Any Chance of Seeing "Super Hard Mode" Content Pre-2.0?

Greetings!

Recently Yoshi-P stated that a "Super Hard Mode" for content was in the works. That being said, is there any chance of seeing this mode in pre-2.0 content? For as much as I like mopping the floor with fresh content right out if the gate that's suited for a party of Care Bears, it would be nice for a change to have the content mop the floor with my party's corpses because it's actually.. well... hard.

(Yes, Please)

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Originally Posted by MizoreShirayuki

Greetings!

Recently Yoshi-P stated that a "Super Hard Mode" for content was in the works. That being said, is there any chance of seeing this mode in pre-2.0 content? For as much as I like moping the floor with fresh content right out if the gate that's suited for a party of Care Bears, it would be nice for a change to have the content mop the floor with my party's corpses because it's actually.. well... hard.

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Yea totally. I'd like to see the game get a lot harder. In all areas.

If I'm not mistaken he did say recently that there was content on the way that was "much harder" than current content.

Can't find a link though.

Extra hard mode Ifrit. drops Ifrit Armor instead of weapons.

I like different contents more then different modes

Really at this point all I want is to have challenging content that centers around my party vs the content, as opposed to my party vs server lag, animation lock, etc.

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Originally Posted by Sol_Aureus

Really at this point all I want is to have challenging content that centers around my party vs the content, as opposed to my party vs server lag, animation lock, etc.

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This and no walking around killing 6 NMs around trees that one shot you. With better rewards...

Super hard mode? What will they do, release a new battlefield with even more lag?

So content that's deeper than the kiddie pool?

Super Hard Mode -- Are there not already areas with level 99 mobs? One could try clearing those!
Super Super Hard Mode -- NMs hit you for 9999 damage the moment you zone in. (You wanted a challenge yes? ^^;)

If they do a super hard mode, I hope it is not made 'hard' by introducing more lag or being more picky on requiring you to stand in even smaller 'safe spots', or decreasing drop rate from 1% to 0.001%.

It can be challenging to introduce a super hard mode without making it silly. Am curious what people think/want when they hear 'super hard mode'.

Make difficult content is easy :
-Just make it all hit one shot players.
-Make it so that you don't have time to revive the fallen.
-Make it so that mob has very high HP so that it take very long time to beat.
-Make it so that any little lag can kill player instantly.
-Make it so that you have to do a lot of time sink in order to spawn the mob.
-Make it so that the drop rate very suck badly.

Make "fun" content is the hard part. and this is what they need more.
So far, was there any content in this game that make you feel like "This is really enjoyable! This is fucking good!!" at all ?

For me, the 'challenging/fun' content is when I had to solo a tough mob and I knew I had to optimize my use of all my skills. Land all of my spells. Invest in the right gear (but not over the top/expensive gear). And come up with the right strategy on how to defeat that mob.

At no point was I faced with lag, or one-shotting, or have to do 10 hours of boring content to try it out. In some ways, it was like how the Maat fight was a bit of a fun challenge.

Btw, how would everyone feel that if you went into a super hard mode instance, the mobs you face are based on the jobs you go in as?

You want to go in as GLD/CNJ/ARC/ARC/ARC/ARC/ARC/ARC. You will be faced with the same, and they are all eager to show you their nice shiny new super powerful bows.

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Originally Posted by Alise

Make difficult content is easy :
-Just make it all hit one shot players.
-Make it so that you don't have time to revive the fallen.
-Make it so that mob has very high HP so that it take very long time to beat.
-Make it so that any little lag can kill player instantly.
-Make it so that you have to do a lot of time sink in order to spawn the mob.
-Make it so that the drop rate very suck badly.

Make "fun" content is the hard part. and this is what they need more.
So far, was there any content in this game that make you feel like "This is really enjoyable! This is fucking good!!" at all ?

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This. The game needs to be fun, not hard. When you add harder content you restrict it to a certain group of classes...they should just do stuff in an entertaining way, like we had Assault, Salvage, BCNMs and even dynamis, where certain classes were good but stacking them or not didn't matter at all.

This game lacks fun, which is terrible to it...and harder content won't add fun to it...it will actually cause the opposite.

I'd like to see "Hard mode" content only if this implies an alliance team. 8 players is nice for random stuff, but endgame should sometimes propose something balanced for 2x8 or so.

Maybe content wouldnt be so easy if everyone didnt stack archers for everything lol.

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Originally Posted by Asiaine

Super Hard Mode -- Are there not already areas with level 99 mobs? One could try clearing those!
Super Super Hard Mode -- NMs hit you for 9999 damage the moment you zone in. (You wanted a challenge yes? ^^;)

If they do a super hard mode, I hope it is not made 'hard' by introducing more lag or being more picky on requiring you to stand in even smaller 'safe spots', or decreasing drop rate from 1% to 0.001%.

It can be challenging to introduce a super hard mode without making it silly. Am curious what people think/want when they hear 'super hard mode'.

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... You don't know what even is an hard mode in other mmos..... not simply hit for 9999 >.>

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Originally Posted by Lienn

This. The game needs to be fun, not hard. When you add harder content you restrict it to a certain group of classes...they should just do stuff in an entertaining way, like we had Assault, Salvage, BCNMs and even dynamis, where certain classes were good but stacking them or not didn't matter at all.

This game lacks fun, which is terrible to it...and harder content won't add fun to it...it will actually cause the opposite.

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Salvage is the worse possible example, due to the cell system + bad drop rate, you had to be efficient party wise, meaning no more than 8 players. Some classes were just completely useless compared to others.

Salvage had so stereotypical party formation... MNK x2 / RDM / THF / BRD + toss one BLM/SCH~WHM~2nd RDM~nonMNK DD with very good gear in there (I used to Salvage with NIN and DRK, but that was only because the NIN had a Mythic + Relic and DRK had a relic). Entering with more people always meant less chance to get what you are after, since everything could be completed with 6 to 8 players, no point is having extra useless classes participating. No one was doing salvage with PLDs...

BCNMs, are you serious there? Where half of them were only manaburned and the exclusive property of BLMs? Same here, and if it wasn't BLM, it was always a particular party setup that would fit that very BCNM, was completely far from being open to everyone.

Dynamis yes, if not Tav. That's only because of the 64/36 players limitation, which enable you to invite any class, also full clearing Dynamis was challenging with a low amount of players (or even impossible in Dreamlands), so having more players wouldn't be an issue drop wise, it would just scale properly. More players = more drop.

Assault? Just like BCNMs for some of them, not all class were welcomed. Some could be done by anyone yeah (and that was cool).

(note: I'm talking to the pre-lol-abyssea XI)

I would just like to see some substantial content- ala Sky, Sea, dynamis

not just fighting a primal over and over again.

Nyzul stands out to me as one of the most fun and challenging things in FFXI.

Limbus was also difficult, yet fun. Anyone who remembers the Ultima Weapon fight when Citidel Buster was counting down on some poor Taru WHM knows exactly what I'm talking about.

Actually, the entire set of CoP story missions where very challenging (pre-nerf) and hold some of my best memories of the game.

SE really got it right with CoP.

Hard content can be fun, and easy content can be fun as well.

I think that most important than making something that is simply "hard" or "easy", is indeed that it is ultimately fun to do. I want the developers thinking "Hey, if we increase this guy's attack and give him this very strong AoE move he uses under certain conditions, it will make the battle more interesting and fun ", and not "Hey, we need to double his HP and ATK power so it's harder lol lol".

Hard mode in an MMO is where you solo EVERYTHING... why does it *need* a hard mode?

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Actually, the entire set of CoP story missions where very challenging (pre-nerf) and hold some of my best memories of the game.

SE really got it right with CoP.

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Then WHY didn't anyone want to go back and help those who hadn't completed it? That's why they "nerfed" it. Cuz the people who finished it "NEVER EVER" wanted to do that sh*t again.

I think that they need to keep a balance really. I notice that even thou the extreme hardcore players left Ifrit (and now Moogle) behind way long ago, Ifrit still seems to be the most popular thing to do at the moment. At least on Rabanastre it is. I see several Ifrit shouts per day and the Ifrit cave always has 2 or 3 parties there most times. Moogle however, i very very rarely see shouts for it, and mostly the Moogle area is empty. There are still a couple LS and static groups that do it, but the more extreme hardcore players have moved on from Moogle. I'd say the majority of players haven't even touched Moogle yet as they are still working away at Ifrit.

That's just an example of how divided the player base is. We cannot just design all the content for one group of players. I'd rather that they work on a variety of balanced content than just throw this "super hard mode" content at us.

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

Nyzul stands out to me as one of the most fun and challenging things in FFXI.

Limbus was also difficult, yet fun. Anyone who remembers the Ultima Weapon fight when Citidel Buster was counting down on some poor Taru WHM knows exactly what I'm talking about.

Actually, the entire set of CoP story missions where very challenging (pre-nerf) and hold some of my best memories of the game.

SE really got it right with CoP.

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this stuff was hard to you?

I think Nyzul Assault and Limbus were challenging. I wouldn't call them "super hard mode" but they were challenging and fun. Sometimes something can be too hard and outweight the fun factor... at least for some players. I'm hoping SE can give us a healthy dose of balanced content to keep all types of players active and satisfied. If we just load super super hard content I think a lot of people will be put-off by the difficulty of it all and be bored doing leves and caravan escort over and over. At the same time I see some players burn thru Ifrit and Moogle in no time.

But like I pointed out above, on Rabanaste, Ifrit seems to be outlasting anything the game has to offer right now. I see Ifrit being a more active event than Moogle at the moment. We have people still doing Darkhold and Ifrit for the first time, and dreaming of the day they get to tackle Moogle, and on the other end of the spectrum we have people with every single drop from all 3, having completed speed runs in all 3 and are pretty much bored crafting in town all day. XD

once you add a ounce of challenge people will say its too hard.

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Originally Posted by Zantetsuken

Nyzul stands out to me as one of the most fun and challenging things in FFXI.

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Quoted for nostalgic truth! How I miss that damn tower island.

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Originally Posted by NotoriousZow

I think that they need to keep a balance really. I notice that even thou the extreme hardcore players left Ifrit (and now Moogle) behind way long ago, Ifrit still seems to be the most popular thing to do at the moment. At least on Rabanastre it is. I see several Ifrit shouts per day and the Ifrit cave always has 2 or 3 parties there most times. Moogle however, i very very rarely see shouts for it, and mostly the Moogle area is empty. There are still a couple LS and static groups that do it, but the more extreme hardcore players have moved on from Moogle. I'd say the majority of players haven't even touched Moogle yet as they are still working away at Ifrit.

That's just an example of how divided the player base is. We cannot just design all the content for one group of players. I'd rather that they work on a variety of balanced content than just throw this "super hard mode" content at us.

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Same in Wutai. Even as a low populated server we get several shouts per day in Ul'dah or in LS chat. Yes, there are people who do runs 24/7 but not everyone. And I still have fun doing Ifrit runs or Moogle when when we do get the "standard" setup.