What to do about knock backs?

Hello all. So I'm finally becoming comfortable with tanking, and have been doing my best to use all the role actions to their fullest. However I did notice something odd. I noticed that tanks don't have a role action for knock backs like healers, casters, and melee do.

PLD has one but its job only and has an extensive cool down time. Should I worry about knock backs that are insta cast and or can't be stunned?

DRK and WAR have a gap closer as a countermeasure plunge (DRK lvl54) and osnlaught (WAR lvl62) and anti-knock backs inner release (WAR lvl 70), holmgang (lvl 42), you have to use it properly to counter the knock, depending of the frequency of 3 tanks only WAR have it on demand 100% of the time since plunge is a dps lost hold It more that a few seconds and is better use sprint instead.

I don’t tank much these days but as a BRD main I understand the no knock back prevention life. Generally you just want to position yourself so that you won’t fall off. As DRK you can time plunge to essentially negate the kb or use it after you’ve flown backwards to close the gap quickly. WAR can do the same with onslaught if you have gauge for it. Holmgang and Inner Release also negate kb, though you aren’t typically holding those for kbs alone. Worth noting in case a kb lines up with an IR window or buster you’ll be invulning.

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Originally Posted by shao32

DRK and WAR have a gap closer as a countermeasure plunge (DRK lvl54) and osnlaught (WAR lvl62) and anti-knock backs inner release (WAR lvl 70), holmgang (lvl 42), you have to use it properly to counter the knock, depending of the frequency of 3 tanks only WAR have it on demand 100% of the time since plunge is a dps lost hold It more that a few seconds and is better use sprint instead.

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Sorry a lil off topic here but why is Plunge a dps loss?

EDIT: Oh sorry do you mean to HOLD plunge is a dps loss?

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Originally Posted by SleepyNeko

Sorry a lil off topic here but why is Plunge a dps loss?

EDIT: Oh sorry do you mean to HOLD plunge is a dps loss?

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yes, use plunge is a dps gain and should be on recast all the time, this mean its not up for knock backs most of the time, you can hold it for a few sec if the recast sync more or less with the mechanic but normally is better just use sprint.

I wonder if DRK can prevent knockbacks with TBN?

Not taking damage means no knockback, right?

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Originally Posted by Tint

Not taking damage means no knockback, right?

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It depends as some knockback attacks don't actually deal any damage whilst some do, so yeah you could cheat it with an active barrier (like TBN or Galvanize) but that doesn't work with everything. I think o5s is an example of where barriers aren't enough to avoid knockback from the ghost, at least that's what I remember but never tried to cheat it outside of anti-knockback actions so can't confirm it.

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Originally Posted by Tint

I wonder if DRK can prevent knockbacks with TBN?

Not taking damage means no knockback, right?

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i know a dungeon boss you can prevent is knockbacks with TBN but i don't remember well what dungeon was, on savage or raids in general don't work at all as far my experience tells me, shields will be to powerful if they do that and will kill the purpose of the anti-knockbacks every job have, except BRD and MCH but they can dpsing while moving.

Concerning DRK, you need to learn the timing of a raid to see where you can and can't use plunge. Yes, this is going to result in a lost plunge or so, but it's far better to lose a plunge cast than it is to lose several GCDs of uptime.

In cases like omega M/F, it means having an un-optimized plunge, but you do at least gain an extra use for the knockback so it's not so bad.

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Originally Posted by shao32

i know a dungeon boss you can prevent is knockbacks with TBN but i don't remember well what dungeon was, on savage or raids in general don't work at all as far my experience tells me, shields will be to powerful if they do that and will kill the purpose of the anti-knockbacks every job have, except BRD and MCH but they can dpsing while moving.

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Hells Lid, First boss TBN protects you from knock back and the vulnerability stack you would receive from the 100-ton swing

Depends on the attack type. If its no damage knockback then time a gap closer, but if its a damaging knockback you can use a shield.

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Originally Posted by Derio

Depends on the attack type. If its no damage knockback then time a gap closer, but if its a damaging knockback you can use a shield.

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To clarify on that point, a damage shield such as TBN will negate the knockback effect when it is part of an attack that does damage, such as the knockback attack that Zenos does when you fight him in Ala Mhigo, but only if your shield absorbs ALL the damage the attack does. If the attack does enough to break the shield and do any damage at all, even a single HP, then you get affected by the knockback.

I wish Plunge had a higher range. There are knockbacks who push you out of the range of Plunge. Having no knockback prevention and the shortest ranged gap closer is bad design imo.