Next Expansion and Flying.

First, I'm not a fan of the errant aether currents thrown out in the middle of nowhere. I know they're sort of there to get people to explore the areas, but I would much rather do away with those and tie all of them into quests. I would much rather have obtaining them be interesting via stories, than just *click compass, run in direction.* Even if the quests/stories tied to them are mundane as hell, I could at least enjoy getting them instead of popping the compass every 10 seconds to play Marco Polo.

Second, ENOUGH with making every single mount able to fly. Bears, T-Rexes, friggin Gobbues. Yes, I know people say that "If it doesn't fly, no one will want it!" but compensate terrestrial mounts. Make them faster on land, than the flying mounts are while flying. This evens out, as a flying mount can go over terrain obstacles, while the terrestrial mounts can zoom around it. I, for one, would love to feel like I'm hauling ass on a chocobo, or a ground-based Fenrir.

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Originally Posted by ZeroPointSigma

Second, ENOUGH with making every single mount able to fly. Bears, T-Rexes, friggin Gobbues. Yes, I know people say that "If it doesn't fly, no one will want it!" but compensate terrestrial mounts. Make them faster on land, than the flying mounts are while flying. This evens out, as a flying mount can go over terrain obstacles, while the terrestrial mounts can zoom around it. I, for one, would love to feel like I'm hauling ass on a chocobo, or a ground-based Fenrir.

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0....e Man, I'll never understand why people make suggestions that would gimp things for others. I mean, sure they could make ground mounts faster while removing their ability to fly, or, and hear me out for a second here, they could make every mount faster AND give them the ability to fly. I mean, if you don't want a flying bear, you just have to not double tap spacebar while on a bear. Problem solved. No need to take things away from people that like them.

I enjoy hunting for the aether currents on the map personally. I hope they're back next expansion.

I agree with you on the second point but I think it's unlikely to happen.
Edit: I also wouldn't mind making all the ground mounts fly if SE put more effort into the animations.

I don't mind converting ground mounts to flying mounts but god, SE could at least be creative with it..
Noclip goobue, behemoth, and the elephant are dumb. If the Gil turtle came out now, it would have a simple run animation when flying...
Let a bunch of sylphs fly out and carry the goobues, let behemoth summon and ride a giant meteor, let the elephant act like dumbo or something. Anything is better than just letting it noclip into the sky. >.>

That I can agree with, some more elaborate flying animations would be nice.

I dislike how the last flying quest is locked on the last msq mission of the zone. At least make more stuff to do in those zones aside from msq and side quests. Beast tribe quests are good for that since its repeatable a day for rewards.

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Originally Posted by HelSpites

0....e Man, I'll never understand why people make suggestions that would gimp things for others. I mean, sure they could make ground mounts faster while removing their ability to fly, or, and hear me out for a second here, they could make every mount faster AND give them the ability to fly. I mean, if you don't want a flying bear, you just have to not double tap spacebar while on a bear. Problem solved. No need to take things away from people that like them.

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It has nothing to do with "gimping things for others," but rather bringing things in line with sanity. I fail to see how making a mount, such as a bear, terrestrial-only and giving it 2-3x more movement speed than a Yol, when the Yol can go directly from Point 1 to Point 2, ignoring terrain, while the bear goes from Point 1 to Point 2 in an indirect path, but with a much faster movespeed. Seeing the T Rex flying was laughable enough, but then to have them make a Gobbue, which is pretty much a plant elemental with no possible connection to the air, able to fly is a joke.

Okay, let's talk about sanity for a bit. Player characters, mostly tanks and dragoons, but occasionally the other classes as well, go around wearing full sets of plate armor all the time. Not only do they run around in plate armor, they fight in it too. All the time. They never get tired. That hardly seems sane. They also routinely fight monsters much bigger than them. A dragon should be able to flatten just about any player character. They should all go down in one hit, but they don't. That's not sane. Speaking of which, the speed at which player characters recover is nonsense. If a normal person got attacked they way player characters do in pretty much any dungeon, they'd probably be hospitalized. They'd be recovering for a good while, and that's assuming they survived at all, but instead some dude in a dress can sprinkle some fairy dust on your character and suddenly they're fine. That's not sane.

Hell, let's bring this a bit more in line with what you're talking about, mounts. Mounts just materialize out of thin air the second they're called, regardless of where you left them. They can keep running forever, and they're never affected by anything. They don't get hurt, they don't age, they're never hungry and they don't die. That's hardly sane, is it? If you want to advocate for "sanity", why not go all the way and ask for something like black desert's mount system. You won't see any silly flying dinosaurs there.

I'll admit I'm being a little hyperbolic here, but my point is that what's "sane" to you is tedious to another person. You want mounts to be more realistic? You can do that on your own. Just choose not to fly when you're using a mount that you've arbitrarily decided shouldn't, but don't go around asking for things to be made worse just because it doesn't fit your idea of how things should and shouldn't work in game. Mounts should be given more functionality, not less.

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Originally Posted by HelSpites

Okay, let's talk about sanity for a bit. Player characters, mostly tanks and dragoons, but occasionally the other classes as well, go around wearing full sets of plate armor all the time. Not only do they run around in plate armor, they fight in it too. All the time. They never get tired. That hardly seems sane. They also routinely fight monsters much bigger than them. A dragon should be able to flatten just about any player character. They should all go down in one hit, but they don't. That's not sane. Speaking of which, the speed at which player characters recover is nonsense. If a normal person got attacked they way player characters do in pretty much any dungeon, they'd probably be hospitalized. They'd be recovering for a good while, and that's assuming they survived at all, but instead some dude in a dress can sprinkle some fairy dust on your character and suddenly they're fine. That's not sane.

Hell, let's bring this a bit more in line with what you're talking about, mounts. Mounts just materialize out of thin air the second they're called, regardless of where you left them. They can keep running forever, and they're never affected by anything. They don't get hurt, they don't age, they're never hungry and they don't die. That's hardly sane, is it? If you want to advocate for "sanity", why not go all the way and ask for something like black desert's mount system. You won't see any silly flying dinosaurs there.

I'll admit I'm being a little hyperbolic here, but my point is that what's "sane" to you is tedious to another person. You want mounts to be more realistic? You can do that on your own. Just choose not to fly when you're using a mount that you've arbitrarily decided shouldn't, but don't go around asking for things to be made worse just because it doesn't fit your idea of how things should and shouldn't work in game. Mounts should be given more functionality, not less.

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Well, someone's butthurt. Let's bring it into line: "Fantasy sanity" being what your hyperbole talks about and "lore sanity" being opposing elements. The words "Opposing Elements" make my argument for me, without resorting to grandstanding.

Someone doesn't understand the entire reason why they're making so many land mounts fly is because people straight up weren't using them otherwise.

Fantasy sanity? Lore sanity? Okay. Let's do that then. That gobbue ate a bunch of wind crystals so it can fly now. The bear ate an ixal carrying a bunch of wind crystals so it can fly now. The T-rex hung around eureka for too long which messed with it's aether, so it can fly now. It can fly now. You can justify literally anything if you think about it for half a second. Hell, that t-rex thing is actually the cannon explanation for why it can fly. It says as much in the mount log. That being said, feel free to make a big list of all the mounts you think shouldn't be able to fly and I'll be more than happy to give you an in lore reason for why it can (although, being honest, most of my explanations will probably just be "wind crystals did it")

Don't try to bring up lore as an excuse for taking away functionality. The lore in this game is flimsy enough that it's not an argument that'll ever work.

I can see that there are people that are so hung up on the idiocy of "OMGITFLIES" that convincing them of otherwise is akin to arguing with a liberal when it comes to political matters: Screeching and strawman arguments. I should have known it would happen in this day and age, but it was worth "attempting" to discuss.

You seem upset. Did you have an actual argument to make, or are you just going to be dismissive? Why not make an actual convincing argument for why some mounts should fly and some shouldn't? I haven't seen you try that yet. All you said was that it would make them more "sane" which doesn't really mean a whole lot when applied to a game with lore as goofy as this. If you feel like I strawmanned your argument, then show me the parts of my argument that you feel exaggerated yours and explain why it's not representative of your position. Mind you, this would require actually having a position beyond "I have decided on a whim that certain mounts should have their functionality replaced"

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Originally Posted by ZeroPointSigma

I can see that there are people that are so hung up on the idiocy of "OMGITFLIES" that convincing them of otherwise is akin to arguing with a liberal when it comes to political matters: Screeching and strawman arguments. I should have known it would happen in this day and age, but it was worth "attempting" to discuss.

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you went from zero to sixty in 2.3 seconds there

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Originally Posted by ZeroPointSigma

I can see that there are people that are so hung up on the idiocy of "OMGITFLIES" that convincing them of otherwise is akin to arguing with a liberal when it comes to political matters: Screeching and strawman arguments. I should have known it would happen in this day and age, but it was worth "attempting" to discuss.

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Throwing out similar logical fallacies when people don't immediately agree with you doesn't exactly paint your own argument in the best light. You came here to debate, accept that not all people aren't going to agree and defend your position. You really aren't endearing others to your viewpoint when your tone is dripping with condescension.

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Originally Posted by Enla

Throwing out similar logical fallacies when people don't immediately agree with you doesn't exactly paint your own argument in the best light. You came here to debate, accept that not all people aren't going to agree and defend your position. You really aren't endearing others to your viewpoint when your tone is dripping with condescension.

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Discuss? Yes. Debate? No. The instant the hyperbole came flying out like Queen's Supersonic Man, I stopped hoping for any kind of discussion on it and realized at that point, that anything further in this thread was just going to be more of the same from either side. So... I decided to have some fun and see if I could antagonize any more "REEing" out of it, before this thread inevitably fades into obscurity and I wasn't disappointed.

Oh, so this is the part where you pretend not to care despite clearly having been bothered by the fact that we didn't all come in, pat you on the head and say "Yes, you're absolutely right! You made a good suggestion!". Okay. We used to call this the puppetmaster defense. Not going to lie, I was hopping you'd put up a bit more of a fight than that.

Man, you came here with an idea that, it's safe to say I think, was going to be at odds with most of the community. If you didn't expect to have to advocate for your position, I don't know what to tell you.

I find all of this would be fixed by not having flying in the next expansion. Flying removes us from the beautiful and well crafted world. Instead of seeing it in detail, we simply fly over the scenery, fly over the danger, etc. I much prefer a game with only ground based movement.

I would disagree with that. Flying is both a convenience and it allows players to get a different perspective on the environment that they'd never get walking on the ground alone. It also allows for more varied and interesting environments if they're made with flying in mind. I mean, something like azyz lla or the sea of clouds wouldn't really work if you were grounded the whole time through. That being said the only thing stopping you from looking at the world in detail is yourself. You don't have to fly. You don't have to ignore the world. You choose to because you want to. You can always walk around everywhere if that's what you want to do.

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Originally Posted by ZeroPointSigma

First, I'm not a fan of the errant aether currents thrown out in the middle of nowhere. I know they're sort of there to get people to explore the areas, but I would much rather do away with those and tie all of them into quests. I would much rather have obtaining them be interesting via stories, than just *click compass, run in direction.* Even if the quests/stories tied to them are mundane as hell, I could at least enjoy getting them instead of popping the compass every 10 seconds to play Marco Polo.

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All the aether currents are either close to some quest objective or near the path to a quest objective. If you do all the quests in a zone, you will get close to each and every aether current. No need for any real exploration - just do quests and use the aether compass occasionally - and keep your eyes open.

I like them and it's nice if 6ou are late to the expansion becuase someone with dual mount can help you.

Also your going everywhere any ways

Considering WoW makes you do a long chain of hoops to jump through, reputation grinds, achievements and just all around isn't fun in any way, shape or form.... I would rather keep the current system.

Personally, I'd just like some areas that are no fly zones. Like caves. Maybe some stronghold areas (enemy beastmen areas, Imperial bases). I remember WoW (from when I played it) had areas like that where you got your ass shot down if you tried to fly through them.

i took the time to get my beast tribe mounts
id like them to fly
or id like my Cavalry Elbst to swim!
( i know the description says he cant swim but jeez)