glamour dresser for houses?

Am I the only one that finds it silly and tedious that I have to leave my house and go to some city in order to access the glamour system?
Then having to go to an inn is an extra inconvenience as well. It defeats the purpose of housing (it's the only core feature I can't access from there), as well as being nonsensical ("let's leave my house and go to a hotel to get dressed").

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Originally Posted by demonette

Am I the only one that finds it silly and tedious that I have to leave my house and go to some city in order to access the glamour system?
Then having to go to an inn is an extra inconvenience as well. It defeats the purpose of housing (it's the only core feature I can't access from there), as well as being nonsensical ("let's leave my house and go to a hotel to get dressed").

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They've said several times that a glamour dresser for houses is in the works, so it'll happen. Some day. Maybe. I agree, though, and I think there needs to be one available at the Gold Saucer, too.

From the last news I saw, the future of glamour dressers in housing looks grim.

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Gamer Escape: I’m curious why we haven’t seen the glamour dresser as a furnishing item yet?

Y: In terms of having a furnishing item… there’s a scary amount of item data connected to it. Something like a glamour dresser has a few hundred items associated with it. With furnishing items, you can move it around, or someone else can move it around… it’s very dangerous and risky and very unstable to have an item like that for you to place in your own personal housing.

I’m sure with the convenience of moving around normal furnishings, or having retainers available, or having the ability to access market boards, it’s logical to think, “why can’t we have it as an item?” but the engineering behind that, having the items taken out, but suddenly not having it there, or having other people affect the location of the dresser…. we have to be very careful in working on that. That’s why we can’t just have it available as a furnishing item or something that can be readily placed.

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https://gamerescape.com/2018/06/17/e...sayoshi-soken/

Would not be opposed it, but it is probably already in the works as it is :)

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Originally Posted by Beckett

From the last news I saw, the future of glamour dressers in housing looks grim.

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This is so weird, though, because we have things like the armoire and the company chest in our houses already. What is so different about the design of the glamour dresser that it causes them this much grief to create a housing item for it?

I think it's critical to make this, because with the amount of time I spend on glamour, I want to use my house more and not hang out in the Inn all the time. This is made worse by the limit to 10 plates, so it's not like I can make enough outfits in advance for different jobs.

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Originally Posted by Brynne

This is so weird, though, because we have things like the armoire and the company chest in our houses already. What is so different about the design of the glamour dresser that it causes them this much grief to create a housing item for it?

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I think it is just a bunch of gobbledygook to pretend they can't do it and allow them to push it off. Other than maybe the toy chest I can't think of any other inn room item that hasn't been ported to houses.

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Originally Posted by Claviusnex

I think it is just a bunch of gobbledygook to pretend they can't do it and allow them to push it off. Other than maybe the toy chest I can't think of any other inn room item that hasn't been ported to houses.

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The toy box exists as a housing item too. XD But yeah, I agree.

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Originally Posted by Claviusnex

I think it is just a bunch of gobbledygook to pretend they can't do it and allow them to push it off. Other than maybe the toy chest I can't think of any other inn room item that hasn't been ported to houses.

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Hard to say. Are there more items in the game that can be equipped than items that can be freely traded between players? The FC chest is a good comparison because anything that can be traded can be placed in it. The Armoire is hardly evidence since it only stores a very small and select set of items so it's data requirements would much smaller (basically just an on/off switch for whether or not the player has stored an item on the list).

Personally I don't mind the occasional trip to the inn room to make changes to a plate or to apply a specific glamour to a new item but I can see how it would be annoying to someone who changes glamours far more often than the limited number of glamour plates allow. I suspect we'd see an increase to the number of glamour plates before we see a housing item added, though.

From SE or directly Yoshi's history of responses when asked why such and such isn't implemented yet, they tend to blame data stored on the server. It's always because of that asked item or feature comes with a load of data that the server can't handle. Until it's finally implemented as a big "surprise" years after. Please look forward to it. Excuses... Not Like it's 2018 on our way to 2019.

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Originally Posted by Bebekurenai

From SE or directly Yoshi's history of responses when asked why such and such isn't implemented yet, they tend to blame data stored on the server. It's always because of that asked item or feature comes with a load of data that the server can't handle. Until it's finally implemented as a big "surprise" years after. Please look forward to it. Excuses... Not Like it's 2018 on our way to 2019.

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Game development isn't as easy of a lot of us want to assume. WoW developers past and present have been pretty open about the technological hurdles they've had to face in implement new design and new features. There are things they could only implement 5 years later once technology gave them the ability and they could improve the game engine to make use of that technology (even though other newer games were doing it sooner because they had more modern game engines to work with in the first place). There are things they still want to add haven't because they haven't been able to get it to work with the game engine as it currently is. John Staat is getting ready to publish a book on the subject, focused around the original development of WoW but also talking about how those same challenges still exist in modern game development.

Don't assume everything is an excuse because a dev team is too lazy to be bothered. Technology is not omnipotent. Company resources are not unlimited. Choices have to be made about where to allocate development time based what's realistic for the technology they are using.

Unless you're personally developing a game on the scale of a MMORPG and making those things happen yourself, stop assuming it's not happening in the game you're playing due to negligence. By all means, make suggestions for things that would improve the game experience but stop blaming the dev team for being lazy when you don't get them when you want them (if at all).

If you genuinely think they're being lazy and making excuses, then go play another game where the dev team is providing you the things you demand of this one.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Personally I don't mind the occasional trip to the inn room to make changes to a plate or to apply a specific glamour to a new item but I can see how it would be annoying to someone who changes glamours far more often than the limited number of glamour plates allow. I suspect we'd see an increase to the number of glamour plates before we see a housing item added, though.

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An increase in plates would definitely be welcome. As someone who loves glamour and considers my house to be my "hub", I have a lot of requests for the glamour dresser. I'm glad they have such a system now, and I would like to see it built upon and improved. More glamour plates, the ability to apply plates anywhere in the world, more space in the chest, and of course a dresser for my home. Other people have different priorities for what they want SE to work on, but for me, this is near the top.

I would really like to have this in housing.

I don't get it. the glamour dresser's data is presumably stored somewhere else, right? the item itself is just a thing you click on to allow you to access that data. when you move the dresser only the path to the final location changes, not the data stored in it itself.

Or at least, that's how it should be.

As a stop-gap measure, they could just add the inn room to FC houses.

- Go to workshop.
- Go to your private room.
- Go to a different private room.
- Go to guest room (inn room duplicate.)

We still need an inn room at the gold saucer. Even if Fashion Report isn't time consuming anymore it's still 60k+ and I don't want to have to keep porting in and out for it. Besides, all the best casinos have a hotel portion too! Godbert is missing out on some serious gil here.

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Originally Posted by InkstainedGwyn

We still need an inn room at the gold saucer. Even if Fashion Report isn't time consuming anymore it's still 60k+ and I don't want to have to keep porting in and out for it. Besides, all the best casinos have a hotel portion too! Godbert is missing out on some serious gil here.

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What he really needs to do is add in a concert stage and book The Primals (though I guess the Event Square stage could be used).

Sure, WoW did it first but I'd much rather listen to The Primals than the Elite Tauren Chieftains.

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Originally Posted by Jandor

As a stop-gap measure, they could just add the inn room to FC houses.

- Go to workshop.
- Go to your private room.
- Go to a different private room.
- Go to guest room (inn room duplicate.)

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Originally Posted by InkstainedGwyn

We still need an inn room at the gold saucer. Even if Fashion Report isn't time consuming anymore it's still 60k+ and I don't want to have to keep porting in and out for it. Besides, all the best casinos have a hotel portion too! Godbert is missing out on some serious gil here.

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Please add my vote to both of these ideas, it would make things sooooooooo much more convenient in both cases!

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Originally Posted by Jandor

As a stop-gap measure, they could just add the inn room to FC houses.

- Go to workshop.
- Go to your private room.
- Go to a different private room.
- Go to guest room (inn room duplicate.)

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They could add the Glamour Dresser to the workshop for the same effect.

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Originally Posted by Beckett

They could add the Glamour Dresser to the workshop for the same effect.

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That was my first thought with her as a stop-gap comment, though I really like the idea of having a guest room tied to the FC houses now that I've seen it put out there. I always thought it was awful that if an FC didn't put some sort of beds/ rooms into their house, then someone new to the game didn't have anywhere besides an inn room to sleep. Adding an inn room to FC houses could be a great solution to that.

If people didn't want to have an armoire or find a place for the crystal bell then they could just use the one in the inn room attached to the house. I know of FCs that save slots by not putting in a summoning bell and an FC chest since those are in the workshop. The added inn room could even be like the workshop in that an FC would have to pay x amount of gil to have it added to the house.

The main problem I can see would be that the workshop and FC rooms (so everything from the door at the back of the house currently) let more than 1 person be in them at a time, while an inn room would only allow 1 person in them. So instead of going to a static room like everything else does from that door, you would have to also allow it to generate new identical inn rooms for only 1 person like what happens at the inn.

A better solution might be to create an innkeeper NPC that we can place in our houses (maybe restrict it to FC only, though if it could be for personal use too, I would totally set up an inn/ tavern as a person house). Though it seems like having an NPC that we can move around could cause similar issues to what Yoshida was complaining about with why we can't have a glamour dresser housing item (yet).

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Originally Posted by InkstainedGwyn

I agree, though, and I think there needs to be one available at the Gold Saucer, too.

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2nd this. Maybe even give fashion report its own space linked like the lords of verminion and chocobo racing . maybe a catwalk with a back stage that has dresser , armoir a summoning bell.

sounds like the dresser is a rod for their own back, I'm failing to see why it needs to be a "thing" in an inn room requiring you to interact with (and muck about with prisms), when it can just be a menu option. I don't know why, but they always seem to pick the most convaluted methods of getting things done. Give each job a few "plates", create those plates from items you have in your various inventories, and pick which plate to apply.

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Originally Posted by Beckett

https://gamerescape.com/2018/06/17/e...sayoshi-soken/

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Y: In terms of having a furnishing item… there’s a scary amount of item data connected to it. Something like a glamour dresser has a few hundred items associated with it. With furnishing items, you can move it around, or someone else can move it around… it’s very dangerous and risky and very unstable to have an item like that for you to place in your own personal housing.

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From the perspective of a programmer this answer makes no sense. The sensible way to implement it is to store the item data in some abstract data structure associated with the character and have the glamour dresser simply open the UI. There's already glamour dressers in each of the five inns and they all provide access to the same data so surely it has to already be implemented more or less in that way.

Besides the already mentioned company chest we can also have summoning bells at our houses. I'd wager retainers have even more data associated with them than the glamour dresser.

It's certainly not impossible to screw it up, but at least for myself that would require intentionally writing bad code. I would hope Square's developers are at least competent enough to avoid that sort of thing.

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Originally Posted by tdb

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I've often heard the excuse that they're running off of 1.0's bones, which apparently was put together with spit and twigs.

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Originally Posted by Beckett

I've often heard the excuse that they're running off of 1.0's bones, which apparently was put together with spit and twigs.

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You hear it a lot but I don't think it's entirely accurate to be honest, 2.0 is based on an entirely different engine to 1.0. I'm sure I remember reading that basically the only 1.0 code reused was some database stuff so that old characters could be imported into ARR. (although tbf database stuff is probably relevant to dresser.)

I think a lot of the issues mostly stem from just how quickly they slapped 2.0 together. Basically quick and nasty workarounds were employed everywhere to get it out the door, and the whole hastily assembled construct is constantly creaking under the weight of its own surprising success.

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Originally Posted by InkstainedGwyn

They've said several times that a glamour dresser for houses is in the works, so it'll happen. Some day. Maybe. I agree, though, and I think there needs to be one available at the Gold Saucer, too.

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I never understood why the Gold Saucer did not have hotel rooms.

Still waiting for this to happen

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Originally Posted by ern815

Still waiting for this to happen

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At this rate it will probably 5.0. At least we can craft in inns now, but being unable to teleport from there is so tedious.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

At this rate it will probably 5.0. At least we can craft in inns now, but being unable to teleport from there is so tedious.

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Yes, that we can't teleport from there is the reason why I always use the glamour dresser in the grand company. But there is no retainer bell...

Please let us use teleport in inn rooms, or put a retainer bell inside the grand company squadron room :O

I was so close to making another thread saying the same shit, but bless the search function.

Maybe this has been said, but even that as a level 70 4 star carpenter recipe would be a likely option.

is there any update on this? they said anything about letting us put it in the house yet?

They should just add access to the dresser UI from the Housing section of the main menu. Perhaps make it so we can only access it from inside houses and apartment.

*waves magic wand* and presto. No need for furniture, contrived/fabricated placement issues, or any other excuses. The end.

I really don't buy their glamour related excuses, when we have almost 800 fish in the game, and a menu area for that. Surely just as many, if not more, people would appreciated a glamour flavored "Fish Guide" than the Fish Guide, with the 800 fish, that I'm sure only a small fraction of the playerbase even bother with.

With the implementation of cross-server travel a patch away, there's a good chance we won't see personal space glam dressers until Shadowbringers. I'm mildly ok with that since they installed one in the GC barracks. You can even buy aether tickets that take you right to the GC with Company seals (or you can sprint for 2 seconds from the Ul'dah aether if you're a Flame like me). However they cannot make this happen fast enough, IMO. To give us a break they could put a freaking retainer bell in the barracks (or even the GC). And make it so glam plates work on Retainers like they do on squad members. (Unless they did that already).

Also, I really miss the Gold Saucer inn. In FF7 it was horror themed. We need this--even if they do multiple themes or just standard GS.

Is it possible that the issue with "moving it around the house" is badly translated and not about the item data within it, but the design of the item itself? It's a complex shape with lots of drawers and compartments that might be more data-heavy than your average housing item? (Edit: They may have even done something odd like build it as "multiple items" that, in a controlled inn room, sit together permanently - but to give it to the player, it might be something like the empty dresser is one furniture piece and the moving drawers are another.)

Either that or it has been rigged up with some second-hand programming that was designed to support FC chests or something communal, in which case limiting it to single-person instances is a complicated way of preventing other people from accessing your version of the dresser.