Eureka Hydatos and BA (probably a simple solution)

I dont know if this idea was posted already or if they already came with something like that.
my english kinda sucks, im sorry for that.

So i completed the storyline of Eureka and tried some runs of BA, still didnt complete it, leaving behind some salty moments and long queues just to get the full discord in a single instance.

An idea came to my mind while thinking about the main issue: Portals
why i think they are the main issue? because they aren't class/role locked and because of that ANYONE can enter, making so that you are kinda forced to run BA with a party to be sure that you are inside with the optimal roles and classes.

Changing the portals from simply unstable and stable to:
Green > Healers
Red > Dps
Blue > Tanks
White > Anyone (but only after 10 min and if no one used the portal)
this will let anyone of that role join, will also always lift the problem of having too many dps or no healers at all that will make almost impossible even to try the BA in the first place.

For the missing roles such as Healers and Tank, The instance Is still the same so you can pretty much shout and ask someone to join, the portale wont disappear and one can simply change Class and give it a try, you cant in BA but you can do it at the Crystal.
Also after, idk, 10 mins the portals will become White and any role can access them. This means that the buff obtained from Onvi will last 15 min If so.

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Originally Posted by Shamsiel

So i completed the storyline of Eureka and tried some runs of BA, still didnt complete it, leaving behind some salty moments and long queues just to get the full discord in a single instance.

An idea came to my mind while thinking about the main issue: Portals
why i think they are the main issue? because they aren't class/role locked and because of that ANYONE can enter, making so that you are kinda forced to run BA with a party to be sure that you are inside with the optimal roles and classes.

Changing the portals from simply unstable and stable to:
Green > Healers
Red > Dps
Blue > Tanks
will let anyone of that role join,
this will always lift the problem of having too many dps or no healers at all that will make almost impossible even to try the BA in the first place.

I dont know if this idea was posted already or if they already came with something like that.

my english kinda sucks, im sorry for that.

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Not a bad idea. Would help ensure that groups can be more balanced. Because if you don't have 6 tanks and 3-6 healers you're not going to have a chance of completing the run.

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Originally Posted by Shamsiel

So i completed the storyline of Eureka and tried some runs of BA, still didnt complete it, leaving behind some salty moments and long queues just to get the full discord in a single instance.

An idea came to my mind while thinking about the main issue: Portals
why i think they are the main issue? because they aren't class/role locked and because of that ANYONE can enter, making so that you are kinda forced to run BA with a party to be sure that you are inside with the optimal roles and classes.

Changing the portals from simply unstable and stable to:
Green > Healers
Red > Dps
Blue > Tanks
will let anyone of that role join,
this will always lift the problem of having too many dps or no healers at all that will make almost impossible even to try the BA in the first place.

I dont know if this idea was posted already or if they already came with something like that.

my english kinda sucks, im sorry for that.

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the reason you generally dont have enough healers is because people dont want to go as healers. Those will just be empty slots. Also, logograms gives you ways to shore up missing things.

It can made balance pt sure but it still doesn't solve the problem of objective of the run.

This isnt a full solution to the problem, Im pretty aware of it, but it can solve the problem with party balance and can let BA be more a randoms and eureka only area.
Just to join BA you need a discord Group and you need to organizer 56 players to be in the same instance. If the instance itself Is pretty full, i doubt that 56 players wont give it at least a try.

For the missing roles such as Healers and Tank, The instance Is still the same so you can pretty much shout and ask someone to join, the portale wont dissapear and one can simply change Class and give it a try, you cant in BA but you can do it at the Crystal.
Also after, idk, 10 mins the portals will become White and any role can access them. This means that the buff obtained from Onvi will last 15 min If so.

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Originally Posted by Shamsiel

This isnt a full solution to the problem, Im pretty aware of it, but it can solve the problem with party balance and can let BA be more a randoms and eureka only area.
Just to join BA you need a discord Group and you need to organizer 56 People to be in the same instance. If the instance itself Is pretty full, i doubt that 56 players wont give it at least a try.

For the missing roles such as Healers and Tank, The instance Is still the same so you can pretty much shout and ask someone to join, the portale wont dissapear and one can simply change Class and give it a try, you cant in BA but you can do it at the Crystal.
Also after, idk, 10 mins the portals will become White and any role can access them. This means that the buff obtained from Onvi will last 15 min If so.

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They usually show no interest unless a discord pt is there already then they start asking if there are free spot

This Is simply the mindset of needing Discord to even entering it. Imposed by the community because they ''owned'' the instance.

If the discord party keeps harrassing the players that want simply try instead of inviting them to join, i can understand that after some time no one would even care anymore.

Im well aware about how usefull and sometimes mandatory discord or program such as can be, doing Savage without would be a nightmare. But this Is to the Level of rabanastre or labirinto of ancients content, with the raise turned down to a mere %.

Simple solution would be "Oh you finished the Eureka story line? Here's a trial unlocked for you to queue into."

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Originally Posted by Shamsiel

This Is simply the mindset of needing Discord to even entering it. Imposed by the community because they ''owned'' the instance.

If the discord party keeps harrassing the players that want simply try instead of inviting them to join, i can understand that after some time no one would even care anymore.

Im well aware about how usefull and sometimes mandatory discord or program such as can be, doing Savage without would be a nightmare. But this Is to the Level of rabanastre or labirinto of ancients content, with the raise turned down to a mere %.

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Once again, discord link are given out freely who those who ask as long as they follow the rule of the channel. There are plenty of instance with no BA group and no one bother to go in. The very same player would only go in when there are BA group around. They are angry why no one invite them so they decide to snipe portal but what they don't think about is: Why can't they do the same and join up in party before going in? People in discord are willing to wait hour so they can get a good team running, why can't pug do the same? They believe their time is more valuable than the one in discord.

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Originally Posted by Physic

the reason you generally dont have enough healers is because people dont want to go as healers. Those will just be empty slots. Also, logograms gives you ways to shore up missing things.

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While there are curative logograms other roles can use, they will prove to be a hinderance once you reach AV and Proto-Ozma, where you want your DPS going as offensive as possible to meet the DPS checks (AV has a roughly 7-minute enrage, and Ozma ~10:30 — and they’re both fairly hefty HP sponges). Not having healers also ensures there is no way to revive anyone who dies, as only healers can carry Sacrifice L.

I think the portal idea is a decent one, but I also think they should just separate BA from Eureka entirely OR offer a way to queue up for it specifically via Duty Finder. At least give premade groups an easier time getting into the same instance—I’ve spent more time queuing>withdrawing>requeuing than I have in the actual content.

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Originally Posted by Xellos2099

Once again, discord link are given out freely who those who ask as long as they follow the rule of the channel. There are plenty of instance with no BA group and no one bother to go in. The very same player would only go in when there are BA group around. They are angry why no one invite them so they decide to snipe portal but what they don't think about is: Why can't they do the same and join up in party before going in? People in discord are willing to wait hour so they can get a good team running, why can't pug do the same? They believe their time is more valuable than the one in discord.

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Im not saying that you are wrong, im concern about the time spent NOT playing the actual game, instead Is wasted doing queue and queue to get in the same instance with other players, Im not enjoing the game while im stuck with the queue System to join.

Also my intent Is to keep the party balanced even with the snipers around.

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Originally Posted by Shamsiel

Im not saying that you are wrong, im concern about the time spent NOT playing the actual game, instead Is wasted doing queue and queue to get in the same instance with other players, Im not enjoing the game while im stuck with the queue System to join.

Also my intent Is to keep the party balanced even with the snipers around.

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You know I used to think like you. I was thinking how come i can't go to farm flask and look for pt inside after ufo is killed. That very same ideal was smashed to thousand of pieces once i step foot inside, a cruel and grim reminder how bad average casual players can be. Remember how many peoples die every round during the iron golem fight in 2nd 24 man? Once i got into the discord group i almost never look back beside one time after ufo is killed, some people want to go in to try and i was thinking, i can always use more seal after art and owain and i joined. the other went to Art wipe before even seeing the twin spear.