Is the Primal data center dying?

It seems over the past month that the data center as a whole is in a constant state of free fall. At the time I usually play there’s always been at least 70 items in the PF and the market board wasn’t too bad. Lately prices have, at least from what I’ve seen become the lowest of the two current data centers and the PF doesn’t even hit 40 items. The world relocation, in my opinion doesn’t do Primal any favors either. Would it be best to take advantage of the upcoming free transfer and go to one of the other two? Thoughts on Primal as a whole?

Primal isn't too far behind Aether population wise. Unfortunately, it hasn't ever cultivated an image for itself. When people think of a raid server they're immediately told Gilgamesh or Sarg. If they ask about roleplay, you're directed to Balmung or Mateus. Primal as always been sort of a middle ground. Nevertheless, it's far from dying. You do have to keep in mind, we're basically about to enter a lengthily drought. Many people are either taking Alphascape slow, ignoring it altogether or have already finished it because there isn't any rush outside parsing. 4.5 should bring people back, but expect it to fall off again once Blue Mage hype or lack thereof wanes. If you aren't finding what you're looking for, why not make an alt on Aether and poke around? That way you'll have a better idea if it fits before committing to a transfer.

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Originally Posted by Warghoul570

ILately prices have, at least from what I’ve seen become the lowest of the two current data centers and the PF doesn’t even hit 40 items.

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So it's a buyers market? Boo hoo. I don't feel bad for people who overprice things.

I don't do much with PF but I'm definitely jumping ship once Crystal is available. But that's mainly because I have a friend that's on a world that's about to be shuffled over and there's a few worlds on Primal that seem to be full of really annoying or rude people that always make me groan when I see them in party/alliance chat because I know it's always going to be a Thing. I know there's bad people everywhere, but the further I can get away from this certain type the better.

Though I have noticed recently it's harder to actually sell things on the MB, either from lack of interest in those items or getting undercut by someone that never sleeps as soon as I update prices. But that could be a universal thing.

I mainly use PF for WT.. up until a few weeks ago I used to be able to finish it in a week

Primal isn't dying. We're in the usual quiet time of the patch cycle, getting towards the end of an expansion, and with a relic quest that is funneling players into Eureka instead of DF / PF. Of course it is your call if you want to move servers.

Even Eureka has been an issue. It’s been impossible to find a challenge log party that’s for under level 20 even on Tuesday and there’s not a lot of cooperation especially when it comes to healing the dead unless your in the NM train

Not sure which Primal data center you're playing on, but no Primal isn't dying. I play during EST peak hrs of 8pm-1am. Things normally don't slow down till around 1-2am EST for me personally. PF is quite active and always plenty of people in Eureka (least in Pyros and some Pagos). Maybe it's your times? Again not sure, but I've not had this personal issue, not saying it isn't happening to you personally. But it isn't so widespread it's happening to us all on Primal.

Sep thru Nov is a prime time for game releases. Almost all the AAA title launch at this time.

I play around 11pm est. the past few weeks I haven’t been able to find any of the WT stuff on it that’s usually prevalent at that time

I just started doing WT again recently and I've had 0 issues finishing it in one session regardless of playtime. I've been gardening and working on desynthesis, so I primarily go after the Poetics or Mendacity Tomes. I've been completing WT weekly since 4.45 came out, but which day I do it on has been a bit random... it's still an afterthought usually as my primary source of tomes is still Roulettes (I queue as whatever is "in need" so I get instant queues).

Regardless, if I don't find any of the things I need in PF, then I make my own and they still fill up relatively quickly. The longest I've had to wait for my own PF to fill for a WT trial is 15 minutes since 4.45 released. I can also solo almost all of the level 50 content unsync'd on any of the Tanks now... and I've actually done that a few times each week. NOT because PF wasn't filling though, but because I've found that having more ppl in some trials (f.e. Leviathan, Ifrit, and Ramuh) can make them more difficult. If it takes multiple wipes to clear any of those... then I probably could have solo'd them faster.

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Originally Posted by Warghoul570

Even Eureka has been an issue. It’s been impossible to find a challenge log party that’s for under level 20 even on Tuesday and there’s not a lot of cooperation especially when it comes to healing the dead unless your in the NM train

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Thats how it is on every datacenter because most people are not in that level anymore.

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Originally Posted by Warghoul570

I play around 11pm est. the past few weeks I haven’t been able to find any of the WT stuff on it that’s usually prevalent at that time

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I mean all the ARR trials are soloable now, that drastically reduces the number of people doing them in PF, furthermore I feel like you're waiting for other people to make parties instead of making them yourself.

1) End of patch downtime
2) Stir because of 4.5/5.0 announcements
3) New games, holiday season, lots of folks busy
4) Could just be bad timing: nobody wants what's on WT bc they have the tome gear or raid drops and there's new crafting gear dropping in 4.5
5) Our FC has been more active than ever, meaning we don't PF anything because we've got 4/8/12/24 people to to whatever we want. Others could be in the same boat.
6) More people using DF: we took some newbies through Omega last night (all 3 sets) and we never waited more than like 6m for a pop.

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Originally Posted by InkstainedGwyn

1) End of patch downtime
2) Stir because of 4.5/5.0 announcements
3) New games, holiday season, lots of folks busy
4) Could just be bad timing: nobody wants what's on WT bc they have the tome gear or raid drops and there's new crafting gear dropping in 4.5
5) Our FC has been more active than ever, meaning we don't PF anything because we've got 4/8/12/24 people to to whatever we want. Others could be in the same boat.
6) More people using DF: we took some newbies through Omega last night (all 3 sets) and we never waited more than like 6m for a pop.

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Is there? I thought they were talking about 5.0 when they showed crafting sets. I'll have to look over that part of the live letter from fanfest again i guess...

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Yah the new gear concepts they showed during the Keynote at NA Fanfest were for ShadowBringers, aka 5.0.
I'm not aware of any new crafting/gathering sets being added for 4.5 or 4.55 unless I'm overlooking the announcement. Please link.

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Originally Posted by alimdia

I mean all the ARR trials are soloable now, that drastically reduces the number of people doing them in PF, furthermore I feel like you're waiting for other people to make parties instead of making them yourself.

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I’ve never tried to solothem before. Is it possible as a level 373 drg even though we don’t have as much as other jobs in terms of self healing?

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Originally Posted by Warghoul570

I’ve never tried to solothem before. Is it possible as a level 373 drg even though we don’t have as much as other jobs in terms of self healing?

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Never tried soloing them as DRG, but your avatar says you have PLD at 70. All of the ARR Ex primals are soloable by a lvl 70 PLD in basic AF gear. Might take you a while and you'll have to pay attention to some mechanics, but it's completely doable.

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Originally Posted by Rowde

Is there? I thought they were talking about 5.0 when they showed crafting sets. I'll have to look over that part of the live letter from fanfest again i guess...

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Yah the new gear concepts they showed during the Keynote at NA Fanfest were for ShadowBringers, aka 5.0.
I'm not aware of any new crafting/gathering sets being added for 4.5 or 4.55 unless I'm overlooking the announcement. Please link.

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I wasn't even talking about that - that's the new crafting AF stuff from 5.0. I'm talking about the Ironworks Crafting/Gathering gear equivalent for 4.0. The "carbonweave" stuff came out in 4.3, I see no reason they won't be following up with the blue crafted set. It'll be the BiS for crafting when 5.0 hit, since the 5.0 stuff will be higher than 4.4 stuff, which the 4.3 crafting gear was good for.

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm fully melded so it won't bother me if we don't get the higher tier but I don't expect them to deviate from the norm since they haven't yet.

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Originally Posted by Rymm

Never tried soloing them as DRG, but your avatar says you have PLD at 70. All of the ARR Ex primals are soloable by a lvl 70 PLD in basic AF gear. Might take you a while and you'll have to pay attention to some mechanics, but it's completely doable.

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Yes I have both paladin and dark knight at 70 but I don’t actually play as a tank anymore.. I’ll have to see if I can find some cheap I level gear and give it a shot

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Originally Posted by InkstainedGwyn

I wasn't even talking about that - that's the new crafting AF stuff from 5.0. I'm talking about the Ironworks Crafting/Gathering gear equivalent for 4.0. The "carbonweave" stuff came out in 4.3, I see no reason they won't be following up with the blue crafted set. It'll be the BiS for crafting when 5.0 hit, since the 5.0 stuff will be higher than 4.4 stuff, which the 4.3 crafting gear was good for.

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm fully melded so it won't bother me if we don't get the higher tier but I don't expect them to deviate from the norm since they haven't yet.

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They've already deviated from the norms established in the previous expansions quite a bit.
For example, the class-exclusive sets were tied to scrips in SB, whereas they were crafted in ARR and HW.

Despite color discrepancies, I believe we've received the same amount of sets so far in SB though, so I don't anticipate anymore crafting/gathering gear this expansion.

Initial Sets:
Chimerical Felt/Serpentskin in HW, lv.60 no star
Twinsilk/Gazelleskin in SB, lv.70 no star

Mid-tier Sets:
Carbonweave in HW, lv.60 2 star
Ala Mhigan in SB, lv.70 2 star

Final Sets:
Artisan/Forager in ARR required Ixali BST tribe items to craft, lv.50 4 star
Ironworks in HW required Moogle BST tribe items to craft, lv.60 3 star
The last SB sets added, Onishi/Yamashi, required Namazu BST tribe items to craft lv.70 3 star

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Originally Posted by Rymm

Never tried soloing them as DRG, but your avatar says you have PLD at 70. All of the ARR Ex primals are soloable by a lvl 70 PLD in basic AF gear. Might take you a while and you'll have to pay attention to some mechanics, but it's completely doable.

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I don't think you can solo titan without someone else being there to break you out. I've only done the normal mode solo and this is what happened - once you get gaoled, it automatically counts as you failing the fight. I assume this applies to the extreme version as well.

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Originally Posted by Lissandra

I don't think you can solo titan without someone else being there to break you out. I've only done the normal mode solo and this is what happened - once you get gaoled, it automatically counts as you failing the fight. I assume this applies to the extreme version as well.

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Wrong. Extreme titan gaol places you in a time limited rock that should the cast bar finish hits you with a semi painful attack that any level 70 can shrug off. You only fail on hard, not extreme.

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Originally Posted by Lissandra

I don't think you can solo titan without someone else being there to break you out. I've only done the normal mode solo and this is what happened - once you get gaoled, it automatically counts as you failing the fight. I assume this applies to the extreme version as well.

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It can be. If you do enough dmg you skip Gaol. Have to save your bursts for those phases.

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Originally Posted by Lissandra

I don't think you can solo titan without someone else being there to break you out. I've only done the normal mode solo and this is what happened - once you get gaoled, it automatically counts as you failing the fight. I assume this applies to the extreme version as well.

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I solo farmed all the primal ponies early in SB, this definitely isn't true. The only time I failed Titan Ex is if I burst the heart down too quick and am in the gaol when he does his AoE after the heart dies. If I let him gaol me, then kill the heart once it falls off, it barely scratches my armor.

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Originally Posted by InkstainedGwyn

I wasn't even talking about that - that's the new crafting AF stuff from 5.0. I'm talking about the Ironworks Crafting/Gathering gear equivalent for 4.0. The "carbonweave" stuff came out in 4.3, I see no reason they won't be following up with the blue crafted set. It'll be the BiS for crafting when 5.0 hit, since the 5.0 stuff will be higher than 4.4 stuff, which the 4.3 crafting gear was good for.

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm fully melded so it won't bother me if we don't get the higher tier but I don't expect them to deviate from the norm since they haven't yet.

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No, we hit last tier of everything, I do not know what makes you think we are in carbonweave. If you take a look how the crafting and gathering sets are made, and compare it to ironworks, you see they are made exactly the same way, item from beast tibe to refine, so on.

Also we are on the last raid tier, meaning there shouldn't be any DoW/DoM gear cept maybe mid tier gear that is on the equivalent of sky pirate stuff of HW (the 255 gear) So all we have left before 5.0 is the last 24 man, buffing relics, maybe a npc to upgrade DoW/DoM gear (like the i350>i360 upgrade) maybe some glam and housing items.

It is the same cycle, i doono what you expect.

I've not noticed anything other than the normal patch cycle decline.
If anything, we're more alive than ever.

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Originally Posted by Lissandra

I don't think you can solo titan without someone else being there to break you out. I've only done the normal mode solo and this is what happened - once you get gaoled, it automatically counts as you failing the fight. I assume this applies to the extreme version as well.

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No. Ironically, Ex is the only one where it doesn't count as an auto failure - you just take explosion damage from the gaol blowing up, and that's easily survivable at level 70, especially the higher your item level is.

I seem to be getting faster queues as DPS than when I played a year ago. :confused: If it's dead that sucks, because I need to transfer to another server on it.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

No. Ironically, Ex is the only one where it doesn't count as an auto failure - you just take explosion damage from the gaol blowing up, and that's easily survivable at level 70, especially the higher your item level is.

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Oh right, I forgot about the gaol exploding in the extreme version. I haven't done it in a really long time, haha.

Primal isn’t dying. It’s the most casual and friendliest DC. I think people are just waiting on 4.5 and a lot of games just got released too which this happens every time this year

I wouldn't say it's dying but most people are either waiting for the next big patch and playing other games or just doing dailies/weekly raiding for the most part, we're just in that drought that happens once in awhile.

My sub expired like 2-3 days ago and I been lazy to resub at the moment. I will have to resub in few days or in a week due to keeping my house and pvp. I hate pvp way more than Eureka but gotta get enough points to buy the stuff I want before the dc reshuffling. Pvp queues will probably be horrible after the servers split.

Got three of my characters to ilvl 370 and finished msq to current and learned updating gear further pointless until new patch drops.

The only dying going on is downtime between patch cycles. Primal is fine and sitting pretty. Wouldn't ever want to leave this DC. Especially after the server regrouping.

Excalibur has had quite a solid raid community and lot's of world firsts.
I still have instant ques on my Tank. My retainer's still completely sell out over-night.
All the new stuff from Pyros (emote, hairstyle, Goblin Dice, etc) sold instantly for 5mil each.

Never had a problem with Primal in general either.

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Originally Posted by InkstainedGwyn

I wasn't even talking about that - that's the new crafting AF stuff from 5.0. I'm talking about the Ironworks Crafting/Gathering gear equivalent for 4.0. The "carbonweave" stuff came out in 4.3, I see no reason they won't be following up with the blue crafted set. It'll be the BiS for crafting when 5.0 hit, since the 5.0 stuff will be higher than 4.4 stuff, which the 4.3 crafting gear was good for.

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm fully melded so it won't bother me if we don't get the higher tier but I don't expect them to deviate from the norm since they haven't yet.

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Ironworks released in the same patch as carbonweave in HW.

Been doing a lot of checking on the servers that are moving over to light and it seems most of those( still have two to check), other than Balmung and Mateus are low pop with many open housing plots and seller unfriendly MB. It’s lookig like Primal may not become as bad as I’m fearing

Primal is a fantastic data center overall. We're not quite as strong in Feast PVP in terms of participants but if that's not your cup of tea, you'd be just fine here. I love this data center and am glad I moved here.

I just really hate the damn que times though.. took me a half hour to get into a level 70 roulette last night as a drg

The datacenter is fine, we're just in between patches. Despite the hate for Eureka, Pagos is still pretty lively too. Pyros will probably have a nice influx of players once people finish Pagos since a lot of people like myself didn't bother with it until after the nerfs it was given.