Anyone else want a black mage race? (puppet)

Anyone else want a black mage race from Final Fantasy IX?


Black mage (Final Fantasy IX)
Kuja called them black mages, dark spawn of the Mist.
—Soulcage
Black mages are autonomous, man-sized magician dolls mass-produced as weapons of war by Queen Brahne of Alexandria due to Kuja's influence. Final Fantasy IX is the only game that has black mages as a distinct race, rather than a job.

Black mages' faces are dark with two glowing eyes and they always wear the distinctive steepled hat. The most prominent black mage in the game is Vivi Ornitier, who joins the player's party in the beginning.
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/...20111127191319Black mages are created from Mist to be the soulless magical arm of their master. They are similar to the Genomes in being artificially produced organisms. Kuja's teaching Queen Brahne how to manufacture them is implied to be due to his knowledge on how Genomes are made. The Final Fantasy IX Ultimania explains that the black mages differ from the Genomes in that they are made out of Gaian elements, whereas Genomes are made out of Terran elements.[1]

Mammets or whatever would be the BLM race if anything.

mammets are chibi-sized versions of blm race, black mage race are same size of Hyur/human/humanoid/whatever.

I think Lala's are probably the race most associated with black magic and thaumaturgy. Mamets are constructs and not actually living creatures. some of them have sentience but that all depends on their creators and the materials used.

I think the closest thing to what OP is wanting is in the Heavensward Hildibrand quest line

If SE ever does a allied race spree like WoW just started lol then yeah absolutely! But in the depth of a normal race like "hyur" or "viera" I just can't see it happening lol. Like if we got a special clan blast for all the races and one of them for lala was vivi race that'd be pretty cool imo, lore could be they are from the magic sister city of uldah that had the dark magic incident (cursed city residents).

I would say no because there's almost no customizable options. Everyone would be identical.

When I was playing FFIX, I was rather uncertain about whether Vivi is actually supposed to look the way we see him, or if it's just a weird high-res take on the classic black mage sprite.

Mainly, there's that whole running debate about whether he's really human - and if he actually looks like that, then surely the answer is "clearly not"?

Perhaps the word is being used in the loose way that this game's translators try to avoid, where (I understand) the Japanese version calls the player-races "human" and the English version substitutes "men" or "mortals".

But it still makes me think that perhaps the other characters aren't seeing the black-shadowed 'monster' we see in the game's art style, but someone who looks human (even though he actually isn't).

I'd rather have some sort of Mammeteer job. It could be another limited job centered around Minions.

If we're consistently trying to pull classes in from other games, I'm putting forward the Aion Cleric.
A sword and board healing class, that also has the option of a two handed weapon when some mobs just require dps.

Bring this type of class in here please!
https://board.en.aion.gameforge.com/...s-Information/

People can say if I like this class so much then go and play the game. Well that's precisely my response to those who keep quoting IX, XI, or whatever.

The 'classic' Black Mage design is already echoed in the BLM AF1 set design, and the designs for the mammets (the clockwork automatons made in Ul'dah that are often used for menial tasks). In fact, FFIX's Vivi actually appears in the HW Hildibrand questline as an actual mammet complete with his FFIX appearence (he gets around with the name 'Gigi', but it's stated his real name is literally Vivi), and you even get him as a minion at the end of the quest line.

Also the 'Minion of Light' minion previously offered as a Veteran Reward for subscribing for a certain length of time in the game has as one of it's random appearences the classic FFI Black Mage sprite (along with Fighter and White Mage), so I'm afraid you are not going to see FFIX's Black Mage race here I'm sorry.

Obvious issues with customization aside I don't think that the mammets prevent a race choice being possible. Like the sister city of uldah, if trapped below with the dark magic/incident culling their population being forced into housing their most powerful mages souls in advanced mammet shells. Or whatever lol, you could make it work is all I'm saying. Of course due to the customization issues its not really a full on race, but if SE felt like it cause whatever then I dont see it being an issue. Like I said a sort of WoW "allied races" spree, obviously the lack of detail would make them rather straight forward to add in that way lol. In no way comparable to adding something like Viera but could be neat as some sort of "we did it because we can".



Also I really want to see an underground magic city and I just see those two being an easy bundle lol (not that I need vivi but I thought he was cute).

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Originally Posted by Freyt

I'd rather have some sort of Mammeteer job. It could be another limited job centered around Minions.

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Get that limited nonsense outta here. I am thoroughly unimpressed with what limited has meant to Blue Mage and I'd rather not see it repeated in a job I'd really love. Yoshi P is just really, REALLY does not like pet jobs.

...when I read the title I expected a concept for a Gold Saucer minigame with mechanical blackmages racing each other while you'd be able to bet on them or something along those lines... I need to sleep more and read less right after getting up and before a cup of tea...

This doesnt look like a cute animal girl my friend, not gonna fly

Have to say No. IF and that is a big IF since the rumor is no more races after viera, then it should be something unique to XIV.

Like some kind of Alagan mutant thing. Though we already have the Au ra which I still suspect as being just that.

Same reply for any other "anyone else want XXXX race"

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Originally Posted by Palladiamors

Get that limited nonsense outta here. I am thoroughly unimpressed with what limited has meant to Blue Mage and I'd rather not see it repeated in a job I'd really love. Yoshi P is just really, REALLY does not like pet jobs.

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I have been thoroughly impressed with what limited has meant to Blue Mage, and I'd rather see it repeated.

I'm not aware of any Mammeteer job in the franchise before, unless of course you mean Puppetmaster? We've got another thread begging SE not to implement so much of XI into XIV, so unless you're adamantly opposed to that user, we could simply have it be a different job entirely to your precious Puppetmaster.

final fantasy ix is good game and the version for psx have bugged history, maps, and grafical and it are guilty of psx, and not of square enix....
In ffix are 2 puppets race; the genome race of homunculi and black mage race of puppets

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Originally Posted by Raulram

final fantasy ix is good game and the version for psx have bugged history, maps, and grafical and it are guilty of psx, and not of square enix....
In ffix are 2 puppets race; the genome race of homunculi and black mage race of puppets

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I dont think anyone here is saying that FFIX isnt a good game - just that the blackmage-automates arent a good "race-fit" for FFXIV.

Seeing how their basic design consist of (basically) two things, I can see why:
(1) The siginature BLM-robe - we actually kinda got that in the form of the latest BLM-AF
(2) The lack of a face and instead having this black, void space with two yellow glowing eyes - this also only works well in combination with the giant hat they're wearing

Other than that, they seem like humans (or in Vivis case: closer to lalafell) - nothing about them is unique, in terms of movement or features if you take away the robe and the void-space-face. They have the same statue as humans/lalafell, walk the same...

Now, what happens when a BLM-puppet wants to play a tank? And for that puts on some tank-armor? Bäm! The signature BLM-robe is gone and hes different from a hyur/lalafell how? By having a black cloud instead of a head?
And how well does the "black cloud for a head and no hair"-thing work in a game where people constantly ask for better customisation-options? (Actually, it would work GREAT for the dev-team - no need to give BLMs any options besides height, bust and eye-colour - no hairstyle, no facial features...)

What you're left with at this point is the lore - which sounds intresting enough, but seems to be more suited for a "beast"-tribe: Puppets coming to life, becoming selfconcious and founding a nice little village (sounds familiar?).
Now, I'm not 100% if having the echo requires you to also have a beating heart, but I dont see the WoL being something else but a living creature.

The genomes are actual living creatures now - but having them in the game would basically just be a "human with monkey features"-race.

FFIX is a great game (specially the german translation for once! For ONCE we got a translation thats better than the english one! Ha! ...sorry... got carried away... seriously, its pretty damn good), no one is doubting that (I hope) - but that doesnt mean that you can just port those races over without thinking about how (or if at all) they could fit into Eorzea. My guess is: The BLMs wont fit in to well, at least not as playable race since they dont have enough unique features, specially visually. The Genomes... well, they could make for another "human-with-tail"-race. I personally consider those kind of races boring, but to each their own...

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Originally Posted by Vidu

What you're left with at this point is the lore - which sounds intresting enough, but seems to be more suited for a "beast"-tribe: Puppets coming to life, becoming selfconcious and founding a nice little village (sounds familiar?).

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it a good idea

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The Black Mage Village is a location on the Outer Continent in Final Fantasy IX populated by black mages who have become self-aware and desire a life of peace. The black mages lead a secluded life in their village concealed by the illusion of the Dead Forest. The houses resemble the head and hat of a typical black mage.

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very well... the black mage village are one good idea from ffix to add ffxiv
never thinked of blm race a playable race but a npc race

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Originally Posted by Raulram

it a good idea


very well... the black mage village are one good idea from ffix to add ffxiv
never thinked of blm race a playable race but a npc race

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If you never wanted the Blackmages to be a playable race, there must have been some missunderstanding here.

If you want to see some refrences to FFIX and specially to one beloved blackmage, I recommend you do the Hillidibran-quest in Heavensward - you might end up meeting a little mammet you know...

If they ever do they better add a Cait Sith, Moogle, and Chocobo player race's after it.