Constructive Pyros Feedback

Short and sweet, here's what I've got so far:

1. Elementals drop different things at different levels, making it difficult to gather specific logograms once you've leveled too far. Some people are even considering purposefully de-leveling in order to go back and get logograms that they can't find anymore at level 50. Easiest solution to this problem would be to remove the restriction that sprites must be the same level as you or higher to drop logograms. If you didn't get the increased quantities from chain bonus or even if you didn't get the base amount of 5, that would still be fine. If I could go back as level 50 and farm level 41 sprites and get only 1 logogram per kill, that would still be better than the current situation.

2. There should be an option to convert logos actions into their logogram form so that you can use them in creating other logos actions. For example, I should be able to create a Cure L II with Cure L + Cure L, then convert the Cure L II into a logogram which I could then use to make Cure L III (Cure L II + Cure L II).

There's more I could go into. The first thing is definitely the most glaring problem with Pyros right now. Granted it's only the first week and maybe there are methods people haven't found yet, but that's the current situation.

I agree with you in all points. Its agood thing that people on reddit share about their discoveries, how to get several Logogram's. But me and alot of other ppl hate this absurd tripple layered RNG for defense and offensive Logograms.Getting a Gold Chest is almost impossible, means getting you Pyros Armor is pure luck. And its not even a good one.

Mounts and Hairstyles in Gold, okay. But not for Items that you need to get some Gear. I hope they put them in silver boxes so its not almost impossible to get your Gear.

From the Elemental Conflicts I would like to see an additional token added. Something to the effect of "lucky rabbit's tuft", obtained by clearing it. Add a vendor at Northpoint where you can trade these tufts for the various logograms. The rng associated with the appraisal at Drake still exists, but at least you get something for your time/effort spent at the elemental conflicts.

I dont mind the gold bunny chest having a good amount of those Logos as a bonus
but let the Adapting undead and such have a better drop rate of them too so there is a reliable way to farm them
same drop rate as mutating statues and the heatboxes

>Full night cycle of farming adapting Undead
2 logos ( i was also the only one who got them aswell)
>Full night cycle of farming Mutating statues
19 heat boxes

In pagos the bunny fates were ignored for the most part since they didn't give very good rewards. This time in pyros the pendulum has swung the other way.

Now the bunnies have gone from being mostly useless, to being required. As gold bunny chests seem to be the only significant source of offensive logograms, and you need these to unlock the relic armor. People have gone from ignoring bunny fates, to almost exclusively doing bunny fates.

Getting the NM fates to spawn has become a chore since the majority of people are too easily distracted by bunnies. Yesterday a friend and I duo killed all the mobs required to spawn 4 NMs before our instance timer ran out. No one else was helping to spawn the NMs

This shouldn't be a problem. The bunny fates should be for vanity items and/or experience points only. Please remove logograms from bunny chests, or at the very least make the logograms have a reliable farming method outside of the bunny chests. I can understand locking items like minions or mounts behind multiple layers of RNG, but the main point of this content, the relic gear ? No.

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Originally Posted by Zetsumei_Tsunarashi

Getting the NM fates to spawn has become a chore since the majority of people are too easily distracted by bunnies. Yesterday a friend and I duo killed all the mobs required to spawn 4 NMs before our instance timer ran out. No one else was helping to spawn the NMs.

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this definitely varies i still see plenty of "high level NM spawn" parties
but also doesn't take that many to Spawn NM in Pyros you don't need a horde of people to spawn fates
not aim at you but people need to not expect the train to be there personal army anymore and take the initiative to spawn fates

they shouldn't remove Logograms from bunny chest there just needs to be a better and more reliable way to farm them

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Originally Posted by Zetsumei_Tsunarashi

In pagos the bunny fates were ignored for the most part since they didn't give very good rewards. This time in pyros the pendulum has swung the other way.

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That has been my experience, too. It's been a massive problem finding a group to do anything apart from fates/bunnies. Because Bunny fates spawn without prepping, it's led to far more people sitting AFK at the Aetheryte. I've seen heatwaves and people unable to pop Penthelsea due to lack of interest. As one person responded to the people frustrated with this,
'Why bother? Doing the bunnies has netted me 50 mil in 3 days'.

Add onto that:
Even if you get gold, getting a bunny is RNG
Bunnies from the Northern fate have a good chance of getting killed before you leave the area
You have a tiny chance of getting a gold chest

I thought I wanted the armour, but I'm not sure I want it enough to farm bunnies for several days.
Of course, I could buy the logograms I need but... is it really too much to ask that we can get them by actually playing the game?
The best method for getting Offensive Logograms really does seem to be sit around afk at the aetheryte, wait for the bunny fates to spawn and pray that RNG is on your side, but it's not fun.

I agree something needs to be done with the sprites and the levels, the obvious idea would be to have a personal level sync. That would help parties as well, not just the sprite farm.

I'm at a roadblock in my relic as no one spawns penthesilea. Every heat wave just stand there calling for parties and get maybe one other person in a full instance interested :(

Same for me.

Heatwave window approaches, no one wants to pre-farm. Heatwave occurs, a group or two form, gather together and finally kill maybe 8 or 9 moths then immediately run off for a lv35 fate. Heatwave ends. Next Heatwave 347 minutes. Have more crystals than I need and can't farm light until I get past the roadblock.

Not sure why the light farm is tied to a completed relic this time either, in Pagos you could start farming light well in advance from lv25.

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Originally Posted by AbandonHopeTD

I'm at a roadblock in my relic as no one spawns penthesilea. Every heat wave just stand there calling for parties and get maybe one other person in a full instance interested :(

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SE needs to address this, the spawn conditions for Penthesilea or so borked right now that NOBODY wants to do the prep work. I just spend an entire lockout killing bloodgliders, I watched heatwaves come and go 3 times in a row with no spawn from penthesilea. Throwing in more RNG to an already RNG based conditions spawn system is so asinine that its literally killing the motivation of the playerbase to do NM prep work in Eureka, more and more people either just do bunnies or afk in town. Does seriously everything in this game have to revolve around RNG?

Sorry but Pyros is fail just like the others. I completed the quests, got max level, ability to mount and not been back. I got 1x Pagos relic but I'll do w/o the relic upgrade tyvm, it's just not worth the headache.

Add a level sync feature, all areas of Eureka could really use this.

Make the bunnies in the northern bunny fate sturdier. Nobody seems to do this one anymore and their reason is that the bunnies die too easily.

1. Stop waging war against all things anemos and the NM train for each new eureka. This was made for group content and that nm train is the most effective way of doing things. So stop doing things like ledges and logos in a desperate effort to derail the train. It sucks the fun out of eureka.

2.RNG bunnies/boxes etc. Way too much rng for certain logos actions. I am satisfied with unlocking the weapon but the armor is whole nother issue. I would also ask the mount also be obtainable through pyros boxes. I can only stand bunnies for so long.

3. The only plus side to pyros is leveling but in retrospect i would rather have lvling and crystals being the only barriers to the weapon than logos unlocking.

my addition: make the magicite upgrade items buyable with tokens/pyros crystals. people are selling those upgrade mats for rediculously high prices on my server, and i swear they have a drop rate worse than the original atma grind. other than that what Grimr said.

My suggestion, add a failsafe to the stat rolling for the relic, such as a way to lock rows using something extra, such as Pyros Crystals. The locks would keep the stat in place for every roll until you unlock the row, which would have no cost to do. However, for each subsequent row locked, the price increases. For example, 40 for the first row, 80 for the 2nd, 120 for the 3rd, and 160 for the 4th. This limits the frustration in this currently infuriating step. RNG isn't fun, especially when there's no way to lessen its influence.

Maybe make the big bad NM that everything hinges on have like a higher priority spawn than bunnies and trash NMs? Like...I know nothing about lights at all still because after weeks she's still just not showing up. Weather is fine, moths are dead, by the hundreds, and she just doesn't show up. All in all.....if I ever finish this weapon, this will likely be the last round of relic content I ever complete. It's just truly awful content, tedious and riddled with pointless frustrations, and I really resent paying all I have for this game at this point.

after spending 4 days with no penny spawn. and i prep from open till close on many inst . its pretty depressing. and most of all very wrong. the rest of the game fates do not work at all like this. so they want us to swallow some bs . make a change or tell us what makes it spawn. you wonder why players stop playing. you pay to be tortured?

I leveled from 40-47 in two days of grinding Pyros (doing bunny Fates, NMs, and challenge log), and I have over 30 logograms...but still not 150 crystals. So I can't even get the first upgrade to my weapon yet. I'd really love to see either the NMs drop more crystals, or the requirements for how many you need go down a little.

the current state of pyros is well depressing to say the least and reminds me of pago pre nerf. nm prepping has gone to a hault. There are groups but they come and go. Tracking has also gone by the wayside. Sadly the only thing going is bunnies which as i have said before i am tired of. It is so bad i don't think the nm train would be able to fix it. I would love to blame the entire situation on bunnies but it something else entirely. Crystals and light are just a pain to get. i know there are times instances close way to early and i don't know why se does this. i have not spent three hours in pyros for the longest of time not like pagos.

The bunnies situation is in part caused by some of the more rare logograms are only available through the bunnies, so if you've already gotten the others, bunnies is the only option (besides the MB). Besides that, there are a lot of opportunists trying to get the mounts and the hair because they are behind so much RNG that you can sell them on the MB for a tidy profit. If SE wants to fix that, they either need to have bunnies drop gold chests more often, or put those items in regular Pyros chest like how the t-rex mount was in Anemos.

I must admit, I really like eureka. I appreciate how it encourages cooperation. I really like the logos system. Neat way to play your character.

Maybe someone should ask yoshi P about the logograms at the next fan fest. maybe they will adjust it.