Excited for New Game +

I am personally excited for New Game + and would love to relive the MSQ without having to create a new character. I am hoping they can add in the class quests into the NG+ because I made the mistake of using a jump on a Job thinking I can go back into the book and relive some of the Job quest only to be a bit disappointed. I have just decided to do the grind on any new job but would really love to see NG+ for Jobs.

ThoughtS?

As long as we aren't locked out of new MSQ, yeah that sounds pretty cool. I can't remember much from MSQ from 3-5 years ago.

The only reason I see for a new game + would be to allow players who missed the pre-calamity the chance to do that... otherwise, meh.

I don't really understand the point. Is it just the ability to re-run old quests you already completed in the past? Does it reset your level? If there's info on this... where is it?

I'm really looking forward to be an errant girl again at the end of 2.x storyline.

I'm divided. Honestly, I just wanted the ability to replay some msq solo duties, not replay the game from scratch.

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Originally Posted by Raldo

I don't really understand the point. Is it just the ability to re-run old quests you already completed in the past? Does it reset your level? If there's info on this... where is it?

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It's so you can redo the story again, but without having to re-level, and (presumably) without locking yourself out of content you've already unlocked.

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Originally Posted by Jandor

It's so you can redo the story again, but without having to re-level, and (presumably) without locking yourself out of content you've already unlocked.

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Would be hilarious if you had to go through the whole story again to get back to being able to do the new content. . . like the very painful but very funny kind of hilarious XD..

I'm curious if you can "new game+" on a job you haven't leveled all the way. Doesn't really help me that much unless I can choose which expansion to go back to but I imagine some people might like the ability to do that on a job they've not leveled.

Also wonder how they'll handle the GC, if you can have two GC active at once or if you'll have to abandon one to try a new one. They might have covered some of these curiosities already but I can't recall then lol.

Hope they put a mount and some glam behind the feature. Give people incentive to do it.

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Originally Posted by ElazulHP

Hope they put a mount and some glam behind the feature. Give people incentive to do it.

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People have been asking to be able to go back and re-do the story. That's the incentive. It won't be a feature for everyone.

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Originally Posted by Raldo

I don't really understand the point. Is it just the ability to re-run old quests you already completed in the past? Does it reset your level? If there's info on this... where is it?

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it doesn't affect lvl at all, and it resets your main questline completely. (you can't choose to go back to a certain point its flat lvl 1 story) there is only alittle info on it from the fanfest LL

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Would be hilarious if you had to go through the whole story again to get back to being able to do the new content. . . like the very painful but very funny kind of hilarious XD.

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if it works like yoshi p described a story reset would have to work years ago.

yes you have to recomplete it to do current content, and it will also reset any trials/dungeons related to MSQ due to the switched are contented and can't be separated due to technical difficulties.

BUT that is only if it works how yoshi p stated from interviews years ago.

The real question is will it reset quest rewards? Because I'd prolly run through MSQ again if it meant I got another fantasia from doing Praetorium lol

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Originally Posted by ApolloGenX

The only reason I see for a new game + would be to allow players who missed the pre-calamity the chance to do that... otherwise, meh.

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What do you mean pre-calamity? The would be version 1.0, but 2.0 (ARR) which is where the New Game + would start is post-calamity is it not?

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Originally Posted by Musashidon

if it works like yoshi p described a story reset would have to work years ago.

yes you have to recomplete it to do current content, and it will also reset any trials/dungeons related to MSQ due to the switched are contented and can't be separated due to technical difficulties.

BUT that is only if it works how yoshi p stated from interviews years ago.

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I'm guessing that that's not the case. New Game + quests are probably just like for like copies of the original quests, it's the easiest way I can think of to do it.

If it's technically a new quest chain you don't have to change any underlying code, no worries about locking people out of stuff, can mess with quest rewards without affecting the original stuff, etc.

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Originally Posted by Jandor

I'm guessing that that's not the case. New Game + quests are probably just like for like copies of the original quests, it's the easiest way I can think of to do it.

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I would assume the "easiest" way to do it would be to reset all the quest complete flags - sending you back to the start of the story with everything undone. Having to duplicate every single quest sounds like it would be a lot more complicated on their end.

If it does simply reset everything, I would imagine you might still have access via teleport to expansion areas (so you could still go on hunts and things), since the only thing gating you from those locations the first time around is that the gatekeeps (across the Steps of Faith and Baelsar's Wall) won't let you through.

And if resetting everything sounds like a poor way of doing it, it's possible that they know that but it's they only way they can do it, and that's why they've been hesitant to do it. But people keep asking, so it's better to implement this imperfect-but-doable way for those who want to use it, than to continue to refuse altogether.

My only question is, is ng+ permanent like in dark souls ng+. Or is it like a mode we can turn on and off?

I've leveled so many alts (and more I'll level for Viera) that this feature does nothing for me -laughs-. I'm glad for people it might be useful to, though.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

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I really can't see it being a pure reset of every story quest, no matter what route they ultimately end up taking to implement it.

It might technically be the easiest way of doing it for them, but doing so turns a potentially rather neat feature into something that's basically pointless. That and I can't see them making New Game + a reliable way to get free fantasias, but if they just reset the flags that's what will happen as it's a quest reward at one point.

You figure out a way to make one exception, and you may as well apply it to everything that could use one. Anything less frankly just comes across as laziness.

Edit: also, I wouldn't say duplicating the quests is complicated, they can clearly implement new quest chains easy enough, that's all this would be, a very long "new" quest chain. Except instead of writing it and making new cutscenes, etc. they're literally just copy/pasting across from existing quests.

Incredibly tedious to do maybe, feel for the poor guy that hypothetically gets lumbered with that job, but nothing about it seems complicated as such.

I think it's just going to be a lazy "make every quest available again" and nerf potential interesting rewards (like the praetorium fantasia) so that people cannot chain these quests over and over. For me it's just a way of accessing back what is not possible to view in the inn (mostly field dialogues and solo instances...)

SO WHO'S READY FOR RAUBAHN EXTREME 2.0 ?!

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Originally Posted by Mansion

I think it's just going to be a lazy "make every quest available again" and nerf potential interesting rewards (like the praetorium fantasia) so that people cannot chain these quests over and over. For me it's just a way of accessing back what is not possible to view in the inn (mostly field dialogues and solo instances...)

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You're not exactly going to be "chaining" the Ultimate Weapon quest for your free Fantasia if it resets everything, every time. How many times do you want to go through the ARR MSQ just for that - all those long annoying fetchquests that everyone hates - and still need to get back through Heavensward and Stormblood before getting back to the current point of the MSQ?

If anyone wants to put themselves through that repeatedly for a single Fantasia each time, I think they'd be welcome to it.


Although if you just want to go over field dialogue, the quest scripts on Garland Tools are fantastic for that. Not quite as nice as seeing it in context, but a lot easier to revisit!

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Originally Posted by Iscah

You're not exactly going to be "chaining" the Ultimate Weapon quest for your free Fantasia if it resets everything, every time. How many times do you want to go through the ARR MSQ just for that - all those long annoying fetchquests that everyone hates - and still need to get back through Heavensward and Stormblood before getting back to the current point of the MSQ?

If anyone wants to put themselves through that repeatedly for a single Fantasia each time, I think they'd be welcome to it.


Although if you just want to go over field dialogue, the quest scripts on Garland Tools are fantastic for that. Not quite as nice as seeing it in context, but a lot easier to revisit!

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I'm saying that more in reflexion to what Yoshi P said in the Fanfest. To me at least, it kind of sounded like he meant you could choose which parts you want to play again.

Of course FFXIV has excellent external resources, but it is a way to have it within the game now.

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Originally Posted by SenorPatty

I'm divided. Honestly, I just wanted the ability to replay some msq solo duties, not replay the game from scratch.

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I think a lot of people just wanted exactly that. And yet it seems that they overdid it again and we have to play through the whole part of the MSQ to replay one solo duty. (I think Yoshida said to Koji that he would have to play x parts too, so it seems that if we want to do a solo duty in HW we have to play through all of HW again)

I mean those that wanted to see the whole MSQ again could just start an alt character.

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Originally Posted by Jandor

Edit: also, I wouldn't say duplicating the quests is complicated, [...] Incredibly tedious to do maybe, feel for the poor guy that hypothetically gets lumbered with that job, but nothing about it seems complicated as such.

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"Tedious" means lots of hours of work that they have to pay someone to do for very little tangible benefit, instead of something more important and original.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

I think a lot of people just wanted exactly that. And yet it seems that they overdid it again and we have to play through the whole part of the MSQ to replay one solo duty.

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They said in an interview some time ago that they couldn't let us replay solo duties because it would mess with where the game thinks we are in the MSQ.

So my best guess at what that tells us about the underlying system tracking our quests is that it isn't "marking duties off a list" as you complete them, but a single note "you are up to quest objective #XX", and completing that solo fight is hardwired to set that record to, say, "#45" upon completion of the duty. In which case being able to replay the duty would overwrite your actual quest number, and force-reset all your progress beyond the end of that fight.

My two biggest hopes would be

1) to pick which expansion you start at. I know they can't let you just pick at individual quests, but since the jump potions are separated by expansion, would be nice if ng+ let you start at a specific expansion. I love HW and would replay it a dozen times, but having to replay all of ARR every time just to replay HW would be a bit rough (though I have done it like 4x on alts)

2) it gives xp! I would love a questing way to level alt jobs instead of palace/dungeon grind!!

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Originally Posted by Iscah

"Tedious" means lots of hours of work that they have to pay someone to do for very little tangible benefit, instead of something more important and original.

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You know I'm not arguing that that's how it should be implemented right?

I'm arguing that if it just hard resets you, and therefore locks you out of 90% of the game, then it's a crap feature implemented as lazily as possible. The rest was just theory crafting how they could/might get around their own limitations, frankly, I don't really care how it's done.

I'm a little worried this is going to restart the whole MSQ. That it is a misunderstanding/mistranslation thing like the Male bunny suits. I know I saw him talking about it over a year ago (I think at a PAX thing) he said it would require a restart of the MSQ to be able to redo any, and he asked if that was what was meant everyone started cheering- the look of confused surprise on his face.... it was the same as he got when talking about the boy bunny suits.

I'm thinking it's not going to work the where you can go redo the little sun quest without doing alllllllll the MSQ prior.

I don't see the appeal with New Game+ unless they're allowing us to revisit older quests and instances with new players. I hated finally getting my GF to play the game and having to sit out during certain instanced MSQ.

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Originally Posted by seraseth

My two biggest hopes would be

1) to pick which expansion you start at. I know they can't let you just pick at individual quests, but since the jump potions are separated by expansion, would be nice if ng+ let you start at a specific expansion. I love HW and would replay it a dozen times, but having to replay all of ARR every time just to replay HW would be a bit rough (though I have done it like 4x on alts)

2) it gives xp! I would love a questing way to level alt jobs instead of palace/dungeon grind!!

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This is how I feel, I'd love to level alt jobs by taking them through MSQ! And especially considering what level the new jobs tend to unlock at, HW and SB would be ideal (plus, they are more engaging storylines). However, if this makes it so that you cannot do any endgame content until you finish it, I probably won't use it. It would mean I'd have to zip through so I could still do weekly stuff with my FC, which makes it totally unappealing.

It's for people who bought jump potions

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Originally Posted by seraseth

My two biggest hopes would be

1) to pick which expansion you start at. I know they can't let you just pick at individual quests, but since the jump potions are separated by expansion, would be nice if ng+ let you start at a specific expansion. I love HW and would replay it a dozen times, but having to replay all of ARR every time just to replay HW would be a bit rough (though I have done it like 4x on alts)

2) it gives xp! I would love a questing way to level alt jobs instead of palace/dungeon grind!!

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This is my hope to do. I I leveled my DRK to 45 just with palace grinds and honestly I am tired of it. I would love to take my other jobs and just power though them using the MSQ or palace just to switch them up. I really hope NG+ includes Job Story quests as well.

Yes. I hope they do them for job quests too. Because I would like to rerun the DRK job quests at least 3 times.( Yes the storyline is that good)