ff12= ff14

Hello

I just started rabanastre and monastery quest line raid 24

and hmm,
is ff12 in ff14?

I meant there is mention of ivalice, and also ff12 and ff14 share the same kind of bad evil star wars empire under heavy armor and face helmet with big iron horn, and same kind of magitek ship and so on.

Also there is fran who directly act in the story of the quest, (i never liked ff12 btw)

and Fran is not just a random guest for fun, like we got vivi for hilidebear story
(btw i wonder if it worth to continue, cause, i dont feel very hyped by the story, the gag are kinda a remake of the first story that i liked, even did a topic on it that no one care here lol, but seeing the progression, i miss the sherlock holmes guy and this inquisitor replace him very badly, also antagonnist are funny at start, but start to become really heavy joke not really funny. so should i continue? also it is lack it miss something from first tale, dont know)

So is Ivalice is in ff14, meaning ff12 existed in eorzea univers but not anymore?

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Originally Posted by Kazhim

Hello

I just started rabanastre and monastery quest line raid 24

and hmm,
is ff12 in ff14?

I meant there is mention of ivalice, and also ff12 and ff14 share the same kind of bad evil star wars empire under heavy armor and face helmet with big iron horn, and same kind of magitek ship and so on.

Also there is fran who directly act in the story of the quest, (i never liked ff12 btw)

and Fran is not just a random guest for fun, like we got vivi for hilidebear story
(btw i wonder if it worth to continue, cause, i dont feel very hyped by the story, the gag are kinda a remake of the first story that i liked, even did a topic on it that no one care here lol, but seeing the progression, i miss the sherlock holmes guy and this inquisitor replace him very badly, also antagonnist are funny at start, but start to become really heavy joke not really funny. so should i continue? also it is lack it miss something from first tale, dont know)

So is Ivalice is in ff14, meaning ff12 existed in eorzea univers but not anymore?

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It's not connecting the games making FFT take place in FF14. They basically took the story of FFT and some stuff from FF12, reworked it, and made it fit the lore of FF14. So the games are not "connected" like say FF13 and FF13-2 are, just highly referenced.

Basically, Hydaelyn has its own incarnation of those areas. Similar but entirely separate.

It is important to note that the FFXIV-Ivalice is not the FFXII-Ivalice.
They've been heavly borrowing from FFXII, thats true - but "our" Ivalice has no connection from what you know from FFXII.

Same holds true for most other refrences from other (FF)-games: Even if they're closely resembling the original game, they're never excatly that. What is true in FFXII doesnt has to be the case in FFXIV aswell.

I kinda would love a license system in online play though lol

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Originally Posted by Vidu

It is important to note that the FFXIV-Ivalice is not the FFXII-Ivalice.
They've been heavly borrowing from FFXII, thats true - but "our" Ivalice has no connection from what you know from FFXII.

Same holds true for most other refrences from other (FF)-games: Even if they're closely resembling the original game, they're never excatly that. What is true in FFXII doesnt has to be the case in FFXIV aswell.

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yes i suppose

but i dont like when they do that, cause it gives confusion, and do a melt of several univers which have no real link together, why fran? why not another caracter.

I mean ok in soul calibur 2 heihachi come from a dimensionnal portal, that give some sens even if it is easy way to give.

But taking entirely a character from another game and put it here, with no real reason, and another story, it is just weird. ok vivi is in hilidbrand story but hilidbrand is like a side dream joke

thx for answer

If you're speaking of the HW Hildibrand story it's sort of like that because SE wasn't going to do his story for HW but a lot of fans wanted it since it was teased that he was flying in that direction. Also the later part of the HW Hildibrand story gets better and Cyr gets better. If you want the story that has the other detective from the ARR storyline you'll have to go and to the Scholasticade. I want to say you have to talk to the npc in the left wing of the church. If not there then inside the left building at the top of the pillars.

The 24man is kind of a love letter to Tactics and XII without them being connected to 14.

Fran was brought in to be a tease for the Viera that and she does have a large fan base.

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Originally Posted by SannaR

Fran was brought in to be a tease for the Viera that and she does have a large fan base.

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woo really?

i dont find this character very interesting, beside the 12 was one of the worst ff i did, and i stopped the serial at this moment, and i dont like at all her design, they did so better in the past, i like final fantasy 7 to 10, and if 14 is cool, i dont buy all those stuff about rabbit girl and cat girl, japanese are known for their strange tast in some field of their society.


yeah i m sorry halfnaked rabbit girl are not my kind. (and no dont out me the cultural justification, it is too much used to explain some abused charadesign)
thx

and about the hilibrand, so it get better? for now i remain at the moment where vivi go back with the old ppl to find Kwane.

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Originally Posted by SannaR

The 24man is kind of a love letter to Tactics and XII without them being connected to 14.

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At first, I thought that too (just like with past raids) until I played the 4.5 storyline with the knowledge that where we would go in Shadowbringers is mentioned in the dialogue....

....and one of those places that was brought up just happens to be Dalmasca.

Outside the story, it's paying homage to a past game. Inside the story, the best way to think of it is another part of the realm.

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Originally Posted by Kazhim

is ff12 in ff14?

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No.
End of thread.

The Final Fantasy series has a long history of names, places, and themes carrying over from game to game without actually being the same as previous versions. XIV's Cid isn't a chain-smoking lancer, or the head of a mercenary school, or a king turned into a bug for adultery, he just shares a name.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

The Final Fantasy series has a long history of names, places, and themes carrying over from game to game without actually being the same as previous versions. XIV's Cid isn't a chain-smoking lancer, or the head of a mercenary school, or a king turned into a bug for adultery, he just shares a name.

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Cid biggs and wedge are the only 3 repeated in the games not rlly sure y but those 3 are in almost every ff and they are always higher ups and highly technical

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Originally Posted by Kazhim

woo really?

i dont find this character very interesting, beside the 12 was one of the worst ff i did, and i stopped the serial at this moment, and i dont like at all her design, they did so better in the past, i like final fantasy 7 to 10, and if 14 is cool, i dont buy all those stuff about rabbit girl and cat girl, japanese are known for their strange tast in some field of their society.


yeah i m sorry halfnaked rabbit girl are not my kind. (and no dont out me the cultural justification, it is too much used to explain some abused charadesign)
thx

and about the hilibrand, so it get better? for now i remain at the moment where vivi go back with the old ppl to find Kwane.

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They talked about it during one of the live letters leading up to 4.5. The original plan was for it to be Balthier, but they opted to use Fran instead because we're getting viera in ShB. We're almost certainly not done with Ivalice given how many loose plot threads were introduced during Orbonne and in the second Encyclopedia Eorzea, so we'll likely see others eventually.

I thought the world of ivalice is a part of XIV's now? since 1.0 art was through tactics/12

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Originally Posted by Jaggerjack

I thought the world of ivalice is a part of XIV's now? since 1.0 art was through tactics/12

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FF14's Ivalice is part of FF14 now. But the Ivalice of FFT and FF12 is not.

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Originally Posted by Kazrah

At first, I thought that too (just like with past raids) until I played the 4.5 storyline with the knowledge that where we would go in Shadowbringers is mentioned in the dialogue....

....and one of those places that was brought up just happens to be Dalmasca.

Outside the story, it's paying homage to a past game. Inside the story, the best way to think of it is another part of the realm.

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They're not carbon copies of tactics or 12 they were made to be their own thing and exist in their own section of 14's world.

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Originally Posted by MorbolvampireQueen6

Cid biggs and wedge are the only 3 repeated in the games not rlly sure y but those 3 are in almost every ff and they are always higher ups and highly technical

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Those and the primals, various weapons and armor, chocobos since two, moogles, Wol and Wods, Elemental crystals that are important to the story somehow. Let's also not forget putting teens or in their early 20s in charge of saving the world and other things like militaries or whole countries.

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Originally Posted by Kazrah

At first, I thought that too (just like with past raids) until I played the 4.5 storyline with the knowledge that where we would go in Shadowbringers is mentioned in the dialogue....

....and one of those places that was brought up just happens to be Dalmasca.

Outside the story, it's paying homage to a past game. Inside the story, the best way to think of it is another part of the realm.

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They've never said anywhere that we're going to Dalmasca for ShB. The Alliance and Doma agreed to lend their support if the princess Fran serves can unite the rebels under one banner, but until Ashe(or whoever's using her name, since she should be in her 50s at this point if she survived like in XII) can do so, they're out of the story. The closest we might get is the Skatay Range, assuming that's where Rak'tika is.

About the Hildibrand parts the stuff with the old people is the second half where people say it got better. That and it's where Cyr starts to just roll with the wackyness that is Hildibrand. Hildi's ability to make people believe his disguises is probably the best thing about each story and maybe the see you soon end parts.

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Originally Posted by Daralii

They've never said anywhere that we're going to Dalmasca for ShB.

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1) It was said that the hint was in 4.5, and it was noted that Dalmasca was busy getting crushed by Garlemald.
2) Gunbreaker relic armor looks like the same resistance gear from Rabanastre in addition to having what seems to be a REALLY deliberate job name.

And 3)

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Originally Posted by Daralii

We're almost certainly not done with Ivalice....

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Viera is a confirmed new race and Nu Mou is a confirmed new beast tribe for the expansion. If we're not going to Dalmasca proper in Shadowbringers, then it's going to be brought up A LOT.

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Originally Posted by SannaR

Those and the primals, various weapons and armor, chocobos since two, moogles, Wol and Wods, Elemental crystals that are important to the story somehow. Let's also not forget putting teens or in their early 20s in charge of saving the world and other things like militaries or whole countries.

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The primal are all the same until those ff ruins it
Also lol many of them are under 14 so not rlly teen or adults also weapons armor don't rlly count

the game just references some of the older games.
If FF12 is = FF14 because of Dalmasca and ivalice references then its part of FF6 because Doma is from that game.....

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Originally Posted by Lubu_Mykono

the game just references some of the older games.
If FF12 is = FF14 because of Dalmasca and ivalice references then its part of FF6 because Doma is from that game.....

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To be fair here, FF12/T is probably the most overt reference. As the story for the 24 man basically hints that the story of FFT came from the play that Jenomis eventually debuted to clear his family name and give the story of Ramza a 'happier' ending than fate and previous propaganda had seen fit.

However even then it follows pretty much every other FF reference in 14. Where they take similar story beats if anything at all, and try to slather a fresh coat of paint onto them to make the concept work within it's new confines. Doma's actually a pretty good example of that. Hien is basically Cyan if you dig into his name origins and even shares the same theme with the iconic character, and given where the current MSQ happens to be headed it's very likely we're going to see a repeat of the 'poison' incident some time in the future. Sans insane laughing clown of course.

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Originally Posted by Enla

To be fair here, FF12/T is probably the most overt reference. As the story for the 24 man basically hints that the story of FFT came from the play that Jenomis eventually debuted to clear his family name and give the story of Ramza a 'happier' ending than fate and previous propaganda had seen fit.

However even then it follows pretty much every other FF reference in 14. Where they take similar story beats if anything at all, and try to slather a fresh coat of paint onto them to make the concept work within it's new confines. Doma's actually a pretty good example of that. Hien is basically Cyan if you dig into his name origins and even shares the same theme with the iconic character, and given where the current MSQ happens to be headed it's very likely we're going to see a repeat of the 'poison' incident some time in the future. Sans insane laughing clown of course.

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Solus is probably hammy enough to be the Kefka analogue. He chews the scenery every time he appears, and it's great.

FFXIV's Ivalice isn't the same Ivalice as FFT and FFXII. For starters, the world map is completely different. Secondly, the timeline/lore is completely different.

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Originally Posted by MorbolvampireQueen6

The primal are all the same until those ff ruins it
Also lol many of them are under 14 so not rlly teen or adults also weapons armor don't rlly count

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Um what? Ekio, Vivi, Relm, Porom, Palom and Gau are the only ones under 14 that are humanoid. Rydia starts out young but ages so she doesn't really count as she doesn't stay the same the whole game. We don't know how long of a life span a moogle or a yeti have or I'd count Mog and Umaro.

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Originally Posted by Kazhim

yes i suppose

but i dont like when they do that, cause it gives confusion, and do a melt of several univers which have no real link together, why fran? why not another caracter.

I mean ok in soul calibur 2 heihachi come from a dimensionnal portal, that give some sens even if it is easy way to give.

But taking entirely a character from another game and put it here, with no real reason, and another story, it is just weird. ok vivi is in hilidbrand story but hilidbrand is like a side dream joke

thx for answer

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1) Fran was a popular character, thus why Fran.
2) If you're okay with dimensional portals, then you should be fine with this. We've had several mentions of dimensional travel in FF14. The Warriors of Darkness came from another dimension/version of Hydealyn. Omega is from another dimension.

In the FF14 universe, Tactics happened a long time ago and the FF12 Ivalice is a part of Hydealyn. However, just as there are infinite multiverses, so lies the possibility they aren't THE Ivalice from the original games. But since we didn't know anything of "the world beyond" Ivalice in Tactics and FF12, it could go either way. You could think of it as a different multiverse, or that it has always been a part of Hydealyn. That's the nice thing about FF series, is that a lot of it can cross over.

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Originally Posted by Kaedan

1) Fran was a popular character, thus why Fran.
2) If you're okay with dimensional portals, then you should be fine with this. We've had several mentions of dimensional travel in FF14. The Warriors of Darkness came from another dimension/version of Hydealyn. Omega is from another dimension.

In the FF14 universe, Tactics happened a long time ago and the FF12 Ivalice is a part of Hydealyn. However, just as there are infinite multiverses, so lies the possibility they aren't THE Ivalice from the original games. But since we didn't know anything of "the world beyond" Ivalice in Tactics and FF12, it could go either way. You could think of it as a different multiverse, or that it has always been a part of Hydealyn. That's the nice thing about FF series, is that a lot of it can cross over.

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Omega and dragons are from another planet, technically. The other shards are seemingly part of a multiverse that was created when Zodiark was expunged and reality broke, and other beings like Ultima(and crossover characters, I guess) are from another plane altogether.

we had reference to dalmasca already in ARR, then...

Ivalice isn't the first time that major elements from another Final Fantasy game have featured in this one. The Crystal Tower was based off of FFIII. The Warring Triad came from FFVI. Certainly it's the case that Ivalice is more extensive than either of those examples, and that a lot of the storyline was imported into this game, but it's still just "FFXIV's version of Ivalice", not "FFXIV and FFXII take place in the same world".

ff12 < ff14

fixed :)