What job is Y'shtola in 5.0?

Yes maybe a bit of a straw, but I found it kind of suspicous that 2 times it was explizit said that she looks like a Blackmage but it was never said, instead of the other cases in the Trust system, that she is one.

She also appears to be holding something in her left hand?

Interresting need to check that. That aside I really like the design, hope we can get that outfit in some way.

It just looks like a black fingercuff.

https://i.gyazo.com/a7e387147ef4a448...50ddb44470.png

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I can't help but be curious as to why Urianger referred to her as Matoya, especially with her sudden change of job.

Or is an NPC-only job, much like Aymeric, who does both PLD and DRK attacks.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

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I can't help but be curious as to why Urianger referred to her as Matoya, especially with her sudden change of job.

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I highly suspect either it's a title or that there is some kind of infusion of power or power transfer that happens. Possibly the result of a sacrifice. Possibly both.

It is interesting that he didn't out right call her one so maybe she's supposed to be a magus? Which is like a blm but not quite.

Someone mentioned that Urianger may have just been saying "What would Master Matoya say?", his weird speech pattern confounding people as per usual.

Maybe a Sage. But really guess at the end of the day we probaly must wait till the next festival. Yoshi certainly is one of the few persons that brings me to overthink each statement.

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Originally Posted by JunseiKei

Or is an NPC-only job, much like Aymeric, who does both PLD and DRK attacks.

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Really? What DRK attacks does he do? I assumed he'd be very much a paladin, programming-wise - he's even using a recoloured version of the relic sword.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

Someone mentioned that Urianger may have just been saying "What would Master Matoya say?", his weird speech pattern confounding people as per usual.

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And as I replied to it there, I think that was a mis-reading on their part. He seems to be speaking directly to her.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

Someone mentioned that Urianger may have just been saying "What would Master Matoya say?", his weird speech pattern confounding people as per usual.

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That'd be me, and I think there's a possible additional layer to the dialog that may be proving confusing. He may be talking directly to Matoya even if she isn't present - he's done so at least twice before in story important moments, and there's an even chance he's doing it again in this trailer.

So it's possible he's directly addressing Matoya while musing to himself about facing their fate, and Y'shtola chooses to respond.

Also possible that she's taken it up as an identity, or that it's a title, or that this is an alternate universe/timeline version of the characters, wherein the equivalent to our Y'shtola is named Matoya - all of those, plus the "What would Matoya say?" option, feel like they are much more likely to be what is going on than Matoya suddenly deciding to leave her cave and go out and possess the empty shell of her own protege...especially for an individual that -last I checked - does not have the Echo and is not a Resonant.

Perhaps Matoya is more like a title rather than a name, so Y'Shtola may at some point have the mantle of Matoya passed down to her. A bit of a stretch, but just a thought.

Or perhaps Matoya's spirit takes over Y'shtolas body. Because she does respond to him right after. But who knows.
He states something like "What say ith master Matoya "We may accept this fate or defy it, but we cannot deny it"
She responds "Deny, i am not one to run from my troubles" Until our friend returns, i will hold the line"

Witch maybe.

Well whatever the solution might be, I'm sure Matoya will somehow factor into the 5.0 story. I doubt they would namedrop her just to mess with us. As for the job itself...it was teased so much that I really don't think it is Black Mage. It will probably end up being one of the new jobs.

Oh, and don't forget an obvious possibility: Matoya was wearing the illusion of Ysh for some reason.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Really? What DRK attacks does he do? I assumed he'd be very much a paladin, programming-wise - he's even using a recoloured version of the relic sword.




And as I replied to it there, I think that was a mis-reading on their part. He seems to be speaking directly to her.

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I was going to say the same thing. I don't recall Aymeric using any DRK attacks, but was also not paying full attention to him during the solo duties that involve him. But I tend to recognize DRK abilities going off even in chaotic 24-man content because I play it frequently.

As for Y'hstola, I don't see anything other than a dark version of WHM. I know nothing is without meaning when it comes to these things, but SE isn't that subtle when it comes to new job teases. I guess we'll just have to continue to wait and speculate.

Looks like a NPC version of Black Mage to me.

We experience this a lot in the past where NPCs have their own version of Jobs and their abilities.

"What sayest thou, Master Matoya? We may accept this fate, or defy it, but we can not deny it"
"Deny? I am not one to run from my troubles. Until our friend returns, I will hold the line" - Exact wording

'What sayest thou, Master Matoya?' translates to 'What say you, Matoya?' So clearly he is talking to Matoya here. Hes pretty much asking what she plans to do with this predicament they are in and in turn she answers, but with Y'shtola's body (for whatever reason).

Also, for Y'shtola's job, it is clearly a DPS based on what was said when discussing Trusts. She is some variation of black mage, imo. It isn't uncommon for NPCs to be a mix of different jobs in this game, so I do expect she will have some abilities that we wont.

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Originally Posted by Maero

Or perhaps Matoya's spirit takes over Y'shtolas body. Because she does respond to him right after. But who knows.
He states something like "What say ith master Matoya "We may accept this fate or defy it, but we cannot deny it"
She responds "Deny, i am not one to run from my troubles" Until our friend returns, i will hold the line"

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When you read it this way, another possibility perhaps comes to mind. Y'shtola had talked to Matoya and Urangier was asking what she had told Y'shtola. Maybe Matoya was able to contact Y'shtola wherever the rest are now? So many possibilities, kind of like Varis in the 4.5 trailer was nothing like what actually occurred.

As for the job, even when we played as her she wasn't a true whm. Scion NPC's have also job changed a few times, case in point Thancred who has yet another new job to use.

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Originally Posted by Daralii

It just looks like a black fingercuff.

https://i.gyazo.com/a7e387147ef4a448...50ddb44470.png

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Going by Fate logic, she's just (alter) and hasn't changed jobs.

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Originally Posted by Edax

Going by Fate logic, she's just (alter) and hasn't changed jobs.

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As Purrsnikitty mentioned above, if we go by the Trust portion of the keynote, she seems to play a DPS role, unless Trust is role neutral.

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Originally Posted by linay

As Purrsnikitty mentioned above, if we go by the Trust portion of the keynote, she seems to play a DPS role, unless Trust is role neutral.

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It makes you also wonder some about the Trust system, Urangier became healer from dps and Y'shtola dps from healer. Add on Thancred from dps as well and I wonder if it was a way we can have a Trust of who we want in a non-traditional role for that NPC, but with me playing a healer could still have Y'shtola as a member of my Trust. It would be a shame to tanks and healers if they couldn't use a Trust with 3 characters unlocked if one was only the role that the player wants to go in as.

Would be cool if she is a blm and whm in one. That being said I love the new outfit so much.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

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I can't help but be curious as to why Urianger referred to her as Matoya, especially with her sudden change of job.

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Listen carefully to the first thing Yshtola says in the video. There's a pretty noticeable distortion in her voice, then it suddenly reverts to normal.

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Originally Posted by Rosa_Frandlia

When you read it this way, another possibility perhaps comes to mind. Y'shtola had talked to Matoya and Urangier was asking what she had told Y'shtola. Maybe Matoya was able to contact Y'shtola wherever the rest are now? So many possibilities, kind of like Varis in the 4.5 trailer was nothing like what actually occurred.

As for the job, even when we played as her she wasn't a true whm. Scion NPC's have also job changed a few times, case in point Thancred who has yet another new job to use.

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Hmm guess I figured it out after I listened to the german version. It looks like Matoya took over the body from Y'shtola but I am maybe wrong there.

Wild theory: this is a sign of WHM being abandoned, especially if other new job is healer, muahaha… ;p

I'm gonna have to say some kind of oracle. Urionge (or however the seven hells you spell his name) referred to her as Matoya. So my guess is that Y'shtola is channeling the spirits of the dead somehow.

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Originally Posted by Lunafreya

Would be cool if she is a blm and whm in one. That being said I love the new outfit so much.

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Technically, isn't that already possible? Jobs are really just there for game mechanics. There's no stopping a character from using whatever magic they want so long as it's allowed within the lore (limitations can be things like the medium used but I don't know if, say, a wood cane is a strict requirement for White Magic since it seems like you can manipulate Aether without anything like that as shown by people like Y'shtola and Krile performing magic without any weapon).

'Stola's almost always used a wand or a staff though and the scions themselves don't play by the rules when it comes to abilities.

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Originally Posted by SannaR

'Stola's almost always used a wand or a staff though and the scions themselves don't play by the rules when it comes to abilities.

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True but as far as magic goes she can't use black magic without a blm soul stone. Literally no one can. It regulates your aether preventing you from being incinerated from the inside out. We learn this in the HW blm quest line DX

It's been a few hours and some sleep later but I do remember hearing Yoshi P using the words 'kuro madoshi' to describe Y'shtola during the reveal, which basically means black mage. At the very least when they brought up the Trust System she was termed as the 'DPS' while Thancred was the 'tank' and Urianger was the 'healer'. I do think if anything though she's just going to be a thaumaturge for reasons that others have pointed out. Even when she was a healer she was always classified as a conjurer and not a white mage.

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Originally Posted by Transient_Shadow

True but as far as magic goes she can't use black magic without a blm soul stone. Literally no one can. It regulates your aether preventing you from being incinerated from the inside out. We learn this in the HW blm quest line DX

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True, but that doesn't stop thms from slinging fire and ice spells which are black magic spells. Or the numerous thm enemies. There's obviously more than one stone out there becasue our lala trainer probably would have died regardless of sharing a body with our world's Shantoto.

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Originally Posted by Transient_Shadow

True but as far as magic goes she can't use black magic without a blm soul stone. Literally no one can. It regulates your aether preventing you from being incinerated from the inside out. We learn this in the HW blm quest line DX

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She's using what looks like Matoya's staff, but with the Crystal Eye fitted into it. I could see that filling the same purpose as the soul crystal when it comes to aether regulation, especially with how attuned Y'Shtola is to aether after her dip in the Lifestream.

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Originally Posted by Transient_Shadow

True but as far as magic goes she can't use black magic without a blm soul stone. Literally no one can. It regulates your aether preventing you from being incinerated from the inside out. We learn this in the HW blm quest line DX

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While that is the case, there are Less forms of the BLM spells we know NPCs can access exclusively for themselves. We have seen this many times already and while these skills are consider "lesser" forms of Job skills, they are still just as effective.

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Originally Posted by SannaR

True, but that doesn't stop thms from slinging fire and ice spells which are black magic spells. Or the numerous thm enemies. There's obviously more than one stone out there becasue our lala trainer probably would have died regardless of sharing a body with our world's Shantoto.

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Maybe BLM soulstones are as dirt-cheap as BLU's soulstones and sold as souvenirs somewhere.

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Originally Posted by AriaFairchild

Maybe BLM soulstones are as dirt-cheap as BLU's soulstones and sold as souvenirs somewhere.

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I'm inclined to believe either Y'shtola got her hands on a soul crystal, or just... made her own. This is Y'shtola we're talking about. It's also possible she's gotten so talented with personal aether manipulation that she can regulate it herself without the need of a soul crystal.

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Originally Posted by AriaFairchild

Maybe BLM soulstones are as dirt-cheap as BLU's soulstones and sold as souvenirs somewhere.

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Unlike whm lore wise I don't think there's a reason why there couldn't be more than one. There just wouldn't be many soul stones as their kind of old and after the great flood black mages and thus black magic became highly unpopular and if I remember right it was even outlawed for a bit? After all Mach had to have enough mages around to control the various Voidsent they went about using and or imprisoning.

Willing to bet it's Matoya occupying her body and part of the story for the trust system is trying to recover Shtola's and the rest of the scion's souls.