Empire PC's

Ok im not sure if this has ever been said before but i thought i'd mention it now. Looking at the map of Eorzea the empire takes a huge amount of land in the Northeast. What if they opened that up to players and made it its own faction? Of course they would all be the same races and such. I think it would make for an interesting dynamic for a FF title. It would add both content and the chance for PVP. Tell me what you think. How would you do it.

PS: if this is planned in 2.0 awsome but if not its a fun thing to talk about.

it might be added into an expansion pack like they did certain area's in ffxi like khazam and alteppa. if you look at the original world size for 11 compared to current it was miniscule

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/02...ns-for-eorzea/

Kind of a cool read, it's pretty relevent to your OP.

Well considering they want to conquer Eorzea and we're at war with them, I don't see us exploring that on friendly terms ever. Also from what we've seen the Garlean Empire is solely made up of Hyur.

That's a personal opinion, but i never thought you could get both good PvP and good PvE. It just becomes an endless quest for balancing if you try to achieve both and, especially for FFXiV, it's not something i want them to work on (trying to balance boh). Maybe they'll come with the same principle they had in FFXi with the regions control.

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Originally Posted by trep

That's a personal opinion, but i never thought you could get both good PvP and good PvE. It just becomes an endless quest for balancing if you try to achieve both and, especially for FFXiV, it's not something i want them to work on (trying to balance boh). Maybe they'll come with the same principle they had in FFXi with the regions control.

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This is a pretty good idea. i liked this in XI.

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Originally Posted by Arcell

Well considering they want to conquer Eorzea and we're at war with them, I don't see us exploring that on friendly terms ever. Also from what we've seen the Garlean Empire is solely made up of Hyur.

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They can always fix it by blaming one of the person as super evil one who fools everyone in Garlean. After we kill him/her in mission, we are all friends and live happily and after!

Honestly PVP is perfectly possible without going down the old faction vs faction path. Just do different Colosseum event battles ( 1 v 1, 4 v 4, etc.) and maybe mix in some objectives or throw a monster into the mix as a third party to fight against. The npcs seem to do this all the time in Ul'dah already, and Yoshi has said battles like that are in the works.

Doing something with the Grand Companies as far as resource control would be nice.

There is really nothing in the game thus far that says "the adventurer" is from Eorzea. For all we know, we are actually from the empire (or some other far off nation) and come to Eorzea to save them from themselves. Or perhaps beckoned by the true gods to assist this tiny little continent.

That being said, it would be plausible to have Garlemald available to us, though not necessarily part of their "faction."

I agree with the OP, at least in the sense I don't like any of the current allegiances (Ul'dah being the "lesser of evils") while Garlemaid is at least a technocracy (ergo, they actually revere evolution and technology), making it an acceptable allegiance in my book.

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Originally Posted by Arcell

Also from what we've seen the Garlean Empire is solely made up of Hyur.

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They aren't. [Spoilers - click at your own risk.]

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Originally Posted by Endemerrin

They aren't. [Spoilers - click at your own risk.]

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Ah I stand corrected, though no troops we've seen in the present have been anything but Hyur. They should really use those other models once in a while, like in all those invasions or any other time we've ever seen them lol.

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Originally Posted by Arcell

Well considering they want to conquer Eorzea and we're at war with them, I don't see us exploring that on friendly terms ever. Also from what we've seen the Garlean Empire is solely made up of Hyur.

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There are definitely Lalafell on the Garlean side. You have to fight some of them during one of the Limsa Lominsa Grand Company quests.

I'd be more excited if they open up Ishgard, Ala Mihgo, or Sharlayan. Especially Sharlayan, since as far as I'm aware, theres only a handful of npcs in the game who mention it.
Also Ala Mihgo could easily be the "Empire City" you visit, as it is tied pretty heavily into the story, and seems like any future story content missions could have you go there to liberate it.

I don't like the idea of two sides it cut down the community i dislike it in WoW and many other MMO. Top of that Yoshi-p said they never allow open dual so it's pointless. PVP would be somewhat like ffxi and that fine it's in there own area away from other who don't like the idea of pvp. I myself would try pvp one in a while but i never really took pvp serious in MMO.

no faction pvp crap please, faction pvp always end up as failure

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

I don't like the idea of two sides it cut down the community i dislike it in WoW and many other MMO. Top of that Yoshi-p said they never allow open dual so it's pointless. PVP would be somewhat like ffxi and that fine it's in there own area away from other who don't like the idea of pvp. I myself would try pvp one in a while but i never really took pvp serious in MMO.

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I know i am the one that put this out there originally but personally i cant stand most pvp. I hated it in WOW and stayed away from it. I just thought this would be an interesting dynamic to discuss.

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Originally Posted by trep

That's a personal opinion, but i never thought you could get both good PvP and good PvE. It just becomes an endless quest for balancing if you try to achieve both and, especially for FFXiV, it's not something i want them to work on (trying to balance boh). Maybe they'll come with the same principle they had in FFXi with the regions control.

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Good PvP and PvE can be done, just a matter of how. The best way I've seen PvP and PvE balanced is separately. They have two teams and they have the class/abilities function differently depending of the PvP or PvE setting.

For example, in PvE they have THM with high mana costs and damage, but in PvP they made the casting times a little shorter but do less damage. Makes it so a PvE ability adjustment not affect the PvP version and vice verse. That is just one rough example, but I've seen other MMOs and non-MMOs balance the two separately for good results. A good example is Star Craft II. Certain units are not available for multi-player and the damage and defense of units are adjusted as well.

I hope and can't wait for a well implemented PvP system in FF14, because an additional to pass my time in a game is never a bad thing.

As for the world, I believe Yoshi said he as going away from the open world setup for FF14. I foresee lots of zones and areas to explore with this.

The Grand companies are not peaceful with each other. They are just working together because they the Empire is a bigger threat. It is said a few times, that the companies fear an attack from another company the moment that the Empire is handled.

There is no such thing as good PvP.

PvP goes like this:

Player A is higher level and stronger than Player B; Player A wins.

Player B calls a friend, Player C, who is higher level and stronger than Player A; Player C wins.

Player A calls a friend, Player D, who is higher level and stronger than Player C; Player D wins.

Rinse, lather, repeat.

YAWN

Frankly, I'd rather see the devs focus on something more worthwhile and entertaining than adding in such a ridiculous thing. But I also know, for some odd reason, some people actually like this kind of gameplay so I hope eventually some sort of PvP ends up in game for them. I have a feeling you can look to XI for the kind of PvP you can expect here though. It may not be what you think.

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Originally Posted by Wynn

There is no such thing as good PvP.

PvP goes like this:

Player A is higher level and stronger than Player B; Player A wins.

Player B calls a friend, Player C, who is higher level and stronger than Player A; Player C wins.

Player A calls a friend, Player D, who is higher level and stronger than Player C; Player D wins.

Rinse, lather, repeat.

YAWN

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Well at level cap, lowest latency wins.

I would bet on The Garlean Empire being the main aspect of the first expansion.

Saying there is no such thing as good PvP is like saying the following games suck.

Chess
Checkers
Monopoly
Candy Land
Sorry
and every other board game on Earth.

League of Legends has a huge player base and it is 95% PvP.

People like competitive games and playing against another adaptive player. The whole higher level person always wins and then the loser calls a friend only applies to open world PvP, which Yoshi has already said is not going to happen. I do love the mindset that a game will be terrible if you are playing against another player, over the computer.

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Originally Posted by Arcell

Ah I stand corrected, though no troops we've seen in the present have been anything but Hyur. They should really use those other models once in a while, like in all those invasions or any other time we've ever seen them lol.

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Nael van Darnus is actually believed to be Elezen. Some have said that his emotes (from when he was spotted at Horizon last year, I'd imagine) are those of an Elezen, and he is listed as Elezen in the game files, which I've checked myself. :cool:

I said I didn't believe PvP AND PvE could coexist and be balanced. Of course there are good balanced PvP games, this isn't the point. But balancing abilities, cooldowns etc. to both be balanced for PvP and PvE is just an endless quest imo.

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Originally Posted by trep

I said I didn't believe PvP AND PvE couldn't coexist and be balanced. Of course there are good balanced PvP games, this isn't the point. But balancing abilities, cooldowns etc. to both be balanced for PvP and PvE is just an endless quest imo.

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I agree with that.