Craftmanship & Magic Craftmanship

Craftmanship: "Your ability to synthesize items with physical characteristics"
Mag. Craftmanship: "Your ability to synthesize items with magical characteristics"

Physical and magical characteristics? what is that? stats? what if something give me physical stats and magical stats?

really, we need an OFFICIAL reponse about this.

Crafting forums?

Apparently some recipes are physical and some are magical. So, craftmanship for physical recipes, magic craftmanship for magical recipes.

Craftmanship if you make a car
M. craftmanship if you make a unicorn

We've been asking for clarification on this forever. For some things it seems to be common sense. For other things... not so much. Just gotta feel it out and see what works better.

It would make sense if mag.craftmanship was for alchemy and cooking and craftmanship for the rest, I doubt it actually works like that though.

Think of it like healing magic and attack magic, each one is specific and should be the same for crafting.

Well, when it came to the original gear, alchemist, culinarian, and weaver were on items like robes that gave large boosts to magic craftmanship, and blacksmith, goldsmith, armorer, and alchemist were on doublets that gave large boosts to craftmanship. However... I think that whether it's physical or magical is based on the recipe itself. Some disciplines may have more of one than the other, but I don't think any discipline is exclusively one or the other. I've even heard some hypothesis that recipes require certain amounts of both, and what's considered a "magical" recipe is simply a recipe that needs more magic craftmanship than it needs regular craftmanship.

Of course, this is all hearsay and conjecture. I don't know for absolute certain how the system works, and I try to just keep a more or less even amount of both.

If it changes into something else, rock into gem, fish into crystal, food into cooked food, mistletoe into potion, its magic.
If it combined or carved into something of the same property, log into lumber, ore into ingot, branch into arrow, then its craft only.

By that notion, rocks into gems would be craftmanship, as you are simply polishing it, very similarly to cutting logs into lumber. Both involve removing the rough exterior and smoothing it. Also, ore into ingot is more closely related to turning mistletoe into potions than it is to turning branches into arrows.

hmmm if they haven't change any thing it will be the following... and they "kinda" answer the question here:

Ask the Devs! (10/29/2010)

Q. What do the crafter-related attributes Craftsmanship, Magic Craftsmanhip, and Control each do?
A. Among recipes in the game, there are those for which the rate of progress and chance of success are increased by higher Craftsmanship, and those for which they are determined by Magic Craftsmanship. Control helps to reduce the occurrence of aetherial sparking (see below), and exerts its influence over both types of recipes just mentioned.

All recipes, however, have set attribute requirements. Attempting a recipe with attributes below those required will result in lessened progress and quality, even for successful actions.


but since they are going to change synth very soon, so it's little too early/late to ask or answer this thing.

Hmm... I recall doing leves and Steel Plate was magic. And then another the same for rings... Was either steel or mythril, I don't remember. And I was like, "Man! Now I have to rethink everything!"

I was certain the idea floating about that astral is craftsmanship and umbral is magic was wrong due to lightning being magic in a lot of WVR syntheses, so I thought of the conquests being magic and the submissions being craftsmanship, and if a conquest was used at all it was magic. It worked well as a general rule of thumb until I found crab oil using three lightning shards was physical. I tested influence of shard amount, but seems three lightning is magic for linen yarn.

I've been boosting one or the other for a long time now trying to figure out what's what. Or rather a way to tell easily. I sure hope it doesn't end up being each one is set manually. I'm leaving it a possibility, though. My other ideas right now are type by category, and even further into that idea to be item icons and their recolors.

I'm still trying to narrow it down, but there's always the chance the randomness could've thrown me off the right track.

Please we want an official word on this! \(><)/

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Originally Posted by Kimem

Please we want an official word on this! \(><)/

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Ha, same
But to tell you the truth, I have all crafts above 40 and 4 @50. To get there I did a huge control build and let my tool be the main contributor for craft and M.craft stats.

Body, Hat, Belt, Pants, Gloves, Shoes = control
http://ffxiv.yg.com/items?f=ap=1571;ao=3;av=1;c=3

In doing this, you still get 70+ craft and m.craft at 50
And it makes it a lot easier to HQ

I have my levels near than yours and i weared full set armors (velteen set, linen set, etc) to grind and felt armor of his main stat, and i feel i have no problems with HQ. But that's why i'm pissed off, it's a feel, not a certain... I don't know if i should use a cobalt mesail or not, use a dodore doublet, felt body or woolen smock, what kind of materia is better to the main hand slot (yes, i know about luminary weapons, but that's not my point), boarskin tool belt or linen half apron....A lot of diferent equipment choices that we just do "because we feel it's better"...

Please, we need more transparency with the craft revamp!

EDIT. Take a look at Disciples of the Land stats... Is a lot easier to know what stat you want from armor...