Macro-ing with Razer Naga

Guys, I just bought a Razer Naga mouse. Since this is my first gaming mouse, I just play around with the macro recording stuffs. And I am suprised that I can now click only 1 button to move automatically from Uldah to Camp Drybone. All the camera rotation, walking and everything was recorded in the macro. Is this illegal?

I would appreciate if you can quote something from the term of service or user agreement. I simply skipped that part (most of us do I think hehe)

Thank you!

[SARCASM]Only if you stop to craft along the way.[/SARCASM]

uh? move automatically? how do we achieve that using macro?

All Razer mice came with a software known as Razer Synapse. So, this software enables you to configure your mouse setting and record a macro. I am unsure whether this is legal or not.

Honestly, this is one thing from the mountain of WoW clones that I wish was in this game. Ability to just auto-pathfind to a camp. Running to the camp the first time was fun, running there 6-7 times a day is just annoying.

if i remember corretly, WoW don't have auto-pathfind (not counting griffons)
In every case, configuring your mouse to use in-game macros it's legit, configuring to auto-craft or similar it's threated like third party tools, and bannable.
Sure, they can't prove it until a gm tell you while you're crafting AFK, but tecnically it's botting

Anything that plays the game for you would be illegal.

I'd be happy if I could use the back button on my mouse to auto run instead of holding a direction and pressing R.

Maybe I'm being dense but I've been unable to map any controls to my mouse buttons, obviously OP is using macro software which presumably is mimicking keyboard input but I was wandering if anyone has anything mapped to their mouse buttons (bar clicking on stuff - preempting first sarcastic responses).

FINAL FANTASY® XIV User Agreement

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2.1 Cheating and Botting. You may not create or use any cheats, bots, automation software, hacks, mods or any other unauthorized software designed to modify the Game and gameplay. In addition, you may not take advantage of game system bugs and exploits during gameplay.

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On Prohibited Activities in Final Fantasy XIV you can read the following:

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Activities that destroy game balance
Using third party programs or tools in FINAL FANTASY XIV is strictly prohibited since they allow users to gain an unfair advantage over other players. The use of programs or tools within FINAL FANTASY XIV that allow certain continuous actions to be performed automatically are often referred to as absentee play, which is also prohibited in FINAL FANTASY XIV.

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Hmmm... I really don't know what to think about this matter :S

This game need a taxi service with chocobos.

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Originally Posted by Dibria

I'd be happy if I could use the back button on my mouse to auto run instead of holding a direction and pressing R.

Maybe I'm being dense but I've been unable to map any controls to my mouse buttons, obviously OP is using macro software which presumably is mimicking keyboard input but I was wandering if anyone has anything mapped to their mouse buttons (bar clicking on stuff - preempting first sarcastic responses).

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Are you aware you can initiate auto run by clicking the middle mouse button and dragging forward?

so no dev has closed this and banned the guy yet...

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Originally Posted by anas86

Guys, I just bought a Razer Naga mouse. Since this is my first gaming mouse, I just play around with the macro recording stuffs. And I am suprised that I can now click only 1 button to move automatically from Uldah to Camp Drybone. All the camera rotation, walking and everything was recorded in the macro. Is this illegal?

I would appreciate if you can quote something from the term of service or user agreement. I simply skipped that part (most of us do I think hehe)

Thank you!

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Hi Anas86,

The macro feature of that mouse or the software that came with it is not allowed by SE, even with attended gameplay, can be considered "absent play". If you continue to use it, you will do be doing so at your own risk.

(The mouse itself is not prohibited, but taking advantage of those features are).

Found an explanation regarding this topic with a French-English translation provided by Matsume (Thank you Matsume!)

See thread:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ler#post543973

Original CM post in French:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/threads/36383-Il-faut-faire-quelque-chose-pour-les-logiciels-bot-en-libre-circulation-!?p=543800#post543800

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Originally Posted by Fiosha_Maureiba

Hi Anas86,

The macro feature of that mouse or the software that came with it is not allowed by SE, even with attended gameplay, can be considered "absent play". If you continue to use it, you will do be doing so at your own risk.

(The mouse itself is not prohibited, but taking advantage of those features are).

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GM in training?

OP, enjoy your mouse. Don't let these moralfa--uhhh, super jelly two button mouse players scare you.

Naga 4 lyfe!

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Originally Posted by Treach

GM in training?

OP, enjoy your mouse. Don't let these moralfa--uhhh, super jelly two button mouse players scare you.

Naga 4 lyfe!

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I don't see how her telling someone that the macro may get them banned is being a "moralfag" or wannabe GM. I perceived it as advice: That he should stop using it in case SE interprets it as a bot and bans him.

Please note the subtle difference: She was saying he MIGHT get banned. She was NOT saying that he SHOULD be banned.

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Originally Posted by Treach

GM in training?

OP, enjoy your mouse. Don't let these moralfa--uhhh, super jelly two button mouse players scare you.

Naga 4 lyfe!

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Hi Treach,

I apologize if that was misinterpreted as a threat or with a condescending tone.

It was meant more as a "please be safe, would like to advise on the side of caution" since we have a SE representative clarifying the subject more.

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Originally Posted by Holy_Dragoon

Are you aware you can initiate auto run by clicking the middle mouse button and dragging forward?

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No but I am now, didn't even think to use the middle button - evidently I was being dense.

Cheers.

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Originally Posted by Dibria

Maybe I'm being dense but I've been unable to map any controls to my mouse buttons, obviously OP is using macro software which presumably is mimicking keyboard input but I was wandering if anyone has anything mapped to their mouse buttons (bar clicking on stuff - preempting first sarcastic responses).

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I'd love to be able to switch bar pages with the buttons on the side of my mouse, but unfortunately SE hasn't given us the ability to do so yet.

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Originally Posted by Holy_Dragoon

Are you aware you can initiate auto run by clicking the middle mouse button and dragging forward?

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You can also drag it other directions to start running that way.

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Originally Posted by Impulse

I'd love to be able to switch bar pages with the buttons on the side of my mouse, but unfortunately SE hasn't given us the ability to do so yet.

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I find it an increasing irritation when companies don't allow you to map things to the mouse, the majority of aftermarket mice and ALL decent quality ones are now 5 button or more so why deny people the ability to use those functions. If I can map 'switch to lightsaber' to my mouse buttons in 'Jedi Knight 2 Jedi Outcast' then why the hell can't I do it in a game that came out over 10 years later? Hell when jedi outcast came out 3 button mice were something of a novelty.

dev post recently specifically mentioned gaming mice and keyboards that include macro capabilities is not allowed, but there is no way for them to know you use them unless you say you do.

It's really no different then using windower for ffxi back in the old days, near infinite and lag free macros with no size restrictions.

Going to let us make addons in the future that will probably give us huge advantages if similar to WoW, but no turbo button for you!

Hmm.. Thanks for the input guys. I think this thread can benefit many people. As I said, this is the very first gaming mouse that I bought and I am just curious with the functions it offers.

Hello,

It is possible that mapping keys to your mouse is okey? I.e. mapping 1-0 on keyboard to 1-10 on mouse.

Then instead of moving hand from mouse to keyboard to press 7, you simply click '7' on the mouse.

I'm not sure THIS would be considered against the rules. However, if you mapped multi-step functions to a mouse button, i.e.:
Pressing '7' on mouse is same as pressing '3' then '5' then '7' then '4' then '8' on keyboard then this might not be allowed.

However! If you had an in in-game macro, say: CTRL-1 that did the equivalent of:
3
5
7
4
8

And you mapped keyboard '1' to mouse '1' and then pressed CTRL on keyboard with 1 on mouse, then I think THIS would be okey ^.^;;;

Or to sum up, I BELIEVE it is okey if there is a 1-to-1 relationship between pressing the key on mouse versus pressing the key on keyboard. It is when pressing the key on mouse results in a set of operations that would require more than one key press on keyboard that it becomes a problem.

Personally, I still use a two-button laptop mouse as I find it enough for my needs. But maybe one day I try out something more fancy and like it ^.^;

using a razor keyboard and or mouse is not considered botting or cheating. i use my razor keyboard to macro all my commands for my job classes because the ingame macro system sucks balls.

but if you want peace of mind do what i did. submit a petition / ticket to Sqex and ask them. and they will basically say the same thing

Going to copy and paste SQEX's response with Matsume's translation in here. For reference.

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Originally Posted by Youmukon

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L'utilisation de claviers possédant des fonctionnalités avancées n'est pas prohibée en soit. En revanche, l'utilisation de ces fonctionnalités afin d'automatiser certaines actions sur Final Fantasy XIV l'est. Être présent devant son ordinateur ne rend pas l'automatisation des actions acceptable. Ainsi, les joueurs ayant recours à un logiciel tiers, une fonction "turbo" d'un contrôleur de jeu, des touches de claviers programmables ou une méthode plus artisanale (telle que coincer une touche) prennent le risque de voir leur compte de service Final Fantasy XIV suspendu ou fermé.

The use of special keyboards containing advanced functions is not prohibited. On the other hand, the use of any of these functions in order to automate certain actions in Final Fantasy XIV is prohibited. To be present in front of one's computer does not make the use of these automated action programs acceptable. So, any player who uses third party programs, a "turbo" controller, programmable keyboard keys or any other method (such as taping down the enter key) is taking the risk of seeing their Final Fantasy XIV account suspended or closed.

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Where any other method includes programmable mouse keys, speech recognition macros, Xkeys USB devices, etc.

There's a risk. SE may not have the detection tools now, but you don't want to be caught in a sweep and lumped together with those that were abusing their keyboards/mice/software.

edit: Or third party apps like PinnacleGameProfiler, that could remap our gamepad to do things that the configure does not let us do (emulating a keyboard press). We use at our own risk.

Hello,

There can still be a fine line drawn between the use of a button on a mouse to execute 'automated action' versus the use of the mouse button to equal the press of a single key on the keyboard.

I know it is a lot to have them spell out in great detail what is and what is not permitted. I also know it would be sad to those who need to map the keys from keyboard to mouse not be able to because they are uncertain if it is allowed or not.

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Originally Posted by Asiaine

Hello,

There can still be a fine line drawn between the use of a button on a mouse to execute 'automated action' versus the use of the mouse button to equal the press of a single key on the keyboard.

I know it is a lot to have them spell out in great detail what is and what is not permitted. I also know it would be sad to those who need to map the keys from keyboard to mouse not be able to because they are uncertain if it is allowed or not.

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I don't see a line. The only thing prohibited that I can see is the AUTOMATION of actions, such as automatically walking from one camp to another, or botting your crafting. Making your mouse button approximate a key press is not automating an action, it's merely changing the input device.