Blue Mage is a masterpiece of game design.

With Blue Mage, they've breathed new life into FFXIV and created an entire new way to view content and play the game. I have every job to 70, and this is the most fun I've had playing an MMO in years.

Utterly astounded.

Sitting around waiting for enemies to spawn is amazing. You can really take part in a living, breathing world.

There are people in the overworld!! LMAOSAJDFHKL!! It's like Im back in ARR. There are Tam Tara Deep croft parties!!

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Originally Posted by HiroesX81

There are people in the overworld!! LMAOSAJDFHKL!! It's like Im back in ARR. There are Tam Tara Deep croft parties!!

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https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/...n-williams.jpg

This is awesome. I’m having a really good time learning the spells and talking with others.

Now let us see how many replies we get from those that were against "limited job" and say how much they are enjoying themselves

I onlt managed to play for half an hour this morning and...it was nice. I'm serious. With chocobo buddy in tow, using ground mounts I haven't used in a looooong time, I liked going to the bat cave and learning blood fang. Then ran up to those goblins and learning bomb toss. I almost called in sick today just to play blu all day.


Why Eureka wasn't this much fun?

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Originally Posted by Maero

Now let us see how many replies we get from those that were against "limited job" and say how much they are enjoying themselves

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Mother of strawman, Batman. Most people who were against Limited Jobs were never against what we were getting, but against the Limited part of it, about all the restrictions. I reckon I'd enjoy it quite a bit once I get home and unlock it. I also imagine it will soon find itself on the shelf, collecting dust once I'm done with it.

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Originally Posted by Maero

Now let us see how many replies we get from those that were against "limited job" and say how much they are enjoying themselves

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You can be against the Limited system and still enjoy yourself, things don't have to be purely black and white.

Yeah, people have been asking for new gameplay content for a long time, and although this may not be a new formula to dungeons and trials, it's a good step in the right direction.

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Originally Posted by SenorPatty

I almost called in sick today just to play blu all day.

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tell your boss you are "Feeling BLU". they wont notice ;)

I just logged off after playing BLU with 3 other friends and we had a blast. Learning spells was pretty fun, some spells are kinda OP, and right before we all had to log out, we did a 4 man BLU Tam Tara to see if we could learn Mind Blast. We were able to go through the entire dungeon with very little trouble.

Sadly, RNG was not on our side and we didn't learn it..

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Originally Posted by SenorPatty

I almost called in sick today just to play blu all day.

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Though... I see this every time there's a new content patch; "I'm gonna take my vacation days to play the new patch all day!" and "I'm gonna call in sick as I care more for video games than work ethics to play the new patch all day!" And then the forums are flooded with threads about how people can't play because the servers are congested because everyone thought the same thing. :p And by the time I get hom from work, the servers are no longer congested. No point in skipping work on patch days, better just be patient and enjoy being able to log in when we get home.

Actually enjoying it. I thought I'd be bored but am not.

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Originally Posted by Shadowshinra

You can be against the Limited system and still enjoy yourself, things don't have to be purely black and white.

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Yeah agreed. Liking one does not exclude liking/wanting the other, really hope we dont see this argument pop up a lot - they're not mutually exclusive.

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Originally Posted by Nora_of_Mira

tell your boss you are "Feeling BLU". they wont notice ;)

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Oh you!


That was a good one goddamit!

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Originally Posted by Maero

Now let us see how many replies we get from those that were against "limited job" and say how much they are enjoying themselves

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It's not so much the job or the new content it's how it's limited in so many ways that everyone wishes it was an actual job and not some gimmick which it is a gimmick but a fun one. My issue was and always will be when I finally get to the carnival and I've done everything that the job can ask for it's going to leave me not wanting more but where's the rest of it? And it's been answered where the level cap and us getting new spells will come later, yes it's fun to pick up and play with friends and learn all the new spells but after that wears off its limitations will come through.

I love getting all the abilities and the leveling surprisingly isn't bad at all and it's the first time I've actually been running around the world but that's it, I love getting all these new spells and figuring out where they were based off my memory of the monsters using their abilities. People aren't against the idea of BLU, they're against the idea that BLU will be what it is and won't expand, who knows maybe this is a test run and we'll get the full thing later down the road, with all this being said I still want BLU to be a fully playable job instead of being side content where the fun is gone after you get it all so fast before it even took off.

So why its not part of the rest of the game, the same as it now.

Everyone? Glad you speak for everyone. Sorry but you're not even in the majority on this one I would suspect. Speak for yourself please.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

how it's limited in so many ways that everyone wishes it was an actual job/QUOTE]

Everyone? Glad you speak for everyone. Sorry but you're not even in the majority on this one I would suspect. Speak for yourself please.

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*Not everyone but a large majority of people wish that it was*

:rolleyes:

I'm obviously not speaking for everyone but if you've been reading the forums or the Reddit you'd be a little informed rather than speaking on behalf of everyone else on the forums.

Large majority? Please share your related poll/documentation for this. Gets really old coming here and listening to the vocal minority think the game revolves around them.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Large majority? Please share your related poll/documentation for this. Gets really old coming here and listening to the vocal minority think the game revolves around them

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http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...our-support%21

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...xing-Blue-Mage

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...o-rest-of-game

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ted_heres_why/

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ge_discussion/

Just to name a few but the community has been vocal about it just as such there are people who enjoy it and they should I wasn't speaking for everyone but a large majority and these are only a few threads of the giant debate that's been going on for weeks now, you must be living under a rock if you missed it.

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Originally Posted by Awful

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...our-support%21

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...xing-Blue-Mage

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...o-rest-of-game

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ted_heres_why/

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ge_discussion/

Just to name a few but the community has been vocal about it just as such there are people who enjoy it and they should I wasn't speaking for everyone but a large majority and these are only a few threads of the giant debate that's been going on for weeks now, you must be living under a rock if you missed it.

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Forums aren't the community, sorry. They represent a small portion of it.

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Originally Posted by Awful

I'm obviously not speaking for everyone but if you've been reading the forums or the Reddit you'd be a little informed rather than speaking on behalf of everyone else on the forums.

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Considering how hoted are the debate in both reddit and the forums and the actual number of people posting on those, you'd be a little more informed to not call you part of a "large majority". Every debate is between two vocal minorities because the majority don't speak.

Especially since people saying they want BLU as a regular job don't know what they'd have to sacrifice for that. They say things like "It's easy to have both" without any actual evidence on how the job would have to be implemented, or would be received, used and dealt with in real situations.

And, they'd still probably complain that we don't have any new type of content to sink some of our time...

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Forums aren't the community, sorry. They represent a small portion of it.

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That's how surveys work. You don't need to ask the entire population. Just a small sample to extrapolate.

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

That's how surveys work. You don't need to ask the entire population. Just a small sample to extrapolate.

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oh really and that sample is statistically significant? Sorry done here going back to having fun with blu and happy it's not a real job.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Forums aren't the community, sorry. They represent a small portion of it.

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Polls are always extrapolated from a smaller community and this is the largest data set we have:

https://i.imgur.com/GPDGEOm.png
https://www.strawpoll.me/16866229/r
(~6k)
Also 100+ votes on the forum tends to be a pretty good number size (some of those threads).

The poll really needed a third choice imo of "would you like to see both?" but seeing as people were stuck between two options there is clearly some people who want something. Personal really do not want learning mechanic removed, but want to see it raid as well (obviously in DF changes need to be made for balance, but leave limited side alone).

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Also 100+ votes on the forum tends to be a pretty good number size.[/HB]

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100 votes from a forum community? That represents the community? You can't be serious. My statistics teacher would love these comments.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

100 votes from a forum community? That represents the community? You can't be serious. My statistics teacher would love these comments.

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A good number for this community -_- (numbers don't get much larger than that very often). Please don't be facetious.

Besides I also linked a poll with nearly 6K votes (which was quite divided, and needed more options but still a large number lol), I was merely stating that on the forums 100+ is a pretty large number (forums don't get much attention).

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Originally Posted by Hasrat

Just a small sample to extrapolate.

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You still need a decent sample for your result to have any relevance. And the actual number of people using the forums is way to small to make an extrapolation to the whole playerbase.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

A good number for this community -_- (numbers don't get much larger than that very often). Please don't be facetious.

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You have no clue how statistical polling works do you? I suggest you take a class in statistics. Your assumptions and conclusions are laughable if you think they in anyway represent the FFXIV community and I'm not being facetious.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

You have no clue how statistical polling works so you. I suggest you take a class in statistics. Your assumptions and conclusions are laughable and I'm not being facetious.

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You're being very rude. I linked a poll with nearly 6K votes, and then just mentioned for the forums that 100+ is a large number (best numbers the forum can offer due to it's lack of attention). I have also taken many statistics classes as part of my degree.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

You're being very rude. I linked a poll with nearly 6K votes, and then just mentioned for the forums that 100+ is a large number (best numbers the forum can offer due to it's lack of attention). I have also taken many statistics classes as part of my degree.

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Well then you should know that is not a representative population and as a result the results are meaningless when trying to infer they represent the community at large.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

Well then you know that is not a representative population and as a result the results are meaningless when trying to infer they represent the community at large.

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You can infer from the 6K, with some error. 100+ is not the best but as I said you were very rude for what I said. "This is the largest data set we have" I didn't say "get knowledge punk:" or something. You could have said you're not comfortable with 6K (which could actually give us info on the population). I understand 100+ not being up to standards (hilarious in size comparison to actual population) but serious why attack me so especially when I lead with a value that might tell us something ;/.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

not being up to standards ;/.

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No it's not glad you finally agree, thank you.

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Originally Posted by Maero

Now let us see how many replies we get from those that were against "limited job" and say how much they are enjoying themselves

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Wanting more of something does not mean you didn't want any of it.

100 people polled all from the same small town are not going to be representative of an entire country. They'll probably be a pretty good representation of that town.

SE has posted themselves that less than 3% of players regularly post in the forums, and something like over 60% have never stepped foot here. So even if you had 100% unanimous support for something on the forum, it would still be an absolutely minuscule portion of players, and therefore not remotely representative of the player base.

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Originally Posted by Awful

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...our-support%21

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...xing-Blue-Mage

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...o-rest-of-game

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ted_heres_why/

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ge_discussion/

Just to name a few but the community has been vocal about it just as such there are people who enjoy it and they should I wasn't speaking for everyone but a large majority and these are only a few threads of the giant debate that's been going on for weeks now, you must be living under a rock if you missed it.

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Might be vocal but most of these opinions were pre release of Blu and peoples opinions change. I also didn't like what they did with BLU at first but now it's growing on me.

Blue Mage has Flying Sardine.

I can throw fishes at 10 potency.

Best class ever.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

No it's not glad you finally agree, thank you.

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I never disagreed, it's why I lead with 6K... (and merely stated "100+ is the best you're going to get here" as an aside).