Help on Machinist?

After raising my Machinist to 70, I tried to play it on and off to not much success. Overheating earlier than usual, leaving skills like quick reload, rapid fire, and hot shot not being reapplied every 60 seconds. Any tips to help manage all these cooldowns as they are very overwhelming and I often lose track of what should stay applied or used as soon as the skill comes back up.

Posting a new thread here because previous post was in wrong section in my opinion.

Hey, so instead of explaining you how difficult Machinist is or linking you a guide : just play bard. The job is much simpler and better designed. You will notice how much better it is, once you play it!

Cheers

I'm a machinist main that personally really /really/ dislikes bard gameplay.

Keep trying out rotations and openers on training dummies. Overheating early can be due to high skill speed (which current tier gear is FULL of).. You ideally don't need to hit Cooldown even once between OH Wildfires.
Every buff works in 60 seconds and you will be hitting buttons in the exact same order AS SOON as they come off cooldown during the next Wildfire, as long as you do a correct opener.
Hotshot is applied in the downtime after Gauss Barrel falls off.

There's plenty better tips and guides online but this is just the basics

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There's plenty better tips and guides online but this is just the basics

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https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Bard That’s probably one of the better guides out there. It’s sad to find out how terrible mch has been treated once you hit 70. But such is life, just play bard instead tbh.

If you lose track of things being buffed and reapplied, then Bard is in no way any better. MCH is much more static in its rotation.

MCH is a really hard class to play well. Have you tried BRD? It's a much better choice overall and fills the same role in party:

- BRD is easy to play while MCH burst requires blind muscle memory to pull of properly due how Flamethrower works.
- BRD has more freedom with movement. No need to stand still or in melee range because of Flamethrower like MCH.
- BRD gets better and better with gear because their DPS is tied to Critical Hit. They were already close in personal DPS and it seems like this tier they might actually pass MCH.
- BRD can take advantage of various raid buffs with their Iron Jaws snapshots pretty much whenever they want, MCH gets absolutely ruined by their static burst schedule when raid buffs don't align or fight mechanics prevent it from happening.
- BRD has stronger raid dps support which can be further enhanced by feeding them MP for even more Foe Requiem uptime.
- BRD has stronger raid defensive support through Nature's Minne and Wanderer's Paean.
- BRD is better against multiple targets due to multidotting, while MCH has very limited options for AoE damage.
- BRD gets hurt less by latency while MCH becomes impossible to play at high ping due to reliance on double weaving and Rapid Fire weaving.
- BRD gets unique quivers with all bows, while MCH glamour is stuck with the Gauss Barrel attachment and lunchbox.

So yeah, unless you really really wanna play MCH, I would recommend trying BRD instead. You might actually find it fun!

So, I’m honestly wondering why we’re wanting to shift this guy over to BRD when he wants to learn MCH. Mind throwing him a bone instead of just saying “just play BRD”?

Heavily reminds me of the whole “You play BLM? Play SMN instead.”

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So, I’m honestly wondering why we’re wanting to shift this guy over to BRD when he wants to learn MCH. Mind throwing him a bone instead of just saying “just play BRD”?

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Because fixing MCH doesn't seem to be on SE's radar. Check their post history and it'll make more sense.

Basically, at this point there's little reason to be a MCH, BRD is better in almost every aspect.

Now I personally like MCH a lot, I've been trying to level BRD but it's just not my style. I don't like it at all. So MCH will remain my main side-job for the time being.

For the OP, this guide is from beginning of expac but is still valid afaik: https://www.mooglemedia.com/mch-guide/

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...yMiEuU6oc/edit

Here's the guide that I got my start on Machinist with. I personally like the 3 ammo opener.

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Originally Posted by HyperiusUltima

So, I’m honestly wondering why we’re wanting to shift this guy over to BRD when he wants to learn MCH. Mind throwing him a bone instead of just saying “just play BRD”?

Heavily reminds me of the whole “You play BLM? Play SMN instead.”

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Partly for the reasons Whiskey said and partly because they've still crying over a community rep responding to a newb question about Battle Voice.

I didn't see that before. Wow lol

But valid point

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Partly for the reasons Whiskey said and partly because they've still crying over a community rep responding to a newb question about Battle Voice.

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Crying over the community rep's reply to a bard newb question? I'm sorry 15 months of a busted class with no actual sign or acknowledgement of the job's problem from the creative team and pointing that out and pointing out the inequality of that when so many other jobs have had their concerns addressed isn't crying.. it's trying to raise awareness. Were Dark Knights crying when they blew up the forums about their jobs problems? Were black mages when they asked for their buffs? Were bards when they asked for a battle voice tool tip to be edited? it's kinda disappointing to see this kind of disrespect by saying the machinist community who is struggling to have their voices heard and whom are being willfully ignored by the creative time is crying over that fact. They have every reason to be frustrated and tilted about it.

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They have every reason to be frustrated and tilted about it.

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Are they within reason to be frustrated? Yes. Are they allowed to be frustrated? Yes. But to respond to a thread asking for advice on how to be a better MCH in the way some of them have? Sorry, I don’t really find that justified behavior.

Give the player asking for advice the advice they’re seeking. Don’t tell them to “just play BRD lul”. That isn’t helping anyone. People on this forum harp and harp about how those in-game never seem to take advice that’s given to them, and now we actually have someone asking for advice and they’re denied what they’re seeking because... what? MCHs are mad? How does that behavior solve anything?

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Crying over the community rep's reply to a bard newb question? I'm sorry 15 months of a busted class with no actual sign or acknowledgement of the job's problem from the creative team and pointing that out and pointing out the inequality of that when so many other jobs have had their concerns addressed isn't crying.. it's trying to raise awareness. Were Dark Knights crying when they blew up the forums about their jobs problems? Were black mages when they asked for their buffs? Were bards when they asked for a battle voice tool tip to be edited? it's kinda disappointing to see this kind of disrespect by saying the machinist community who is struggling to have their voices heard and whom are being willfully ignored by the creative time is crying over that fact. They have every reason to be frustrated and tilted about it.

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It is when you hijack every thread even those entirely unrelated to Machinist. This is, what, the third thread where a bunch of Machinists have come in and whined. We have a player looking for advice and instead of being directed on how to play Machinist, they're being told "lol it sucks. Play something else." For one, Machinist may be in a bad spot, but it's far from Samurai or Black Mage 4.1. They weren't even in the running for a meta spot. Dark Knights and Black Mages didn't jump into threads not related to their issues and bitch. In fact, Dark Knights kept to a single thread they bumped repeatedly. And what do you know, they got some attention. Same with Black Mages. The only time they complained is, ironically, when people kept telling them to play Summoner. Funny how that goes.

Machinists have every right to be frustrated. No one is denying that. But we have someone actually wanting advice on Machinist and they're getting caught up in a drama war they likely have no idea about. All this does is tell the community reps to ignore you. They don't necessarily respond to every thread saying, "we're passing this along." They may, however, still read these forums. Evidently, if they're around, posting. They aren't going to if it becomes spam. All you do is hurt yourself.

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

It is when you hijack every thread even those entirely unrelated to Machinist. This is, what, the third thread where a bunch of Machinists have come in and whined. We have a player looking for advice and instead of being directed on how to play Machinist, they're being told "lol it sucks. Play something else." For one, Machinist may be in a bad spot, but it's far from Samurai or Black Mage 4.1. They weren't even in the running for a meta spot. Dark Knights and Black Mages didn't jump into threads not related to their issues and bitch. In fact, Dark Knights kept to a single thread they bumped repeatedly. And what do you know, they got some attention. Same with Black Mages. The only time they complained is, ironically, when people kept telling them to play Summoner. Funny how that goes.

Machinists have every right to be frustrated. No one is denying that. But we have someone actually wanting advice on Machinist and they're getting caught up in a drama war they likely have no idea about. All this does is tell the community reps to ignore you. They don't necessarily respond to every thread saying, "we're passing this along." They may, however, still read these forums. Evidently, if they're around, posting. They aren't going to if it becomes spam. All you do is hurt yourself.

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While I will not insult you by belittling your argument. I fully agree that the machinist community should not be hijacking every thread. However I also understand their desire to. Anything to get any kind of attention. You are also correct in saying that we should be helping the OP in the advice he seeks. No one with any common sense could argue against your points. My sole point is that your choice of wording was a bit harsh for the situation. I get the frustration. That's why I put up my forum thread trying to get the machinist community to talk there so we could raise the points. Now before I get too long winded with this. I'm actually going to take some sane advice and recommend something for the OP that might help them along their journey..

In saying that To the OP, If you are looking for help with learning or asking questions, I would strongly recommend if you are a video learning kind of person looking up a machinist opener tutorial video. Fox has a good one that helped me figure it out quite a bit. It can be very tight and very demanding, you can always go into the balance discord server if you have discord as well as the machinists in there are pretty good with answering questions in a timely manner and explaining things in a clear and concise way. I believe there's a link to the server off the moogle post link someone else recommended. Good luck with machinist. I hope it works out well for you.