Scholar Speculations - Nerfs and New skills

Eos - is getting nerfed.
Selene - is getting Buffed ( have more a bard feel give more party wide buffs)

now for new skills

lvl72 - Summon Titania - (only get this quest after you beaten titania primal)

Titania is a tank pet with healing abilities - only pet that can attack targets has a paladin like feel to it to help scholars solo betters. while increasing damage over time effects the scholar does while holding aggro

Titania is not group friendly

Still learns - embrace- but its main job is asborb hits and protect the scholar from damage

Abilities
Guardian Blade - Delivers an attack with a potency of 85.
Additional Effect: Increased enmity.

Queens Justice - Delivers an attack with a potency of 70 to all nearby enemies.
Additional Effect: Increases Damage done by broil.bio, maisma, maisma 2 and shadow flare by 10% for 20 seconds
Additional Effect: Increased enmity.
When Obey is active, will only execute upon command.

Gaurdians Sheilds - Covers the scholar reducing all damage dealt and emnity dealt by 20% transfers it to titania

Embrace - (we all know what this does)

this is main thing here thou honestly cant think any other abilities at moment cause scholar atm is quote strong.

Temperus End - Deals 400 Damage too a target or heal a target for 400 potancy
Resets dots if used for damage
Resets the cooldown if used as healing
Aetherflow other types of abilities but mainly aetherflow thats more lustrates
has 180 second cooldown
Instant cast

this ability to me is very strong its lets the scholar reset the cooldown for aetherflow allowing them to use thier stacks more often while being able to heal or damage.

really cant think of much here like said scholar is really strong. its hard to think of stuff for class extremely stable in alot of ways then one just lot different aspects to think about

Healers don't have survivability issues in solo content. Not even close. Absolutely no need for a tank pet.
I personally don't know what they have in store for shb, they seem to want to separate MT/OT duties so maybe we'll see more niche healing for each healer. I feel like SCH will get more mitigation tools but nothing as far as direct healing goes.

WHM's Lily mechanic was an example of adding in abilities that are counter productive to most actual situations within the game.

EaMett is spot on, adding a tank pet for SCH is just inviting more of the same problems.

I love the idea of adding Titania as a third fairy, though I'm not sure what form she could take.

I'd have thought it would be more likely they'd add Lilac as the third faerie. I know SMN and SCH both come from ACN but with Titania being a primal that's more SMN field than SCH.

Maybe split the faeries by heals/shields/other utility buffs.

Love the idea of a third fairy. Hate the implication that it should be solo focused.

I'd love a passive ability that gives a small, raid-wide buff depending on what fairy you have out.

i hope eos doesn't get nerfed she already near worthless in 60+ stuff

I was thinking of Titania as a lvl 80 ability that is summoned, but many of her abilities in FF lore are whm related with Holy spells, and even some casting spells such as fire, water and flare. The healing aspects would also have to be unique to not be just some better version of Eos.

I would like to see them expand on all of the healer dps abilities and add perhaps 1 or 2 healing moves because we know they are going to gut some abilities.

I would like to lean in on the mitigation and shields.

- Improve the dmg mitigation of Sacred Soil depending on outgoing dmg. Something along 50% dmg reduction for room-wide AoEs versus 25% for tankbuster/auto(s). So that it's not overshadowed by Excog or Indom, but can work alongside them.
- An ability that makes the next spell used auto-crit. Can be used as a DPS increase, or to allow us to deploy-adlo strategically.
- Eos: An AoE MP refresh. Also a physical variant of Fey Covenant.
- Selene: A DoT or debuff extender?

A boy can dream, right? :P

I would like a oGCD shield close to benison. That would be awesome

I want my pet to be part of my Scholar and Not separate like an extra party member. Make them stick to me and cast and not get hit by aoes that nearly kill them causing them to stop and heal themselves, make me stop and heal them, or resummoning them cause they died making me stop healing my party all the same.

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Originally Posted by MorbolvampireQueen6

i hope eos doesn't get nerfed she already near worthless in 60+ stuff

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You mean the fairy that actually brings a useful toolkit to the party, and on low cooldowns to boot. Whispering Dawn is still a powerful regen with high uptime and Illumination benefits to co-healers, not to mention can produce stronger barriers. Eos is far from useless in 60+ stuff, you may just not know how to use it correctly.

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Originally Posted by Kurando

You mean the fairy that actually brings a useful toolkit to the party, and on low cooldowns to boot. Whispering Dawn is still a powerful regen with high uptime and Illumination benefits to co-healers, not to mention can produce stronger barriers. Eos is far from useless in 60+ stuff, you may just not know how to use it correctly.

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the only thing useful about eos is her heal buff and magic defense buff, the magic defense is also as useless as paladin's cover being only physical was. To top it off fairy potency is less than 50% of that of a normal healer making whm regens and astro regens more effective then eos. all the time.

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Originally Posted by Nathanial

. To top it off fairy potency is less than 50% of that of a normal healer making whm regens and astro regens more effective then eos. all the time.

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Well obviously but the fairy heals are free, they cost nothing but a cooldown to use. A healer usually isn't going to waste MP casting a Regen if it isn't required when they could have higher DPS uptime instead, and if the fairy Regen can keep the party topped up instead then it seems to work just fine to me. There was no suggestion the fairy was a replacement for a healer, but SCH is often touted as being OP BECAUSE of the fairy to begin with.

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Originally Posted by Kurando

Well obviously but the fairy heals are free, they cost nothing but a cooldown to use. A healer usually isn't going to waste MP casting a Regen if it isn't required when they could have higher DPS uptime instead, and if the fairy Regen can keep the party topped up instead then it seems to work just fine to me. There was no suggestion the fairy was a replacement for a healer, but SCH is often touted as being OP BECAUSE of the fairy to begin with.

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A medica 2 regens more than whispering because it gets full potency. a fairy gets 50% less potency. the skill will say its 45 potency heal but the actually amount it heals is equal to 23 potency to a player.

Phoenix as a pet that can cast a Raise or go home. Don’t @ me, bruh.

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Originally Posted by Nathanial

A medica 2 regens more than whispering because it gets full potency. a fairy gets 50% less potency. the skill will say its 45 potency heal but the actually amount it heals is equal to 23 potency to a player.

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However Whispering Dawn ticks at a higher potency than Medica II and the total HoT potencies on both are extremely close. The difference is usually enough that a Succor or letting the Fairy Embrace people till the next mechanic will cover it.

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Originally Posted by Lozza

I'd have thought it would be more likely they'd add Lilac as the third faerie. I know SMN and SCH both come from ACN but with Titania being a primal that's more SMN field than SCH.

Maybe split the faeries by heals/shields/other utility buffs.

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Urm... why should a summoner.... get a fairy please enlighten me wouldn't that be just salt for you scholars be limited 2 pets. and then summoner gets a fairy

Titania is the fairy queen

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Originally Posted by CelestaRosa

Urm... why should a summoner.... get a fairy please enlighten me wouldn't that be just salt for you scholars be limited 2 pets. and then summoner gets a fairy

Titania is the fairy queen

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Because Primals are not fairies. Not that I agree SMN should get Titania, but in terms of the lore SCH pets are different to SMN ones.

I just want to have something like "Gambit System from FF XII" to manage our pet.
So I can set the fairy to always priorities embracing the tank, followed by healer as the second priority and DPS as the last priority.
Also, please replace Silent Dusk with something useful.

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Originally Posted by Nathanial

the only thing useful about eos is her heal buff and magic defense buff

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Originally Posted by Nathanial

the magic defense is also as useless as paladin's cover being only physical was.

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...so which one is it? Useful or useless?

I’d say its fairly useful, considering all raidwide AOEs are magical damage... I’m not a SCH main, nor do I play the job as often as the other two healers, but I know it’s extremely useful mitigation for Ultimate with all the magical AOE damage going out (on top of mitigating Ultima Weapon’s autos to the main tank, since they are also magical).

I’m sure it’s also fairly useful in O12S as well, considering Ion Efflux is something that has to be mitigated in some way to survive in most instances.

We’ve had more info since my initial post so let me revise my prediction. I expect scholar to get more direct healing abilities. I wouldn’t be surprised if we were no longer the mitigation class and if healers were all homogenized around the board.

Faerie raking will be nerfed into the ground. Don’t expect eos to account for more than maybe 20% of your healing when highly optimized.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

...so which one is it? Useful or useless?

I’d say its fairly useful, considering all raidwide AOEs are magical damage... I’m not a SCH main, nor do I play the job as often as the other two healers, but I know it’s extremely useful mitigation for Ultimate with all the magical AOE damage going out (on top of mitigating Ultima Weapon’s autos to the main tank, since they are also magical).

I’m sure it’s also fairly useful in O12S as well, considering Ion Efflux is something that has to be mitigated in some way to survive in most instances.

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Do you remember Foresight? The MDEF buff works in a similar manner as it where the actual effect is worth maybe a third of what it's supposed to be worth in most cases because how direct defensive stat scaling works in this game. It's still good, particularly because of its duration, but it's closer to Devotion than Bole in terms of actual damage reduction.

Made this in another thread but I'll post it here too since its about SCH.

I'm surprise there aren't a lot of Scholars in FF games for reference here. FFXIV's version has three main characteristics; Shield, Fairy, ACN abilities.

Obviously Shields are what define SCH so it should be untouched with maybe tweaking mp cost.

Pet A.I. needs to be overhauled with Fairy included. Embrace should be considered as an auto attack and all spells changed to instant abilities (Sorry SMN still suffers from this plague if SCH has already been fixed). Furthermore using abilities should take priority over movement, meaning the Fairy would stop, cast ability, then continue moving. Selene's skill set also needs work; Silence and Fey Caress. If I'm wrong please correct me here but seem like trash abilities that could be used for something else.

Lastly we come to ACN and trying to move it away from what SMN has. Traits can do this with great effect. Part of me says get rid of DoT and part says keep them. Maybe change / combine them into two different spells that apply a DoT and debuff like lower attack damage? I think Aetherflow is a good tool and should stay. I would love to see Libra added but since telling a monsters weakness would be a laughable skill, have it lower defense? I also liked Chain Stratagem that makes to SCH feel more like a tactician using books.

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Originally Posted by Dyvid

Obviously Shields are what define SCH so it should be untouched with maybe tweaking mp cost.

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Nope, nope, and nope. Completely false. Fake news.

oGCDs define Stormblood Scholar, hence the high MP cost of GCD skills. Shields do not define the job. Aetherflow, Excog, Indom, free Whispering Dawn define the job today.


Unfortunately they put themselves in a corner making raids adaptable to mostly oGCD healing, and sometimes a Succor is a necessary evil. They kind of need to get back to the idea of actually making it worthwhile to use Succor/Adlo. Nowadays auto-attacks are more evil than tank busters.

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Originally Posted by CelestaRosa

Urm... why should a summoner.... get a fairy please enlighten me wouldn't that be just salt for you scholars be limited 2 pets. and then summoner gets a fairy

Titania is the fairy queen

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Titania's a primal that's considered a queen by a beast tribe- she's more like King Moggle-Mog than anything in that regard. Scholar fairies are like the anima you grow during the HW relic quests in that they're artificial souls wrapped in a shell made of aether and bound to the soul crystal. They also only have the one fairy, Lily, with Eos and Selene basically being two different stances. Doing something more with that concept(fairy stance dancing, assuming it's responsive) is a direction they could take the job that would also help give it an identity beyond shields, but we'll see.

The greatest problem sch has that makes him op is sacred soil indo fairy and crit shields. Fairy is a free Regen the entire fight with extra abilities, indo on a short cd and it’s a ogcd so you can weave it in after you use ruin 2, crit shields do make a lot of abilities obsolete ( uwu is the best example when you can cheese the first ultima mechanic with a crit also spread. And you have sacred soil and yes it costs aether flow but is a 10 % dmg reduce with a short cd to and the only other healer that can do it has it on 90 sec cd.

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Originally Posted by Mortex

The greatest problem sch has that makes him op is sacred soil indo fairy and crit shields. Fairy is a free Regen the entire fight with extra abilities, indo on a short cd and it’s a ogcd so you can weave it in after you use ruin 2, crit shields do make a lot of abilities obsolete ( uwu is the best example when you can cheese the first ultima mechanic with a crit also spread. And you have sacred soil and yes it costs aether flow but is a 10 % dmg reduce with a short cd to and the only other healer that can do it has it on 90 sec cd.

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Fairy being free is absolutely irrilevant, other spells (which you don't have to use) cost more mana for that reason. Fairy being a smart heal is what makes it strong - it is a hot without it's target restriction and overhealing. (though such a mechanic is vastly superior in a world where you do not have to cast healing spells)

Critshields are on average less single-target absorb then noct ASTs single-target shields (that's also the reason they buffed Succor at one point to match Helios' absorb). Deployment tactic of crit shield is what's broken - but it is still a random factor to get it when you need it. DT is the real problem (i'd bet on it being removed in ShB), random crit shield only enhances it.

Aetherflow abilities are completely balanced (on paper). You will only ever get four per minute. That's at most 2 Indoms, 1 Excog, and one Sacred Soil. The more correct statement here though is: You only ever need four Aetherflow charges per minute. There is too little healing required for you to ever meet the Aetherflow restriction. Once again, the problem arises from there being nothing to heal.

FFXIVs healer are not balanceable. WoW healers are balanced with one factor primarily: Healing Done with roughly 5-6 buttons per spec (plus "superior" raid cooldowns). FFXIVs healer are balanced around: oGCD healing, (hypothetical) GCD healing toolkit (totalling ~14 healing buttons per job), personal DPS, DPS raidbuffs. Further, DPS is tied to the healing abilties (less casted heals is more casted spells), and healing abilities are in return tied to encounter design (require more casted spells, cast less DPS spells).