCHOSENCURRENTIDENTITY will shout that regardless.
03-25-2019, 05:35 AM
Astril

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Originally Posted by MrKimper

This issue is that this has been a problem with square recently, I think around since Yosuke Matsuda took over as CEO. I know he made several statements about wanting to produce games that rank highly in western markets and a lot of the trends recent games have been taking, feeling of being rushed but fixed with DLC(KH 3 is a BIG boy here) might be due to a change in his business strategy. I wouldn't put it past them to delay male and female viera's until 6.0 just to drum up hype about it.

The game is already kinda popular over here. That isn't drumming up hype its just annoying as hell and a shady practice.
03-25-2019, 05:38 AM
Endeleon

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Originally Posted by J-Reyno

People are ignoring and handwaving this, but it's true.

It reminds of how men on the dev team (of majority men) wouldn't work on the bunny outfit for male characters because it made them... "uncomfortable".

Very problematic.

It's such a bad look. Like.... wow. Unbelievably bad look.
03-25-2019, 06:08 AM
KikoriL

Dear Yoshi

https://i.imgur.com/8oi1FKM.jpg

That is all.
03-25-2019, 06:33 AM
MrKimper

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Originally Posted by Astril

The game is already kinda popular over here. That isn't drumming up hype its just annoying as hell and a shady practice.

"Devs respond to outcry of more inclusive races in a bold move that solidifies the XIV dev team as truly being aware of their fanbases needs" something like that to an extent, again just a tin foil hat but I wouldn't put it past them.

That or they'll go the XI route and just write themselves further into a lore corner and never release them.