After standing in front of three different Placards and spamming them for hours, all day for a few days straight, I've had time to think of a better way for players to get a plot.
I'm only suggesting that instead of players spamming the sign, they could simply apply to a lottery. Keep the RNG timer, that's fine but why not have an RNG to decide who gets the plot? Every other thing can stay the same, (relocation rules, timer, whatever).
We pay a lot of money to be able to spend time on this game. I want to spend mine playing it instead of frying my brain in front of a sign.
This was just a thought so feel free to add your thoughts of why it could or couldn't work or suggest improvements to make it viable.
Housing Lottery Idea
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12-20-2018, 04:02 PMIttapupu_BerryHousing Lottery Idea
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12-20-2018, 04:25 PMLosara
Think a similar thread was brought up in the past. Ended up with a heated debate from both sides about the idea.
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...or-house-plots
Some people dislike the idea of 100% RNG being a factor in getting a house. It would be even harsher if you were aiming for a specific plot and 300-400 people also hypothetically signed up to be the in the lottery for that location. Can agree that it can be hard to get your foot in the door but currently the best way to do so is to buy any random house then relocate at a later stage to the house that you like that has a plot opened up.
I prefer the idea of instanced housing myself where you are able to see the plot location with a generic housing skin over each of the other locations to reduce server load however you are able to see your own house/garden. This could open up housing to everyone and also create common social areas if implemented correctly. -
12-20-2018, 04:38 PMPenthea
The lottery would probably render plots having more competition than usual. A lot of people are unable to or cannot be bothered to placard spam but they would take part in a zero effort lottery system. I imagine that on highly populated servers the amount of lottery entries could be massive.
It would grant an advantage to people who own multiple accounts because they could enter the lottery more than once. House flippers (yes they're still around, it's just harder to sell now) and gil sellers are sometimes the same people, and they could enter the lottery on several accounts too. Groups of people who want to share a house would also have an advantage. If you could enter lotteries on multiple servers, then that's another way to get an advantage.
While I dislike placard spam, I'm not fond of this idea. I don't like the idea of fixing bad rng with potentially even worse rng. Increasing the amount of available plots would be a better solution for everyone. Well actually scrapping wards and replacing it with instanced housing would be a better solution but that's not going to happen. -
12-20-2018, 04:50 PMMsQi
Personally I don't care about having a plot but I want a bigger place. I think housing should be instanced by default and anyone who can pay the set price can have a permanent house. Plots should be an extra for those that care about being in a neighborhood. People who want them can compete for them. If you get one your house appears on the plot (assuming you got the size of plot that fits your house). If you lose the plot it goes back to being instanced.
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12-20-2018, 04:52 PMBeckett
Honestly the way this thread is presented makes it sound much more appealing than the other thread. It's basically down to RNG who gets the plot anyway, so why not go full RNG with it and make it so players don't have to waste their time?
The downside is that, at the moment the only people camping the placards are a small group of dedicate players(/bots). When you open it up to a click-and-forget system, you're going to get a lot more competition. So while you may be envisioning a 1/3 chance of getting that plot, because there were only two other players hanging out next to the placard, it might actually wind up being something more like a 1/50 chance.
We also don't know how difficult it would be to program. While we might think it's a simple fix, it might actually be something that would be far too time consuming for them to bother with. -
12-20-2018, 06:01 PMSeraphor
The lottery could work as a last resort deal.
As the cost of the plot decreases over time, you can choose to purchase that plot at any time you like providing you're willing to fork out the gil for it, but if after it gets to its lowest point and theres still no buyer, then it goes to the lottery winner. -
12-20-2018, 09:23 PMGeigerette
What is placard spam?
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12-20-2018, 09:50 PMJandor
Radical idea. Scrap personal housing, radically overhaul apartments, move apartment blocks to the cities and other places.
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12-20-2018, 10:03 PMSakuraluna
I’m still not a fan of it because I’d rather be able to be sure that I’m getting what I want, not that I miiiiiight have a chance at it against five or ten other people, because that rarely works out in my favor. Housing would still be a pain for new players to get into. Nothing solved.
The way you skip placard spamming is very simple: Just check your pride, and buy a house in the Goblet. Can even be a small. From there, wait until one you want opens up elsewhere and relocate to it. That way, you’re not wasting your time standing around spamming the sign until a relocater wanders up and takes it from under your nose. Only time-intensive in how long it takes your favored plot to open up, and you still play the game in the meantime. -
12-21-2018, 01:00 AMShougunQuote:
Originally Posted by Jandor
I've wanted to see uldah from up high for a while now, would be very cool to be able to own a place in the upper areas. Not important to me that they scrap personal housing per say but I'd love for the radical overhaul to apartments :). Imo the name too, dunno about others but the name is in the way of feeling ownership because you can't own what you rent, minor gripe for a system with larger issues I know but yeah lol. -
12-21-2018, 04:00 AMKrojack
What's stupid is the housing setup DOES NOT FAVOR NEW OWNERS. The fact that current house owners can move their house to an open plot and have priority over some new person wanting their very first house it pathetic needless to say.
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12-21-2018, 04:27 AMIttapupu_Berry
Still have to spam in the Goblet :( On the Levi server, it's very populated so getting a Goblet house takes just as much spam as a Kugane house.
Nothing might be solved, but at least a person wouldn't have to go thru 22 hours of clicking a sign -
12-21-2018, 05:29 AMPentheaYea instead you would have to go through potentially several months or more of entering a lottery and losing. If entering is as easy as you say, then it would mean more people would enter than you have clicking on a placard. The placard spam takes time, effort and patience. Entering a lottery is near zero effort. It will attract more competition for plots.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ittapupu_Berry
Lottery isn't a fix. It's just replacing a problem with a different problem. -
12-21-2018, 05:37 AMBourne_EndeavorHouses now have a randomized timer on when a previously demolished plot can be purchased again. You have to continuously click on the placard to see if it's available since they don't put any indication on when it'll release. This was done to mitigate house flipping as before you literally just demo'd your house and someone could immediately buy it—usually for several times the original price.Quote:
Originally Posted by Geigerette
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12-21-2018, 05:54 AMBeckettWhat's the problem with this system? In the long run, it ensures that you have a better chance of getting the plot you want.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krojack
Right now you have to struggle with the RNG timers once. As long as you manage to grab literally any plot in the game, you never have to worry about RNG timers again, and can move into your dream plot if it becomes available. Can you imagine how mad you would be if you managed to snag a small plot in Goblet, then your dream Medium plot opened up in Shirogane and you had to deal with the RNG bullshit all over again?
Virtually no one who currently owns a plot is going to bother Relocating to a Small plot, so you're only ever going to be competing against other non-home owners for any Smalls that open up. I'll say it again: You are not competing with current homeowners to get Small plots. Once you do manage to get a Small plot, you're done with RNG timers forever.
The only major downside to the current system is that you essentially have to buy a house twice, however most players are more than willing to pay this price to get their preferred plots. -
12-21-2018, 06:00 AMPentheaThat isn't true. There are a lot of small plots in the game that are very highly sought. Especially those at the beach in Mist and Shirogane. I know several people who relocated their cottage to other cottage plots because they preferred the location due to reasons like scenery, being in the same subdivision as a friend/fc or closer proximity to the mb.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beckett
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12-21-2018, 06:44 AMBeckettFair point. At least another small plot opens up, but I could definitely see it being frustrating if you've been camping a small plot for days only to have someone swoop in and Relocate to it. I still think it's a better system than having everyone always have to deal with RNG timers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Penthea
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12-21-2018, 07:25 AMDeaconMoore
No lotteries please.
Dynamically added wards instead. Ward fills up, new empty ward becomes available for purchase.
We shouldn't have to compete to get a house... -
12-21-2018, 07:45 AMVahlnir
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12-21-2018, 08:11 AMIttapupu_Berry
Wanna give some constructive criticism? xD
Maybe say your reason for your opinion? I'm genuinely interested in what people have to think about the idea :) -
12-21-2018, 08:42 AMHamada
Lets not make the housing system worse, SE should be fixing it, not taking suggestions to make it worse (cheaper instanced, pricey open world) Everyone should at least get an instanced house. This ward system simply does not work.
Some of this was touched on. Because of the ease of entry that comes with a lotto, you have way more people entering it then spaming a placard. It takes less effort, this means you got an even less of a chance of getting a house. Basically ideas like this is only making the situation worse. We need a real fix, like instanced housing, this open world system SE made does not work. MS2 for example has a nice open world/instance system hybrid, take a look there if you wanna see a working housing system.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ittapupu_Berry
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12-21-2018, 09:08 AMVahlnirExactly. Why anyone thinks a lotto of any kind regarding housing is a good idea is beyond me. It doesn't do anything but make an already bad system worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hamada
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12-21-2018, 09:08 AMShougun^ Yoshi Plz.. lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hamada
There is something wrong when a system that makes it easier to sign up for a house is a con. That being it's too easy to sign up and there are not enough houses. People want it harder to get in line just because of the house issue @_@
Which I totally understand why people have that sentiment. I just mean that there is clearly something wrong at the core of housing if that's people's concern. Sweet lord Yoshi instance this stuff already XD. -
12-21-2018, 10:01 AMPentheaDunno about other people but I don't want it to be harder to get in line. I want there to be no lines. We should all have equal access to housing. Wishful thinking I know, considering how SE have handled housing so far. Even if SE won't give us proper instanced housing there are better ways to mitigate the placard rng without replacing one form of lottery with another.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shougun
More wards, different ward designs that allow any size house to be built on a plot, apartment expansion for more space and proper gardening (why don't we have balconies? ><), allowing fcs to use apartments, adding more tenant slots to private homes, adding tenant slots to apartments...all of these and more would reduce the problems of placard spam. Increasing accessibility to housing is how to combat it. Not by replacing one form of rng with another. -
12-21-2018, 10:36 AMJojoyaThen you get people complaining that the plot they want still isn't available even if others are and so SE should just make more wards so they can get their preferred plot. If SE does that, then existing wards end up half empty as everyone goes to a ward that has their desired plot.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeaconMoore
I'll stick with what I proposed a while back - go with a dual system where there's instanced housing that guarantees every FC and character who meets the level/rank requirements one house and the ward system for those who consider housing their end game and are willing to compete for the "luxury" plots.
Instanced housing wouldn't be subject to auto-demo and would cost less to purchase compare to ward plots of comparable size.
Retain limits on per account ward plots along with auto-demolition on the ward housing to ensure new players have an opportunity to get into the housing end game if they want (most probably would care less as long as they had their guaranteed instanced house). Make relocation subject to the same timer that new buyers have to deal with to end the flipping. -
12-21-2018, 05:44 PMJandorYeah, I'd love it if a third "area" was added to city states. 'Apartment complex' or something, clicking it brings up a wards list, inside the area has a plaza with a MB and maybe a pool, the entrance to peoples apartments, maybe an entrance to an instanced gardening area.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shougun
And once you're in your apartment, it starts small with a tiny balcony with a view of the city state, can upgrade to much bigger area and much bigger balcony, and a final large upgrade to a multi-story giant penthouse suite with a large outdoor balcony area.
Plus they're easier to add, Ishgard housing proving a pain? Add an apartment complex to Ishgard itself. Some weird folk wanting to live in Mor Dhona? Add an apartment complex to the edge of the mini-town. etc.
Excuse the crappy paint job, something like this. The pool goes under the bridges, some seats around the edges. Should hopefully give apartment owners something a bit social too, an area to hang out in, a bit like a mini housing ward.
Maybe just retainer bells? MB's might empty out the cities.
Either way, I'd just like apartments to be better, ideally so much better that personal house ownership isn't really a big thing.
https://i.imgur.com/ufkJBnE.jpg
I just want to live in a giant windmill type building in the Ul'dah city centre :( -
12-21-2018, 06:05 PMKageTokage
I feel like anyone who wants a large house should be able to get one if they want it.
It annoys the heck out of me to see people hording them with their alt accounts and just leaving them barren. -
12-21-2018, 06:11 PMJandorYeah there is one in my ward in the Goblet like that, the large near the apartments, overlooking the pool.Quote:
Originally Posted by KageTokage
2 man FC holds it, neither member over level 60. Just... why? What's the point. -
12-23-2018, 06:20 AMShougunIf anyone translates my discontent they probably feel like I've become some sort of necromancer just to beat a horse even more XD but yes.. This is the single factor of the game that brings me down the most (easily, over any other issue).Quote:
Originally Posted by Penthea
I mean let me say it another way..
- If they add more wards it will most likely not be enough to fit all players that could possible have means to have one even when filling up all slots and player settling, especially in the future (pretty much guaranteed on large servers).
- If they add more wards they WILL NOT be able to offer enough large houses for any demand, FC or player. They'd need to add 500 wards at that point, at least.
- If they add more wards they will most likely not be able to produce enough mediums for any demand.
- If they add more wards they will make many undesirable houses for people who wanted something in a different district or size, like Goblet seems to be the "if I have to..". You should really question your the system if people are "settling" for content.
- If they add a new housing area there will NOT be enough for the new demand - leaving many disapointed, clearly see Shirogane as a live example. This means people excited for new content, many, will not get to be part of that even though they want to be.
- Because not everyone, FC or player, can experience this content they are limited in some aspects on what content they can put into the area. Imagine if everyone was given a small free room that they could upgrade (to sizes like large, with garden areas) - they could make many more systems that people could take part on. Especially important for FC, where it's pretty silly to join a house-less FC (except under very tight friend/family, or RP situations).
- Because it's not instanced you have to share burden on limitations on the outdoor objects, both appearances and quantity. Imagine if you had a large area (even if the same number of items to place), you could have towers, barns, and other large structures that are impossible with the current system because they can't make zones massive to fit all houses (at least they haven't).
- Because it's not instanced you will also have stronger limits on location, take for example the Azim Steppe floating platform. If the system was in your own area you could change the backdrop to that area once you've unlocked. Next you could switch it to a floating island, then to an area deep in the Gridania Forests. (Backdrop/skybox control = massive theme control).
- Because it's not instanced you also cannot have unlocked rotation/scaling/position because it would destroy other people's experience. But if it was your own area you could make incredible statues that were otherwise insanely impractical or impossible (not just statues, of course).
I also believe SE might be able to recoup some development costs, or more, if they let players buy extra instances. For example every account gets one instance* they unlock through the main story quest, once unlocked on one character it's so for the whole account. *Per data center, unless they can make it cross that too. Acting as massive upgrade-able hub for your characters, well massive when you put in the effort (for example in Wild Star you had upwards of 1000 items to store, 1000 items to place inside house and 1000 outside). Now some people may want to build multiple areas, I think they could let players buy an extra instance for a monthly fee - on RP servers you might see some accounts with many such that they can run their own mini-city, inn, battle area, and what have you. On top of that of course there are more people buying mogshop housing items since /everyone/ would have a place.
Also they can leave the current housing system in place, for those who like the neighborhood system because that'd be the real con of an instanced system but give players who own a house the ability to move into the instance with all their furnishings and house size unlocked (saving them time upgrading it through the instanced system). Imo instanced and for everyone >>> some people get a limited neighbor system (although if both could exist at once, win win for everyone).
Cute drawing :D, have a like. I've wanted to see those main areas be used as well (the main far off areas in the housing areas). Definitely would be cool to let players purchase an apartment (FFXI mog room, free/easy to start) and upgrade it to have more rooms, storage, features, and location options. Some beast tribe quests could have really expensive (via token) special apartment areas as well, could be a neat encouragement to revisit an area. Get a house apartment thing in a small sylph village for example.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jandor
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12-23-2018, 06:42 AMBeckett
I'm sure it's impossible, but it would be great if cross-world housing wards could be a thing. I always feel a bit bad when more wards are asked for, and I see the hundreds of open plots on my server. I'm sure that players on populous severs would love to buy those open plots, if they could avoid doing a server transfer.
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12-23-2018, 01:48 PMNihility
The previous lottery thread i saw was a lottery to get a house in new zones which is what people hated.
being able to see a demo zone and put down your payment for a chance at getting it(or your money back) when it pops up seems totally fine to me.
only complication i see is i think relocation bypasses the demo mechanic which technically isn't any different than now but might feel like kind of a jerk move though i suppose with random demo times if everyone just got their money mailed back no one would even know...