Viera naming convention

I was wondering if there was any information on the Viera naming convention yet? i love the write ups that Gildrein did for the other races as they were extremely helpful in getting a lore accurate name. I'm just trying to think if i can get a race accurate bunny girl name ready for when the expansion drops as for me the name is something that is almost as important as any other aspect of character creation.

They probably wont do it without admitting the existance, or absence of males.

Would be nice if they give us naming lore for males even if it turns out we're not getting them as playable.

For what it's worth, I believe males and females would have very similar or the same naming conventions, what with being indistiguishable until the age of 13. There's always the possibility that males change their names when they leave the village or are assigned a new one by the one who takes them away, of course...

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Originally Posted by WhiteArchmage

For what it's worth, I believe males and females would have very similar or the same naming conventions, what with being indistiguishable until the age of 13. There's always the possibility that males change their names when they leave the village or are assigned a new one by the one who takes them away, of course...

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There's also the possibility, that because they live in isolation, that they don't actually need names.

I mean, when you live all on your own and rarely see another member of your species... Who's gonna be using your name?

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Originally Posted by Kalise

There's also the possibility, that because they live in isolation, that they don't actually need names.

I mean, when you live all on your own and rarely see another member of your species... Who's gonna be using your name?

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The jacks they mentor, presumably.

I love how with every thread about viera that pops up, males are mentioned. SE, take note! Give us what we want! Well...most of us anyway. That said, I imagine if they go off of FF12, their names would be short, one or two syllable words with exotic pronunciation and spelling. (Jote = Yo-Tay, Mjrn = Mee-Yern, etc.) It would be cool to see what the male names would be like as well. I bet they'd be the same. But...well...ya know...SE would NEED TO ADD THEM. Come on SE! You know what needs to be done. Alright I'm done. They ain't reading this mess.

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Originally Posted by stormygabe

I love how with every thread about viera that pops up, males are mentioned. SE, take note!

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As much as I want them to, adding males or not isn't relevant in this case. Whether they are officially implemented as characters or not, they still canonically exist, and people are going to be fanficcing off those concept art images if nothing else. If I was doing that then I'd definitely still want to get their names right!

That said, WhiteArchmage is probably correct in guessing that they wouldn't actually have gendered names if their gender can't be recognised at birth - unless there was some kind of tradition where they don't actually get names until they mature, or child-names aren't carried into adulthood, or something like that.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

As much as I want them to, adding males or not isn't relevant in this case. Whether they are officially implemented as characters or not, they still canonically exist, and people are going to be fanficcing off those concept art images if nothing else. If I was doing that then I'd definitely still want to get their names right!

That said, WhiteArchmage is probably correct in guessing that they wouldn't actually have gendered names if their gender can't be recognised at birth - unless there was some kind of tradition where they don't actually get names until they mature, or child-names aren't carried into adulthood, or something like that.

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Oh, I totally agree it's not relevant here. I just wanted to mention it because that's how thirsty I am for them. You raise a good point about them not having gendered names. And honestly, excepting a few, most of them seem fitting for either male or female characters.

In FFXII, Viera have short two-syllable names that have a very Icelandic or Norse feel to them. Incidentally, Norse is where the pronunciation of Viera names comes from; "j" is pronounced like "y" in that language. I could easily see FFXIV Vieras having a similar naming scheme.

What will be interesting is what FFXIV will do with the last/family name. As far as I am aware, Viera in FFXII don't have last/family names and only have given names. I am looking forwards to how FFXIV will handle that.

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Originally Posted by ObsidianFire

What will be interesting is what FFXIV will do with the last/family name. As far as I am aware, Viera in FFXII don't have last/family names and only have given names. I am looking forwards to how FFXIV will handle that.

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Perhaps similar to the Xaela using their tribe as their surname?


Overall it's better to need to make up a surname, than have the awkward naming conventions like Plainsfolk and Hellsguard where half of what should function as a single given name ends up in the surname field.


(I feel like the game needs a "nickname" or "preferred name" input for handling some parts of the script. Not everyone is going to address you by the full form of your name. Could be kept client-side since it only needs to be applied to your cutscenes?)

I guess it will depend if of the Clans we'll get.
Vieras from the wood seem to have "nordish" names as we can see in FF12

Fran – sky pirate Balthier's companion.
Jote – Fran's older sister, leader of Eruyt Village.
Mjrn – Fran's younger sister.
Krjn – member of Clan Centurio.
Ktjn – Krjn's sister.

Feol on the other hand, as hybrid, are rejected by the Vieras and do not live in the wood so, we could imagine they have names that reflect that aspect and that are related to the place they live in.

Ok so, Viera are not chickens or snakes, you can still tell what genitals they have at birth. They just have 0 gender signifiers before puberty suddenly hits (like humans!, except it's way more sudden and delayed for Viera.). Now maybe Viera don't have gendered names as a culture, or maybe they do.

We gonna have to wait to find out.

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Originally Posted by Celef

I guess it will depend if of the Clans we'll get.
Vieras from the wood seem to have "nordish" names as we can see in FF12

Fran – sky pirate Balthier's companion.
Jote – Fran's older sister, leader of Eruyt Village.
Mjrn – Fran's younger sister.
Krjn – member of Clan Centurio.
Ktjn – Krjn's sister.

Feol on the other hand, as hybrid, are rejected by the Vieras and do not live in the wood so, we could imagine they have names that reflect that aspect and that are related to the place they live in.

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Considering the reveal featured pale-skinned viera with very atypical hair colors for them(one had black hair, the other had pink hair), I'm going to assume that the Feol aren't present on Hydaelyn and that at least some Rava have opted to move up north to Rak'tika to live with their Veena cousins.

I assumed they were intersex't until puberty. With their internal reproductive organs not having external definition. Which, would lead to one hell of a growth spurt, but I figured it fit the lore and culture nicely.

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Originally Posted by Skeith9

Ok so, Viera are not chickens or snakes, you can still tell what genitals they have at birth. They just have 0 gender signifiers before puberty suddenly hits (like humans!, except it's way more sudden and delayed for Viera.). Now maybe Viera don't have gendered names as a culture, or maybe they do.

We gonna have to wait to find out.

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I assumed they were intersex until puberty. With their internal reproductive organs not having external definition. Which, would lead to one hell of a growth spurt, but I figured it fit the lore and culture nicely.

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Originally Posted by Risu0042

I was wondering if there was any information on the Viera naming convention yet? i love the write ups that Gildrein did for the other races as they were extremely helpful in getting a lore accurate name. I'm just trying to think if i can get a race accurate bunny girl name ready for when the expansion drops as for me the name is something that is almost as important as any other aspect of character creation.

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To be personally honest, I hope the Veira naming convention is Scandinavian in origin, I mean Fran spoke with a very very pretty Icelandic accent so here's hoping that keepsup with the playable race.

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Originally Posted by Beki_Bayaqad

To be personally honest, I hope the Veira naming convention is Scandinavian in origin, I mean Fran spoke with a very very pretty Icelandic accent so here's hoping that keepsup with the playable race.

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The First's Viera/Viis might be different just because of the cultural drift, but they've adhered to Ivalician lore tightly enough for them otherwise that I'd be surprised if they don't stick to the Scandinavian/Icelandic naming and accents. I also wouldn't be surprised if any of Fran/Jote/Mjrn's VAs show up.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the Nordic/Islandic aspect already taken by the Roegadyn/Seawolf? (Going by the -syn the name generator gives you.)

The Roegadyn/Seawolf names are closer to German (with it's habit of mashing words together) then Icelandic. Culturally, the Seawolves are based on the Norse though. The Viera culture definetly is not.

... I am german and see no german influences in that naming convention whatsoever. :D Other languages combine words as well.

I rather meant the sound of the syllables and the writing. Seems more nordic to me.

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Originally Posted by RicaRuin

Other languages combine words as well.

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This may be true, but Germans elevate the practice to a fine art! :D

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Originally Posted by ObsidianFire

In FFXII, Viera have short two-syllable names that have a very Icelandic or Norse feel to them. Incidentally, Norse is where the pronunciation of Viera names comes from; "j" is pronounced like "y" in that language. I could easily see FFXIV Vieras having a similar naming scheme.

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Ummm... Norse isn't written in any variant of the roman alphabet. Its written in futhark.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Younger_Futhark

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elder_Futhark

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/71/64...26de685ec5.jpg

As each letter has a word or concept associated with it, would not this be taken into account when making names?

Um... Norse is a dead language and isn't spoken anymore. The closest you could get would be Icelandic which uses the normal Roman alphabet. The even includes "þ" and "ð" which used to be part of Old and Middle English and were eventually dropped for the "th" notation. Incidentally, Icelandic is similar enough to Old Norse that there is very little translation need between the two languages as it is.

The Viera use modern Icelandic names which are almost identical to Old Norse names.

Latin is dead as well and Garlemald never cared.

So I could see old norse working for Viera names, at least.

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Originally Posted by WhiteArchmage

For what it's worth, I believe males and females would have very similar or the same naming conventions, what with being indistiguishable until the age of 13. There's always the possibility that males change their names when they leave the village or are assigned a new one by the one who takes them away, of course...

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Male and female viera aren't "indistinguishable" pre-puberty. Their tribes just treat all the children equally regardless of gender until then.

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Originally Posted by SerenityIsBae

Male and female viera aren't "indistinguishable" pre-puberty. Their tribes just treat all the children equally regardless of gender until then.

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As stated in the game by the Wandering Dramaturge:

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Wandering Dramaturge: It is estimated that upwards of eight in ten Viera are born female, though it is not until at least the thirteenth nameday --when the individual moves from adolescence into adulthood--that the individual's gender becomes apparent.
Wandering Dramaturge: Then, for the next two centuries will the Viera maintain its physical youth, rendering it nigh impossible to discern one's age simply from outward appearances.
Wandering Dramaturge: When it is revealed that a Viera kit is a male, it will be given into the care of another, that it may learn the ways of the Wood-warder--protectors of the forest.
Wandering Dramaturge: Once every three to five summers, male Viera will descent from the trees to a nearby village to mate.
Wandering Dramaturge: It is at this time, if there are any recently discovered jacks still living among the females, that the older male will make them his wards and teach them how to survive without the crutch of companionship.

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I know this thread is old, but "not apparent" doesn't mean "indistinguishable."
If Alisaie and Alphinaud were both in identical clothing, the difference between them is not apparent, but they are not indistinguishable from each other.

You'd still be wrong, we have confirmation from Matsuno himself and the EE3 that Vieran children don't develop sexual characteristics until their teenage years.

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Originally Posted by Encyclopedia Eorzea Volume III, page 68

Furthermore, a Viera's sex is indeterminate until the body fully develops during adolescence, which begins around thirteen to fifteen years of age, and 70-80 percent develop as female.

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I assume this is a question of semantics in which you're taking "indistinguishable" to mean that Viera kits are identical and can be confused for one another, when "indistinguishable" here means "can't distinguish which is a boy and which is a girl", which is what the lore is saying.