Glamouring a wand over a staff

Hi there !

Like the title says, id'l like SE to allow us to glam wands and sceptres over staff for both WHM and BLM.

Some of those wands are really cute but passed lvl15 they become totally useless :/

Are you not able to? Is it a matter of 1-hand vs 2-hand?

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Originally Posted by Celef

Like the title says, I'd like SE to allow us to glam wands and scepters over staff for both WHM and BLM.

Some of those wands are really cute but passed lvl15 they become totally useless :/

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Not only are some really cute, some actually cost money even though they become totally useless.

https://i.imgur.com/aWlbDQa.png

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Originally Posted by linay

Are you not able to? Is it a matter of 1-hand vs 2-hand?

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You're not, not sure why to be honest. You can glamour 1-slot items over 2-slot ones in other circumstances.

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Originally Posted by Jandor

You're not, not sure why to be honest. You can glamour 1-slot items over 2-slot ones in other circumstances.

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It's probably a type restriction. Let's say you want to glamour a tunic over a cloak that forbids headgear. The two are both of type "body". One-handed and two-handed weapons, however, are two different item types.

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Originally Posted by Rongway

It's probably a type restriction. Let's say you want to glamour a tunic over a cloak that forbids headgear. The two are both of type "body". One-handed and two-handed weapons, however, are two different item types.

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That seems to be it, and I assume they haven't been merged yet because the item type affects whether you can equip a shield in your off-hand slot.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

That seems to be it, and I assume they haven't been merged yet because the item type affects whether you can equip a shield in your off-hand slot.

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Considering 1-handed caster weapons are virtually useless now I wouldn't mind if they technically became 2-handers that just look like 1-hand wands.

I don't like staffs, they clip with my giant hat. Wands sit neatly on my hip, very little clipping.

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Originally Posted by Jandor

Considering 1-handed caster weapons are virtually useless now I wouldn't mind if they technically became 2-handers that just look like 1-hand wands.

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"Useless" is relative to player level rather than time, though. If your mage is currently below Lv50, wands and shields are just as relevant as they've always been.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

"Useless" is relative to player level rather than time, though. If your mage is currently below Lv50, wands and shields are just as relevant as they've always been.

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Wands are acceptable weapons.

The caster shields were never particularly relevant though, a random chance of a weak block on a squishy mage was exactly as useful as it sounds.

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Originally Posted by Jandor

The caster shields were never been particularly relevant though, a random chance of a weak block on a squishy mage was exactly as useful as it sounds.

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Or even worse... You find a cute little shield that would be great for a PLD Glamour you have but then you look closer and see the CNJ/WHM or THM/BLM tag on it and cri ;_;

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Originally Posted by Kalise

Or even worse... You find a cute little shield that would be great for a PLD Glamour you have but then you look closer and see the CNJ/WHM or THM/BLM tag on it and cri ;_;

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Conversely, the frustration of the statless Lv1 invisible shield being GLA/PLD only, and no equivalent for mages. Wands look nice, but shields are usually ugly.

I'd really appreciate an option like this too, but I don't know how they'd handle the shield slot.

I would like to have wand and shield glam as well. I miss the little wooden shield my CNJ had when starting the game :/

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Originally Posted by Kalise

Or even worse... You find a cute little shield that would be great for a PLD Glamour you have but then you look closer and see the CNJ/WHM or THM/BLM tag on it and cri ;_;

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I made this mistake on my pld armorer. I saw the Blacksteel Buckler, thought it looked cool. Bought some mats and crafted it...only to realize I that it was THM/BLM only. Ah well.

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Originally Posted by Lacan

I'd really appreciate an option like this too, but I don't know how they'd handle the shield slot.

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Same way that some body pieces stop you from wearing a head piece I guess, just greys it out

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Originally Posted by Lacan

I'd really appreciate an option like this too, but I don't know how they'd handle the shield slot.

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One solution would be to make all staves and rods simply just "Conjurer's Arm"/"Thuamaturge's Arm". There doesn't need to be a distinction between two-handed and one-handed. Drop the shield stats (at least for post-50 shields, which don't currently exist for CNJ/THM), so that people can decide for themselves whether they want a staff/rod or wand/scepter, and whether they want a shield glamour. The animations don't change when you're using a staff/rod vs a wand/scepter+noshield vs a wand/scepter+shield, so it shouldn't be such a big deal to go this route and let people go the full range (even staff/rod with shield if they want).

Wands are a relic of 1.0 and the Devs actions clearly show that they want you to forget they were a thing in the first place. So I doubt anything will come of this

We have been asking for this since ARR and they wont even give us an answer. I would frankly like them to just convert all wands into staffs like they did with primal weapons and give wands to a job all of their own.

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

Wands are a relic of 1.0 and the Devs actions clearly show that they want you to forget they were a thing in the first place. So I doubt anything will come of this

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Witch is stupid.

- They look nice
- They take data space
- Devs even created a wand for Moogle Mog

If they want us to forget them just remove them but don't let us see those cute little things without allowing us to use them :/

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Originally Posted by Rongway

The animations don't change when you're using a staff/rod vs a wand/scepter+noshield vs a wand/scepter+shield, so it shouldn't be such a big deal to go this route and let people go the full range (even staff/rod with shield if they want).

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99% the same, the sheathe/draw animation is slightly different as wands rest on the hip when not in use.

It's been a really long time since I've leveled anything pre-50, but I know it hasn't been as long since they implemented the glamour system for pre-50's. When leveling my DRK I definitely remember glamouring over the tin can armor with the Wild Rose set. What happened though was since the body disables the head slot, and the legs disable the feet slot, those two sections remained bare on my character, but the armor did take on the appearance of the body and legs.

I don't know if this has been changed. If not, then I would imagine it would work for wands and scepters as well. You just won't be able to add a shield. Don't hold me to that but definitely worth a try if any of you have not already.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

When leveling my DRK I definitely remember glamouring over the tin can armor with the Wild Rose set. What happened though was since the body disables the head slot, and the legs disable the feet slot, those two sections remained bare on my character, but the armor did take on the appearance of the body and legs.

I don't know if this has been changed. If not, then I would imagine it would work for wands and scepters as well. You just won't be able to add a shield. Don't hold me to that but definitely worth a try if any of you have not already.

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It *seems* like it should work the same, and I had the same thought to begin with, but I've realised there's a difference.

It seems the "glamour items of the same category" rule runs off the labels under the icon in the item stats window. You can glamour the Wild Rose cuirass over the tincan armour because they're both 'body' items. (The hat gets ignored because there's no item in that slot for the glamour to "stick" to.)

Wands and staffs are a different case though, because their item categories are 'one-handed conjurer's arm' and 'two-handed conjurer's arm', thus they are different item types (with different permissions for equipping shields, and animations for stowing your weapon) and aren't able to be glamoured over one another. You might as well be wanting to glamour a sword over it, as far as the program can comprehend.

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Originally Posted by Jandor

99% the same, the sheathe/draw animation is slightly different as wands rest on the hip when not in use.

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Ahh you are right. I was only considering the animations while weapon out.

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Originally Posted by Celef

If they want us to forget them just remove them but don't let us see those cute little things without allowing us to use them :/

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They technically did. All ARR content that dropped a wand (twintania, garuda, moggle mog etc.) now have staff alternatives that can be exchanged for. They didn't want wands removed outright because of glamour complaints, but they made sure that every bit of content dropped a staff, to push the idea that staffs were the caster weapon outright.

Its messy, but most things 1.0 related are, and theres not a lot that can be done about it (look at the recent discussion about the design of the gunbreaker weapon, gunblade designs are a relic of 1.0 that Yoshi P doesn't like either).

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

They technically did. All ARR content that dropped a wand (twintania, garuda, moggle mog etc.) now have staff alternatives that can be exchanged for. They didn't want wands removed outright because of glamour complaints, but they made sure that every bit of content dropped a staff, to push the idea that staffs were the caster weapon outright.

Its messy, but most things 1.0 related are, and theres not a lot that can be done about it (look at the recent discussion about the design of the gunbreaker weapon, gunblade designs are a relic of 1.0 that Yoshi P doesn't like either).

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except for the mog wand thing they're still selling on the cash shop. they really should release a two handed version if they're just going to pretend like wands don't exist anymore.

The weathered scepter is still my favorite Black Mage weapon...

The real solution? Let’s bring back mage shields.