Keep wiping at The Vault endboss with random parties

So, been playing for 3 weeks now - The Vault is the only dungeon so far I keep and keep failing at. The trouble is: Duty roulette. I wipe with randoms who iose much HP to mechanics. Ran it during my MSQ with guildies just fine, one try and done.

Is there any trick for a WHM healer? Reaction time, what skills to use... efficient controls for PC...whatever... I kept spamming Cure II on individuals because of the ~50% HP loss to every mechanic so they wouldn´t die to the next AOE. Also, we were too spread out for Medica. It distracted me from some mechanics... this boss can two-hit players with lv.60 gear, especially light gear wearers. The thing is: Usually I get everything the 2nd try latest - be it Aurum Vale or, well, every other dungeon and trial so far. What is it about the Vault? It confronts me with one of the reasons I almost decided against starting with a healer - yet it´s just too fun to stop.

It happened with every single random duty finder party so far. Incredibly frustrating, I´m tempted to kick myself before the run even starts from now on.

Thanks for answering and bearing my rant^^"

This dungeon has always been a pain for healers. Even for a seasoned veteran I struggle to heal pugs in this dungeon. It's very mechanic heavy and when you doing do them the result is severe. MP regen has always been wierd there as well. The horses will annihilate dps if they dont avoid and the chain will do the same if they dont run from each other and break it.

Well, people told me that about 2-3 other dungeons and trials before Vault - that they were a healer check - and I did just fine.

Being called a bad healer for failing one dungeon frequently is...well... or maybe I just feel I´m a bad healer.

Especially when someone equally new at healing AND using PS4 controls manages way better.

How much time should I give myself before deciding to leave a class be? I can find fun in almost every class I´m sure so there is no use to play one that I might keep failing more difficult stuff with...

Yikes, i am sorry to hear this; i hope this experience improves for you. :(

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Originally Posted by Gavanri

Well, people told me that about 2-3 other dungeons and trials before Vault - that they were a healer check - and I did just fine.

Being called a bad healer for failing one dungeon frequently is...well... or maybe I just feel I´m a bad healer.

Especially when someone equally new at healing AND using PS4 controls manages way better.

How much time should I give myself before deciding to leave a class be? I can find fun in almost every class I´m sure so there is no use to play one that I might keep failing more difficult stuff with...

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can't really be called a bad healer for that instance, it's a nightmare. Alot can go wrong in a very short amount of time.

i wouldn't say you should leave the class, especially if your enjoying it, i say keep trucking along bad or not, you can only get better at something the more you play and understand it. I can only hope you run into other like minded individuals who can understand the horrors of healing in the Vault.

Thanks for the encouragement^^ Will try to keep my head up, even when the fails are my responsibility.

I found a tip about keeping a third eye (1st is on party HP bar, 2nd on ground and environment haha) on the opponent cast bar to prep Cures beforehand. Will practice this I think.

As others have said, that dungeon is a nightmare to heal in pugs. Even veteran healers have trouble with it, particularly if it's a bad party.

My advice would be to seek help with it on Duty Finder. You need a party that can do the mechanics. Of course, as healer you also need to be sure you can do the mechanics, as mechanic competency is critical to playing healer. However, it sounds like you are.

If you want to make that dungeon easier, mechanics-wise, I suggest NOT moving to the gap in the knights immediately. What happens is that the AoEs spawn under all the players, as the knights start to march across. The #1 wipe issue in pugs is that people block off the safe spot for the knights by all moving to the safe spot as soon as the knights appear, causing the aoes to spawn on the safe spot. This is particularly bad with the chains, because the chained members need to run diagonally. One player needs to go through the safe spot and into a corner, while the other needs to run into the opposite corner away from the other player and the knights, before coming back to the safe spot. If the safe spot is blocked, the chain doesn't break, or the DPS eat knight damage trying to break it horizontally.

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Originally Posted by Gavanri

Thanks for the encouragement^^ Will try to keep my head up, even when the fails are my responsibility.

I found a tip about keeping a third eye (1st is on party HP bar, 2nd on ground and environment haha) on the opponent cast bar to prep Cures beforehand. Will practice this I think.

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I strongly endorse this. Precasting heals is another fundamental skill for healers that becomes more and more important as you do harder content. Practice it and you'll be feeling a lot less stress!

Oh and the ideal time to start casting your cure is usually about 75% through the cast bar. Although this changes a bit depending on the speed of the cast. The standard cast bar is going to be at around 70-75% though.

P.S. Sorry for the multi-posts. Mobile

The thing I see that a lot of groups have trouble with is when you have two ranged or a ranged with a melee as they don't stay close to the melee or together as the chains break faster if you start closer. The other is getting hit by the knights.

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Originally Posted by NocturniaUzuki

Oh and the ideal time to start casting your cure is usually about 75% through the cast bar. Although this changes a bit depending on the speed of the cast. The standard cast bar is going to be at around 70-75% though.

P.S. Sorry for the multi-posts. Mobile

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Thank you! All really useful things to implement in my (slowly evolving) play style. I think I‘ll attempt to look for a group on party finder who are equally challenged by it but want to improve... or people who have the patience to practice the end boss with me. Oof why am I so maso sometimes... just can‘t let this be haha I HAVE to master it. And yes... that part with the 2x knights marching through, chain and AOE spam is where shit hits the fan... always... and when I lose my head multitasking this it‘s all over.

Comes down to the group really. I am by no means a Pro healer and have healed that dungeon multiple times. Sorry to hear about your bad experience.
Best to find a pre-formed group i would think.

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Originally Posted by Maero

Comes down to the group really. I am by no means a Pro healer and have healed that dungeon multiple times. Sorry to hear about your bad experience.
Best to find a pre-formed group i would think.

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This actually makes me feel worse xD Happy for you though. Yes considering asking my guildies to do duty roulette with me until I‘m more proficient at WHM.

sorry you had a bad experience with your subsequent runs.
back when I was leveling in HW through The Vault I prefer to use SCH myself so that I can leave Eos near the tank and focus on spot heals with the others who probably panicked as I did whenever we get chains or once the knights show up.
as WHM I find constant regen easier to manage so that I can also move around, then med II before aoes. but that duty is really a challenge. you'll get your revenge soon when you can finally solo it at 70 xD
good luck!

Nice to know that Ser Charibert is still making healers scream years later, but no he is always been and will always be nightmare to deal with. But here's the thing with the Vault endboss, if you as a healer successfully healed the rest of the dungeon with little to no problems then most likely you are not fully at wrong. With chains, aoes, and horses coming in close together it requires not just YOU to do the mechanics but also the dps and the tank. Keep this in mind, after the dps check you can take as long as you want with Ser Charibert. If you prioritize the tank and yourself... well it might take awhile but the boss will just keep tossing out repeatable mechanics. So don't think that just because both dps are down that you gotta panic and quickly get them back up after that dps check. Just breathe and wait until you have regenerated some mp before rezing.

Also the easiest way imo to beat the boss is honestly having everyone being on the bosses butt. Aoe circles go out move out of the massive no no circle. Chains come out, both partners have ample room to around the small arena. Horses come out? Locate where the nearest safe spot, wait for aoe circles then move to break chains while slipping through the safe hole and run behind the wall of uh oh horses until chains break. If stacked together you shouldn't have to run far to break the chains as a bonus. You then just stack back up on the boss and repeat mechanics. The issue with this strategy is if someone stands in the aoe circle of no no, they will die. So it demands people to be able to dodge in this game. Which with randos... is sometimes too much to ask for.

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Originally Posted by Gavanri

Well, people told me that about 2-3 other dungeons and trials before Vault - that they were a healer check - and I did just fine.

Being called a bad healer for failing one dungeon frequently is...well... or maybe I just feel I´m a bad healer.

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Ok look. Here's a time honored and important healer mantra: You can't heal stupid. And vault punishes stupidity a lot.

It's good to seek to improve, but you can't shoulder responsibility for others' failures. But a tip to try to make up for it: If you get the chain on the last boss and the connected DPS doesn't move, just spam heals on yourself. The chain will break when the DPS dies, and then you can rez them and continue the fight. As a more general tip, just make sure to keep your camera positioned so you see the marches coming.

Don't give up healing, and don't be discouraged, your attitude towards improvement is a massive fresh of fresh air from what I normally see on the forums. Keep it up :)

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Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

Ok look. Here's a time honored and important healer mantra: You can't heal stupid. And vault punishes stupidity a lot.

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The thing is that I was clumsy as well. I think only the tank knew 100% what he was doing there (last man standing, always).
Anyway, will take the positioning advice to heart, thanks to everyone who posted^^

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Originally Posted by Gavanri

This actually makes me feel worse xD Happy for you though. Yes considering asking my guildies to do duty roulette with me until I‘m more proficient at WHM.

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Yeah sorry it was not mean't to discourage you as i will more or less only heal with friends or FC members because i just do not feel good enough to heal randoms, friends understand this.
My first time tanking that place with 2 friends and a a healer complained on how undergeared i was and went on and on. A FC healer came in instead and had no issues healing me

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Originally Posted by Maero

Yeah sorry it was not mean't to discourage you as i will more or less only heal with friends or FC members because i just do not feel good enough to heal randoms, friends understand this.
My first time tanking that place with 2 friends and a a healer complained on how undergeared i was and went on and on. A FC healer came in instead and had no issues healing me

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I can kind of understand that healer even if I wouldn´t bitch like he/she did. More like, panic inside^^ Most of my fails were because of oom or one dodging mistake - whenever I saved mana by not healing myself up ofc.

Well I never bitch about anyone´s gear even if I know it got to be bad... inside it still annoys me when I run out of mana twice with proper use of Lucid Dreaming & Ethers, said LD is on cooldown and none of the other players can or will help me recover MP... this only happens whenever the whole party loses tons of HP during the fight.

When I had to run Antitower for MSQ yesterday I had to rub my eyes... No one but the other sproutling lost more than 15% of their HP, ever. First time I saw this happen. Was a chill run with lots of healer DPS^^" Turned out they were friends queuing together and helping one of their newbies.

Anyways, the next healer check (and according to wiki it got a DPS and tank check too, oof) is up, Final Steps of Faith. I will need faith... in myself and my comrades x)

Final steps isnt bad if the team is doing mechanics(dodge aoes, kill adds in a smart order, stack for ahk). It could be sketchy when it was brand new, but these days youre more likely to see trouble from people who dont know what a stack marker is then from the heal-check itself.

The dps check in Final Steps is the add phase. Ala morn can hurt the only real healing check is Akh Morn which everyone but the main tank should stack for. It's not as scary as it sounds as almost any df group I get there's enough people who remember how to do it or have enough situational awareness not to come off as a complete idiot.

Just as a small update: Final Steps of Faith was ridiculously easy compared to Vault endboss. Shows what a decent party can do I guess or maybe it really is easier :D

Since Vault I only had trouble at first Library boss.

I always found it a gear and skill check for all. If one person doesn't do a skill correctly it can be disastrous.