Diamond ques are currently are almost just extinct. The fact that Diamond has only platinum players to draw from, which is objectively the second least populated tier in the Feast, just makes ques a nightmare to achieve once people hit Diamond rank.
People may have complained that as a Diamond player they did not want to play with Gold players, but why should that matter when the alternative is to have pretty much no games pop?
The game simply just doesn't have enough players playing The Feast to sustain the current matchmaking system where Platinums no longer play with Silvers or Diamonds no longer play with Golds.
It also creates a situation where Diamond ques take a majority of the Platinum players and Gold/Platinum games never happen or vice versa with Golds taking the Platinums. It just doesn't work!
It NEEDS to go back to the way it was prior to the current system with Platinum playing with tiers down to Silver and Diamonds playing with players down in Gold Tier. Otherwise the ques will just suffer and it will just be a cycle of people being scared off from ques because no ques pop, which in turn makes it EVEN WORSE.
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12-08-2018, 12:01 PMAviarsIt's time for Diamonds to play with Golds again and Platinums with Silvers
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12-08-2018, 01:52 PMVejjiegirl
I agree the matchmaking could use a bit of work. However if Diamond were to suddenly get matched with Gold players you may run into a situation where Diamond tier players only get those gold players just finishing their silver to gold qualifiers.
so you would end up with like a team like this:
Gold Healer- 550 Ranking
Diamond DPS- 2050 Ranking
Gold Tank- 1200 Ranking
Platinum Ranged- 1514 Ranking
Because getting from 0->500 Is so forgiving the odds of ending up with a healer that just spammed the que would pretty high. The diamond que would be a lot similar to Season 2 matchmaking in a lot of ways.
I think to solve this problem the Gold Tier would need to be split.
So basically you split gold up into like Gold and Rose Gold ranks
https://puu.sh/CejlG/3fa4558288.png
gold and rose gold are counted as one tier. However, Rose Gold tier players can match with diamond tier players.
For example:
Unranked can que with Unranked, Bronze, and Silver
Bronze can que with Unranked, Bronze and Silver
Silver can que with Bronze, Silver, Gold, and Rose Gold
Gold can que with Silver, Gold, Rose Gold, and Plat
Rose Gold can que with Silver, Gold, Rose Gold, Plat and Diamond
Plat can que with Gold, Rose Gold, Plat, and Diamond
Diamond can que with Rose Gold, Plat, and Diamond
As for the ranking requirement to go from gold to rose gold it should be the same as the lower tiers instead of 500 to advanced it would be 250.
I made an example in the below image:
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12-09-2018, 01:56 AMAkelaFreya
I don't think that'll help at all, it'll make games more cancerous/unfair.
there is no lack of players in plat/diamond rank.
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12-09-2018, 03:11 AMBloodRubyXII
People just wouldn't queue because the matches won't be fun. We have enough Plat players, they just need an incentive to play more once they're safe.
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12-09-2018, 04:06 AMCanadaneThis. It's needed rank decay since the start, but it's never happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by AkelaFreya
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12-09-2018, 07:27 PMswiss_Momo
no. Add rank decay and fix the reward structure first. Besides the same old hellhound weapons you're effectively wasting your time queuing for ranked if you don't make it into the top 100
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12-09-2018, 11:41 PMNova_RoxI agree that rank decay will help the higher ranks get pops, but if you feel like you're wasting your time unless you get top 100 then rank decay won't help with that one bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by swiss_Momo
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12-11-2018, 12:17 AMjameseoakesIsn't this a lot of the problem with the way they have built the feast if your not pushing for top 100 there are no rewards outside the hopefully fun of the match and the weapons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nova_Rox
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12-11-2018, 12:52 AMNova_RoxCorrect! People need the carrot on the stick these days, if there's not a good enough carrot then it doesn't matter how fun it is.Quote:
Originally Posted by jameseoakes
IE: Eureka. Big easy carrot. Not so fun of a grind.
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12-13-2018, 01:50 PMCleanse
Ava's idea is a better short term fix on low pop nights. Rank decay does not do much when there are not enough people playing.
The real goal for SE is to reach out and get new players involved so there are new players Feasting. After that, the community needs to be better at teaching or communicating with new players (or if you are bad at communication, just focus on bettering yourself so the new players can observe). -
12-14-2018, 03:43 PMAviars
I also want to add that the fact that golds don't play with bronze and silvers don't play with unranked makes unranked and bronze dead as can humanly be possible. Literally the whole system we have in place right now kills ques across the board.
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12-15-2018, 08:09 AMBloodRubyXIISilvers do play with unranked. Can confirm as I suffered almost 150 games of it this season. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Aviars
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12-15-2018, 11:55 AMNalienHonestly, while it would negatively impact the balance at unranked to Silver matches, I think SE should just throw people who queue for the training option in the ranked queue as unranked players... No rating gain/loss if you queue training, but you end up in the ranked queue at the lowest level... Still balance the teams, if a Platinum player decides to queue for training and is thus thrown in unranked matches, still balance around the fact they're Platinum, for example, 1 Platinum 3 unranked vs 4 Silvers... Would be nice if training queue had an actual purpose, and you'd potentially boost activity in low tier unranked matches... Veterans might end up teaching people in unranked tier as a result too, and boost retention of new players... Or it might just create an even more toxic environment and drive people away... Who cares at this point, throw sh*t at the wall and see what sticks...Quote:
Originally Posted by Aviars
At the end of the day, I don't think unranked to Silver matches really matter... Nobody in those matches is on the leaderboard and anyone who really wants to climb is going to get to Gold, if not Platinum anyway, at which point the negative impact of putting potentially Diamond players in unranked via training mode is gone. All it would do is give us training mode as an option to queue for finally, and boost activity in unranked matches to help mitigate the "Feast never pops" mentality that goes around mid/late season? I think the positives outweigh the negatives, personally... Unranked, when it's active enough to pop, is already apparently hell, what's throwing one more match on going to do? At least it could be more active and allow people to climb out faster...
Only major aspect that would need to be balanced would probably be the duo queue for training... That'd probably need to be removed, even though I gather people like that... Duo queue and a training queue that never pops, or no duo queue and an active training mode? Hard call... -
12-15-2018, 12:56 PMBloodRubyXIIThere's so much focus on getting new people into Feast. It isn't that, they need to get people into PvP and that starts from Frontlines. I mean most Arena players in WoW didn't get into PvP from starting in Arena (which has no ranked solo queue option and up until recently it didn't even have a training option unless anyone counts war games which doesnt rly work), they'd gotten into it from Battlegrounds. I liked PvPing in BGs, the objectives are fun, but I got tired of curbstomping randoms in BGs and Arenas for me was the next step (and then RBGs when they came out). If the PvP is fun, then even if Feast still isn't super active at least Frontlines will be more enjoyable and popular, which sooner or later has a chance to rub off onto feast.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nalien
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12-15-2018, 08:34 PMNalienThe problem is, if it's not active why queue up for it? They need to at least give unranked tier some regular activity all season long to mitigate the reddit style "nobody does feast" complaint. Doesn't matter if you drum up interest in the game mode if people are met with long queue times due to late season inactivity. People with a passing interest who need to be hooked aren't the ones who'll sit in queue for long, only the veterans are that mad. Potential new players see the 30m+ wait time and assume the worst, then move on. SE needs to do something about that and hopefully increased activity at unranked trickles up to more players at higher ranks.Quote:
Originally Posted by BloodRubyXII
Of course, I say that, but rather than SE doing something to improve that situation, they're planning to make it much worse with the data center split, so whatever I guess... Feast wont be getting much new blood and the small pool of veterans will slowly bleed away, "Nice Job!" -
12-16-2018, 06:19 AMBloodRubyXIIHammer -> NailQuote:
Originally Posted by Nalien
The first season I queued feast was S4, I got 2 queue pops in an entire evening as DRK but that was because queueing for an activity on a game that doesn't pop was a foreign concept to me, you can pop a ranked arena game on WoW at 4am server time without an issue. I couldn't figure out why ranked wouldn't pop and because I was so determined to PvP I found a discord and learned they were in what I now know as blind week, and thus the ladder at the bottom was practically dead (and probably not the best at the top too). Because I knew this, I queued again from the start of S5 and loved it.