World shell

Ok this is just an idea really and may not be wanted by many or anyone really but i not alot time to join linkshells for a fair few reasons but i do like what they do in game by bringing the community together.
So maybe some sort of world shell where as you can enter which language use you want for it and have the communications work exactly like a linkshell but it be on a more bigger scale , just an idea and there sure to be a few problems with this idea.

Of course i would want this with linkshell still being there as well.

I'm sorry I don't understand :-/

well have a shell and have communications work like a linkshell but the whole world has access to it but you can filter out by language so you dont get all communications from japanese if you dont understand a word of it.

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Originally Posted by MaxWinter

well have a shell and have communications work like a linkshell but the whole world has access to it but you can filter out by language so you dont get all communications from japanese if you dont understand a word of it.

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You mean a world chat?
I'm not really sure I like that idea, people will keep spamming it with diverse comments (party looking for members, people looking for party, people looking for crafters, people begging for gil, RMT advertisement, etc). It will be a big pot of nonsense very difficult to follow, then thousands time worse than shouts in Uld'ah at peak hours.

I'm not supporting this idea right now, I fail to see its usefulness.
I'd rather have billboards in town where you can post some notes:
- Crafter looking work, contact XYZ
- Super party to kill NM at [time] on [day], everyone welcomed!
- Linkshell ABC recruiting! Contact XYZ for an invitation.
- etc.

Even then, it would be a real mess to manage properly.

Please, develop your idea of the world chat, how would it be useful? ...without being a pain for everyone's chat log?

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Originally Posted by radstar88

I'm sorry I don't understand :-/

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He wants a world chat channel under the guise of a linkshell. Hello, Mr. Spam Gilseller, and your fifty companions!

yeah a world chat of sorts , though i did say in post there might be problems with it.
Another idea could be a linkshell for linkshells , so that more than one linkshell falls under the chat but these just ideas and i do worry about rmt and also other bad problems players bring up, i just trying think what is good way to bring community of a world together.
There may be say 5 different linkshells on one world but why not a chance for them all to communicate between each other.
The world chat type idea, i suggested it because like i said some people cant commit to linkshells but still like the community.

Why we don't have global chat channels is still a head scratcher to me.

I wanted to have /shout being world chat at the start of the game, but now I'm satisfied with it being a zone chat instead. Helps to reduce spam for one.

Even though we have the 2 party search systems, people are still shouting for parties - let them, but limit it to a zone, i.e. ul'dah.

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Originally Posted by GreyJorildyn

Why we don't have global chat channels is still a head scratcher to me.

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"server limitations"

i think what you want is world chat

Ehh, it's probably not necessary to have a 'World Chat' option. Most anything that would be said in it for grouping and leveling purposes can be put in your 'search' options already. It would be nice if the next thing SE gave us was a way to post a 'looking for a crafter or buying/selling' message in our search as well. (Meaning, just make search even more useful).

But a chat log that can just be spammed with useless crap all day, that you feel you need to keep on for that one nugget of gold that happens every 3 hours or so?...nah, better ways to accomplish the same goal.

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Originally Posted by Kinseykinz

Ehh, it's probably not necessary to have a 'World Chat' option. Most anything that would be said in it for grouping and leveling purposes can be put in your 'search' options already. It would be nice if the next thing SE gave us was a way to post a 'looking for a crafter or buying/selling' message in our search as well. (Meaning, just make search even more useful).

But a chat log that can just be spammed with useless crap all day, that you feel you need to keep on for that one nugget of gold that happens every 3 hours or so?...nah, better ways to accomplish the same goal.

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wouldn't hurt though. its prob part of the reason people feel needed to gather in uldh. i wouldn't wait in grid if i wanted an xp party.

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

wouldn't hurt though. its prob part of the reason people feel needed to gather in uldh. i wouldn't wait in grid if i wanted an xp party.

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I get more random invites just doing my own thing (leves etc) than by standing around in Uldah. I don't even have my party flag up, people just see that I'm the correct class etc and send a tell. My point is the only reason people wait in Uldah for an exp party is because the community in general is still slow to use the search function. We have an effective tool for grouping people already don't use...we don't need a 'world spam chat' to make the situation even worse.

Don't get me wrong, I know that a lot of people still don't seem to use the search/looking for party function, but it's there AND it works. So if the only reason you would like 'World Chat' is for grouping, we already have an effective world system for partying... however, SE can't force the player base to be smart and use it.

I'd like a world chat. You can filter it out easily and there could be a timer limit on how many messages you can send through it. People complain that no one leaves Ul'dah but some servers like my own gather people through shouts so everyone crowds around the Aetheryte/Bric a brac area. Global chat would ensure that you don't miss anything.

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

wouldn't hurt though. its prob part of the reason people feel needed to gather in uldh. i wouldn't wait in grid if i wanted an xp party.

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if you wanted an xp party, you'd put your party flag up. Seriously, people have been crying for SE to implement the system, yet there are too few people who actually use it.

So what's next, implementing a world chat no one really needs only for it to be spammed by RMT? (Thanks for the offer, but I have to pass.)

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Originally Posted by Soukyuu

if you wanted an xp party, you'd put your party flag up. Seriously, people have been crying for SE to implement the system and after they did everyone barely ever use it.

So what's next, implementing a world chat no one really needs only for it to be spammed by RMT? (Thanks for the offer, but I have to pass.)

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i had my flag up and still saw shouts for party, don't knw why people would be against world chat(unless you couldn't turn it off) anyways i don't need xp party's i was being nice and thinking of others who might.

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

anyways i don't need xp party's i was being nice and thinking of others who might.

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Ok, let me re-phrase that, those who want an xp party shouldn't shout but use the search function (and set their flags). Yet people still continue to do so, so you will still hang out in uldah instead of being productive somewhere else.

World chat might solve that but then you will have a higher possibility of RMT spamming it. Zone chat is a nice compromise enabling you to reach more people than with /say but not enough for the RMT to start (ab)using it to advertise.

I don't know why you worry about RMT spamming world chat when it makes it easy to point fingers at who exactly is a RMT and god willing once SE starts getting on RMT like they finally did in 11 those accounts would get banned. It would be counterproductive.

I'd be worried more about people being morons on it and arguing over it, honestly. But if there's a time limit in place it wouldn't be too bad.

Okay, so if you don't need/want world chat for party building, then what DO you want it for? Give examples of how it could be more useful than /s /sh /t /l or by using the 'search' feature already in place.

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Originally Posted by Estellios

I don't know why you worry about RMT spamming world chat when it makes it easy to point fingers at who exactly is a RMT and god willing once SE starts getting on RMT like they finally did in 11 those accounts would get banned. It would be counterproductive.

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I think you answered your own question with that one. SE's reaction to RMT is too slow. Meaning even if they ban one group, another will pop up almost immediately, not solving the spam issue.

I would rather not see global chat but region chat I'd be ok with, ie West Shroud, Gridania, Coerthas Eastern Highlands etc.

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Originally Posted by Soukyuu

I think you answered your own question with that one. SE's reaction to RMT is too slow. Meaning even if they ban one group, another will pop up almost immediately, not solving the spam issue.

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But why would the RMT groups use the global chat and paint a big red target on their foreheads, is what I'm saying.

FF11's RMT countermeasures were a slow start and then out of nowhere they came down swift and banned a ton of people a few years ago. Before then RMTs infested NM/HNM spots and all of a sudden they were all gone. And either way the utility and good that a global chat channel can do far outweighs that negative. It's like the people that didn't want jump just because they don't want to see it.

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Originally Posted by Soukyuu

Ok, let me re-phrase that, those who want an xp party shouldn't shout but use the search function (and set their flags). Yet people still continue to do so, so you will still hang out in uldah instead of being productive somewhere else.

World chat might solve that but then you will have a higher possibility of RMT spamming it. Zone chat is a nice compromise enabling you to reach more people than with /say but not enough for the RMT to start (ab)using it to advertise.

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I still run into people who do not know how to use the search functionality or how to set their status to seek.
A lot of people actually.
And it is not very intuitive to those who do not already know.

And even so, still seems to not be as effective as shouting.

Perhaps what is being suggested is more along the lines of:
Global Chat Channels

Just like linkshells, but you do not need to equip a linkshell to use it (and therefore do not need to be a member).
There would be more than one chat channel you can join, for example:
/chat "Conjurer" <message>
/chat "Goldsmith" <message>
/chat "ExpParty" <message>
/chat "Primals" <message>

Everyone could tune into which channel they want to listen/speak on.
Would make it easy for many people to talk with each other based on a specific topic.
Could blacklist people who spam or are annoying.

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Originally Posted by Asiaine

I still run into people who do not know how to use the search functionality or how to set their status to seek.
A lot of people actually.
And it is not very intuitive to those who do not already know.

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Nothing is intuitive with SE, but people should explore the UI a bit more. I had little problems figuring it out and i'm not some genius, just an ordinary player.

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And even so, still seems to not be as effective as shouting.

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Only because people are not using the system.