It's gone too far about the mog station SE

Never mind about this thread. Have a happy new year everyone!

They did give us a snazzy choir robe set and some festive holiday decor that you can get in game. You obtain these with a fun little minigame at the amphitheater in Gridania.

Mogstation went too far the moment it was added, but this is particularly tone deaf. "Merry Christmas! Give us money!"

I wish there was a special currency shop in-game that hadn't had updates in a while and could benefit from new additions. Possibly giving use to those multiple useless achievement tokens everyone has. Would be a nice place to invest some new emotes.

I've already seen both emotes ingame. They're nothing special.

And yet, limsa is full of people afking using the emotes, so clearly they haven't gone too far or no one would be buying them.

I have a lot more issues with story boost and level boost items, as the mere existence of these items can influence the design of the game.

I mean, the shop in this game is nothing compared to the shops of about every other game - even with subscription. Granted, "give them an inch, they take a mile".

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I mean, the shop in this game is nothing compared to the shops of about every other game - even with subscription. Granted, "give them an inch, they take a mile".

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I'd argue that it's worse than some f2p games if you look at all of the items currently available. WoW's not doing so hot right now, but their cash shop has much less in it. So...when FF XIV's only competition in the sub MMO market can mostly manage with next to nothing on the cash shop for years prior to FF XIV's existence...something's wrong. Very wrong.

I suppose it is marginally better than a fake discounted santa suit marked down from $30 to $20 when it was never sold at $30. Or $12 Jpegs stickers. I'm not likely to buy much on the mogstation anyway.

Honestly, they do need to cut it out with adding so many new things to mogstation that could easily be added in-game.

And the whole "certain limited item discount" options are really getting on my nerves, personally... :/

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

I'd argue that it's worse than some f2p games if you look at all of the items currently available. WoW's not doing so hot right now, but their cash shop has much less in it. So...when FF XIV's only competition in the sub MMO market can mostly manage with next to nothing on the cash shop for years prior to FF XIV's existence...something's wrong. Very wrong.

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Don't get me wrong the pricing is absolutely ridiculous, but they can get away with it, because people keep buying the stuff. People don't buy stuff they'll mark it down.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Don't get me wrong the pricing is absolutely ridiculous, but they can get away with it, because people keep buying the stuff.

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Also to add onto this it was either pay money or not get these 2 emotes since they're from the Korean servers. Either way I think the emotes are trash and are a waste of space but w/e to each their own and when it comes to this people keep asking for the Korean/Chinese region items you're going to have to pay for them on the mogstation since it costs SE fees to license it.

Don't blame SE, blame the people silly enough to throw money at them for this stuff.
I'd love a two seater mount, but there's no way I'm paying 30 bucks for one.

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Originally Posted by Taebok

Don't blame SE, blame the people silly enough to throw money at them for this stuff.

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There's nothing silly about it. If people want to spend their money on luxury products, then they can spend their money on luxury products.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

There's nothing silly about it. If people want to spend their money on luxury products, then they can spend their money on luxury products.

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Pretty much this.

While I hate the fact that I play a game with a sub that also has aggressive cash shop promotions, being "unique" is a very common trope among AAA game today. So it's not uncommon to see developer take advantage of this need by promoting said "unique" items behind real monetary value. People will always want to feel special and different in anything they do so its only smart business to charge those who want a little more. Unfortunately the minority who do buy from the mogstation basically dictate the price which is why you continuously see the prices go up. I remember when emotes used to cost $5 but that was a few years ago.

I voted with my wallet and only pay for the sub, sadly $20 CAD a month now, which is starting to get expensive.

It wouldn't be so bad if all of the mounts, minions, emotes, glamour, etc. were account wide. But having the majority limited to a single char is pretty ridiculous, esp at the prices they are asking.

The Mogstation pays for our DC upgrades and more, since its glamour, I don't mind.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

WoW's not doing so hot right now, but their cash shop has much less in it. So...when FF XIV's only competition in the sub MMO market can mostly manage with next to nothing on the cash shop for years prior to FF XIV's existence...something's wrong. Very wrong.

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Less in it...with a bad habit of putting some of their most polished and unique mounts in the cash shop instead of in the game, and charging more for their similar or worse account services - our race/appearance change is a single $10, they have two separate ones - one that lets you change gender that is $15, and the full race/gender change is $25...also their server transfers are $25 per character, versus our $18 for all characters on a server (and ongoing free if transferring to a new world or from a congested world to a preferred, which is not something they offer either). I can transfer 8 characters for $18. The same amount of characters transferred in WoW would run me $200.

I'm not sure comparing just the number of items sold really gives a clear comparison of the two stores.

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Originally Posted by Hyperia

The Mogstation pays for our DC upgrades and more, since its glamour, I don't mind.

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The DC upgrades we’re not getting, instead replaced with a cluster split that saves on SE’s costs at the expense of players no longer being able to play with some of their friends? Please.

It’s a cash cow that’s not being reinvested back into the game at nearly an acceptable rate.

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Originally Posted by Adrestia

The DC upgrades we’re not getting, instead replaced with a cluster split that saves on SE’s costs at the expense of players no longer being able to play with some of their friends? Please.

It’s a cash cow that’s not being reinvested back into the game at nearly an acceptable rate.

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The EU DC and the new NA DC were all paid for by Mogstation funds according to Yoshi.

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Originally Posted by Hyperia

The EU DC and the new NA DC were all paid for by Mogstation funds according to Yoshi.

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The “new NA DC” is an amalgamation of currently existing servers with a new set of shared resources like login and instance servers. A woefully incorrect solution to load balancing (“split the players up and hope they stay roughly at the distribution we want them to”) with the entirely unacceptable cost of severing social ties in an online game.

If they want to address the situation properly, they need to invest in enterprise load balancing appliances, long term investment in proper rearchitecture, and short term throwing money at the problem with cloud compute (made necessary by the fact that they sat on their hands and aimed to sell us this half-baked solution).

FFXIV is not an exceptional product with problems no service provider has ever encountered before. We solve load (yes, and DoS) problems like this every single day, on orders of magnitude greater scale than the traffic that XIV receives. And yes, regularly with horrendously outdated spaghetti code and database design that belongs in a 1970s manual on how not to use SQL. Again, this game’s problems are not unique. The difference is clients who pay for our “serious business” services would have our heads if we tried to pull what SE is doing, while they have adoring fans to use as a free PR firm.

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Originally Posted by Stanelis

I have a lot more issues with story boost and level boost items, as the mere existence of these items can influence the design of the game.

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I agree.
They should've never made those possible, or make it that we can use them if we already have 1 character of the same level as the boost on the account.
Cuz now we have a bunch of people boosting themselves and then not even knowing how to play their class or role or the game in general.


I'm also still extremely pissed about the fact that Aymeric's hair is unisex while his outfit isn't so people playing female characters are wasting their money on something they can't wear just for the hair. Like what the heck.


Don't really have problems with other items but always wished they we cheaper.

I think it is best not to forget that when it really comes down to it, Square Enix is a business. A business that looks to make money. I am fine with the fluff items on mog station. I am more annoyed by the level/story boosts for money. That actually effects game play..

The emotes came from the China or Korea FFXIV team. They were released in September of this year to them. Players over there paid irl money over there for them, so we will as well. Same with all the mounts and outfits they bring from over there. If I remember correctly, they weren't planning on bringing those items over to us but people complained. So now they're here and we'll keep getting them.

(edit)And the prices on the emotes, outfits, and mounts from China/Korea have remained consistent since their release. We may not agree with their prices, but they have haven't changed.

They also showed them off at fan fest during between two ferns where they showed off /2legit as one of the alternative commands.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

There's nothing silly about it. If people want to spend their money on luxury products, then they can spend their money on luxury products.

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I don't recall saying they couldn't.
But paying a sub to play a game is one thing.
Paying hundreds of dollars for mounts, clothing, emotes ... you can call it what you want, but it's still silly.

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Originally Posted by Adrestia

The “new NA DC” is an amalgamation of currently existing servers with a new set of shared resources like login and instance servers. A woefully incorrect solution to load balancing (“split the players up and hope they stay roughly at the distribution we want them to”) with the entirely unacceptable cost of severing social ties in an online game.

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I believe the previous poster was referencing the new data center in California, replacing the one in Montreal, because the ISP there was unable to meet service level agreements.

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Originally Posted by Catwho

I believe the previous poster was referencing the new data center in California, replacing the one in Montreal, because the ISP there was unable to meet service level agreements.

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Perhaps, and if so that’s a somewhat different story since they did give the Montreal DC a fair shake before saying nope, not acceptable to continue this way. Still not exactly what most would call a success story since the California DC has its own fair share of problems and a lot of people would have preferred a better solution at that time as well. But I’m still going to give SE some credit for the work there because switching colos like that as quickly as they did is no joke and the whole thing was an honest, extensive effort to fix some serious problems.

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Originally Posted by Taebok

I don't recall saying they couldn't.
But paying a sub to play a game is one thing.
Paying hundreds of dollars for mounts, clothing, emotes ... you can call it what you want, but it's still silly.

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I feel like folks who pay $50-100 a week for cigarettes are silly, too, but it's their choice. Some folks pay $30 a night for delivery food. Some people pay $20 a month on mog station items. And what all of these items have in common is that they're optional and people pay for them because they enjoy them.

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Originally Posted by InkstainedGwyn

I feel like folks who pay $50-100 a week for cigarettes are silly, too, but it's their choice. Some folks pay $30 a night for delivery food. Some people pay $20 a month on mog station items. And what all of these items have in common is that they're optional and people pay for them because they enjoy them.

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1. That's a horrible analogy.
2. What part of my previous post where I clearly stated that people can do what they want did you not understand?

If people want to see SE turn into Electronic Arts, great.
Have fun.
But most of us won't be sticking around.

Well you have all the mog station suporters to thank for this. Be shure to see more in 5.0

Ah, wonderful. Another thread where people want to argue against a company looking to make money. All these threads devolve into delivering personal attacks to one another about how others should spend their money.

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Originally Posted by Taebok

If people want to see SE turn into Electronic Arts, great.
Have fun.
But most of us won't be sticking around.

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Bold claim, I'm very sure you speak for the majority and not just yourself.

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Originally Posted by Taebok

But most of us won't be sticking around.

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Okay, bye.

Obviously most of the player here never experience the proxy company server of Japanese/Korea game in Hong Kong and Taiwan. They are worse than EA, worst of all kind.
Experience boost items, glamours, pets, mount, materials necessary for end game gears all locked behind the paywall, and many of them are loot box with ugly percentage, which easily obtain in Japan/Korea servers. Not only that, they increased the experience needed for leveling in folds, crappy servers etc etc. (Sorry a little off-topic)

Things in Mogstation are all luxury and unnecessary for enjoying the game, I would rather complain about the the lack of glamours than the price on items. (NPC has way better looking glamours than players, SE, why are you doing this?) ES is not greedy, not yet, I would wait until they input loot box for before calling them greedy. Also the price for the emote could be set by the Asian companies.

I haven’t looked, but unless these emotes cost at least $15 each, I don’t see where SE are doing anything out of the ordinary by putting a couple extra items up alongside an update from last year’s Christmas event.

I’m as much a critic of the mogstation as the next person, but I think SE could go a lot more ‘overboard’ than moving a couple emotes from one version of the game to another. I likely won’t buy them unless they go on sale anyway because I generally don’t agree with the prices that have been previously set for emotes, but I would argue that we’re continuing to let them get away with charging those prices by buying the emotes at full price, rather than that the mogstation has suddenly gotten out of hand by doing something that it’s done before.

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Originally Posted by KadaRemnant

I thought that for xmas they would have gift us something nice to thank us and wish us a happy holidays but i'm really disappointed.

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Thank us for what exactly? The emotes were originally created for the Korean/Chinese markets, and they just like us have to pay extra to obtain them, so why should we be any different to them?

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Originally Posted by Marxam

Unfortunately the minority who do buy from the mogstation basically dictate the price which is why you continuously see the prices go up.

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I'm sure that's just called inflation and happens with most businesses out there. It's easier to increase MogStation prices rather than subscriptions, as the latter would attract much more discontent from the customers (Brazil/Russia price rise being a small example).

The choir attire and all the decorations from the Starlight event are their gift. The emotes are just an added bonus from the Korean side. They aren't a necessity and are not going anywhere. If you really want them, they're there for the price of a fast food meal.

Even if they did give them to us for free, there would just be another different set of items in its place, followed by the exact same complaint you're giving so I honestly don't know how they'll please you.

Christmas is about giving, after all.

Giving all your money to SE.

You people dont know what a real cash shop is if you are complaining about the mogstation.