O9S SCH+AST 10K Combined

Link to the video here

What are your thoughts on this? Crazy to see healers reaching that amount of damage.

But remember, healer DPS doesn't contribute much damage to the raid and barely has any impact on how fast you'll clear.~~~

There's so little damage going on in savage content (and anything easier such as ex primals) that healers will just find a way to heal using mostly oGCD heals. The crazy thing is that their rdps is even higher.

Anyway, it's pretty normal considering the way healers and fights are designed in this game. In ffxiv healers are just a support role with decent dps and several tools to keep the party alive.

Makes the healer vs tank dps debate a bit more interesting

Other than that, slightly depressing there are healers doing more damage than me :(

nah... no need to be depressed...
as you can see they use their kit to the fullest extend to maximize the dps. they are just really good.
no unnessesary movements, no unused ätherflowstack, weaved as much as possible...

which sadly shows why whm is in an awrfull position right now: the fights are just way to predictible, so you can just do most of the required healing with your ogcd-heals while the gcd spells on which whm relies,
essentialy reduces its dps-output.

Honestly Stormblood healer DPS numbers are not that impressive. Yeah "OMG 10k DPS!" may sound like a like, but proportionally it's less than heavensward numbers.

Not that those aren't very skilled players and congrats to them and all. But even while removing clerics made DPS flow so much more smoothly, devs kneecapped healer DPS a bit via scaling.

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Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

Honestly Stormblood healer DPS numbers are not that impressive. Yeah "OMG 10k DPS!" may sound like a like, but proportionally it's less than heavensward numbers.

Not that those aren't very skilled players and congrats to them and all. But even while removing clerics made DPS flow so much more smoothly, devs kneecapped healer DPS a bit via scaling.

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Even if SB healing is easier than HW it's still very impressive. This is 1,000 DPS higher than #2. Not to mention these two co-healers have #1 combined in most fights and also have the highest combined in UWU.

It's certainly extremely impressive.

Also worth nothing how much of an achievement it is for the group as a whole. Not only did every member put out wonderful damage for a clear that fast but the extent to which they mitigated any damage they had to take is beautiful. Watching that one Earthquake cast go out and just do nothing was really satisfying.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

But remember, healer DPS doesn't contribute much damage to the raid and barely has any impact on how fast you'll clear.~~~

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I don't remember anyone from the dev team saying that. /confused

As for OP's video. Umm yay, I guess?

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Originally Posted by Gemina

I don't remember anyone from the dev team saying that. /confused

As for OP's video. Umm yay, I guess?

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Also confused - did anyone imply that someone from the dev team said that? Not sure where that's factoring in.

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Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki

Also confused - did anyone imply that someone from the dev team said that? Not sure where that's factoring in.

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Not that I am aware of. I just pointed it out because it seems the comment is saying healers should be DPSing, and I thought we were well past those days. I could be wrong though?

To me, healer DPS contributing to raid damage, skipping phases, and speeding up clears is just a fact. So I am not sure what threads like these or that particular comment is set out to accomplish.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

Not that I am aware of. I just pointed it out because it seems the comment is saying healers should be DPSing, and I thought we were well past those days. I could be wrong though?

To me, healer DPS contributing to raid damage, skipping phases, and speeding up clears is just a fact. So I am not sure what threads like these or that particular comment is set out to accomplish.

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I'm not Cass so I can't say for sure but I think they're basically poking fun at the old argument that healer dps isn't meaningful or impactful. In this instance the dps the healers did was so considerable it shortened the fight by a ton. That would not be a 6:30 clear without the 10k+ from the healers.

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Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki

I'm not Cass so I can't say for sure but I think they're basically poking fun at the old argument that healer dps isn't meaningful or impactful. In this instance the dps the healers did was so considerable it shortened the fight by a ton. That would not be a 6:30 clear without the 10k+ from the healers.

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That's what I figured as well, and guess I'm just curious if anyone is actually still saying these things. We debunked the hell out of that argument and getting rid of stance dancing for healers was a huge contributor to that.

In terms of the fast clear in this video, I give credit to everyone. Not just the healers. Hence, my lack of enthusiasm for the post. Huge DPS windows for healers means less MP being spent on raises and hard casted cures, so I applaud the DPS and tanks as well for staying on their feet.

Perfectly balanced!!!

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Perfectly balanced!!!

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*cough* only 600 and 800 ahead of best WHM clear *cough*

After watching that clear I realize I have a ton of growth to do if I ever wanna be on this level. It was just so beautiful to see that level of technicality though. I thought just using Selene with minimal healing was cool but that was epic.

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After watching that clear I realize I have a ton of growth to do if I ever wanna be on this level. It was just so beautiful to see that level of technicality though. I thought just using Selene with minimal healing was cool but that was epic.

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Personally, I doubt I ever will get anywhere near that level, given that I simply don't have the time to dedicate to getting that good. Still neat seeing it, though I am now internally bleeding from seeing the difference between my best parse and that of the warrior in that vid.

I'm more impressed by those tank's mitigation and self healing than anything. Maybe I'm missing something. Also that AST seems to be doing most of the heavy lifting healing wise and is still dishing out crazy numbers.
AM I looking at this completely wrong?

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Originally Posted by EaMett

I'm more impressed by those tank's mitigation and self healing than anything. Maybe I'm missing something. Also that AST seems to be doing most of the heavy lifting healing wise and is still dishing out crazy numbers.
AM I looking at this completely wrong?

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The AST did all his healing through his oGCDs so it has no effect on the amount of damage he does. The healers are also the ones that tell tanks and DPS where to use their mitigation abilities. There also is no "self healing" unless you're talking about the DPS bloodbath which is also under the discretions of the healers it's all Selene. It's basically all on the healers to tell tanks and DPS where to use their tools.

According to the logs linked in the video, there was barely any self-healing involved indeed. The Bard and the Ninja used one Second Wind each, Ninja tryharded a bit with Bloodbath... but otherwise the 'best' self-healer was the Warrior with a whopping 60k through Storm's Path. Poor thing, his single Equilibrium use was a 100% overheal! :p

But yes, the biggest contributor to let them get away with so little healing overall was the great cooldown mapping; pretty much every major raid buster had Addle, Reprisal, Shake it Off, Divine Veil or healer shields running.

Also, holy hell, nearly 80% Balance uptime.

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Originally Posted by Raminax

Also, holy hell, nearly 80% Balance uptime.

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That's only a glitch on fflogs :D there was only 3 aoe balances which is 28% uptime + 2 single target balances.

So it was 28% balance uptime for the party and 48% balance uptime for the NIN.

3 AoE balances is actually really unlucky since you normally start with 2 balances at the start.

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Originally Posted by Raminax

According to the logs linked in the video, there was barely any self-healing involved indeed. The Bard and the Ninja used one Second Wind each, Ninja tryharded a bit with Bloodbath... but otherwise the 'best' self-healer was the Warrior with a whopping 60k through Storm's Path. Poor thing, his single Equilibrium use was a 100% overheal! :p

But yes, the biggest contributor to let them get away with so little healing overall was the great cooldown mapping; pretty much every major raid buster had Addle, Reprisal, Shake it Off, Divine Veil or healer shields running.

Also, holy hell, nearly 80% Balance uptime.

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Last I knew the WAR opener was Defiance, Unchained, Tomohawk, Equilibrium then into Deliverance and Storms path. The Equilibrium is really just used for extra threat since healing generates aggro. Between that and Shadewalker you can usually skip BB combo entirely if DPS mitigate their threat properly. BRD/MCH can complicate things.

Also the logs for damage taken are really twilight-zone. Click that tab and have a giggle.

In case you're interested in their other kills they have #1 in all current fights

O10S 8202

O11S 9195

O12S Omega M/F 8800

O12S 9200

The O12S one is pretty baffling as well only the AST only using 12 healer GCDs and SCH using 8. They actually use about the same amount of healer GCDs on Omega M and F then they do on the final fight and Omega M and F is 2 minutes shorter.

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Consider me educated. I usually don't look at fflogs enough to notice or remember those quirks. :p

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Originally Posted by MoroMurasaki

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Oh yeah, I think my tank buddy might've mentioned that. Guess I'm not tryhard enough to remember all that. ;_;

And yes, I giggled at the DPS taking more damage than the tanks. Although I ended up being mostly jealous of how the group in general took like 20-30% less damage from his elemental AoEs compared to my group from yesterday. :(

But I suppose that's PUGing in a nutshell. :p