So why do we have to craft an expensive item for a CHANCE at a drop in Eureka Pagos?

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09-08-2018, 04:36 PM
Bacent

So why do we have to craft an expensive item for a CHANCE at a drop in Eureka Pagos?

For those that don't know what I'm talking about, there's a NM in Eureka Pagos that looks like the level 50 hunt, Melt. It's name is Hakutaku.

You only get silver when fighting him, unless you use a special crafted item. Then you can get gold. But you have to rely on RNG to get the SPECIAL UNTRADABLE HELMET FROM IT.

The item is the Optical Hat.
373 Defence/Magic Defence
All classes Lv. 70
Eureka Effect:
Str/Dex/Int/Mind/Vit all +125
Haste -3 (This reduces cooldowns by .06, so if you have all 3 special items, you get -0.18 from your globals while in Eureka only)

Cassie Earring? From the NM Cassie, a giant morbol. Only one gets it per attempt, if they're level 34+. It's the only one of the items that's tradable.

Speed Belt? From King artho, a Crab Fate. It has terrible RNG too, apparently tradable?

But back to the Optical Hat. Before you can hope to get a chance on getting this item, first you have to do the special level 23 and 31 Rabbit Elemental Conflicts. If you complete it, you get a rabbit that follows you around, and you get to play a game of hot/cold basically to find out where hidden loot is.

There's three chest types, where once again bronze is worst, gold is best. You have to hope for the terrible RNG to give you gold. Then you have to hope to get one of the FIVE eyes from this. That's right, five.

Did I mention that there can only be a certain number of rabbits up at once? Too many people means some people who might have been there longer might not get the rabbit to spawn, anyways...

You need one of every one of these five eyes to craft the item to get gold rank against Hakutaku. Apparently a 100% chance of getting it if crafted item used. Which is consumed upon use.
The prices of the five eyes on Cerberus?

Four of them are worth 20m-50m each. With one of them worth next to nothing. Right now to buy one of each of the five would cost about 149m on my server. This is all to craft an item for a chance at another item.

Why is it two of them just have terrible RNG for the item to drop, but this one has to be the special snowflake, and demand a seven layer RNG sandwich?

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09-08-2018, 04:51 PM
RubyScarlett

That's tame compared to what they pulled in Diadem. Each instance could RNG spawn a giant instance fate that pretty much needed everyone in it to be coordinated to be able to complete it. At the end of the fate that failed most times, 1 person in the instance would receive a weapon that was 5 levels higher than the best raid weapon at the time. That weapon would be for a random class and would have random stats on it. 1 person in the whole instance of hundreds. And odds that it would be for their main class, with decent stats on it were like the 7th layer of RNG.

Either way, I really hope that SE gets it through their heads that instance designed around grinding against RNG are not fun.
09-08-2018, 05:03 PM
Bacent

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Originally Posted by RubyScarlett

That's tame compared to what they pulled in Diadem. Each instance could RNG spawn a giant instance fate that pretty much needed everyone in it to be coordinated to be able to complete it. At the end of the fate that failed most times, 1 person in the instance would receive a weapon that was 5 levels higher than the best raid weapon at the time. That weapon would be for a random class and would have random stats on it. 1 person in the whole instance of hundreds. And odds that it would be for their main class, with decent stats on it were like the 7th layer of RNG.

Either way, I really hope that SE gets it through their heads that instance designed around grinding against RNG are not fun.

They have that same thing for Cassie. Only one person at the NM can actually get the earring at a time as far as I'm aware. But you have to be level 34/35 to have a chance to get it, otherwise you can't get anything but EXP. Except this time it's up to a maximum of 144 players in this chance, so they've learned nothing from the diadumb.
09-08-2018, 05:04 PM
QuinceTaru

The optical hat is 100% if you have the Hakutaku cluster, there is a special message and everything when you get gold in the fate and then the hat replaces the cluster in your inventory. Also the lvl 31 bunny fate has a very higher upper limit on the number of bunnies that pop, we've done it with 35 and all got bunnies. However, the lower lvl one has a much lower upper cap to bunnies. I'm not arguing that pagos has a lot of RNG(cassie is alot of BS) and its not always a good thing, but just correcting the false information.
09-08-2018, 05:06 PM
Darrcyphfeid

1) A fundamental misunderstanding about what people like(d) about FFXI.
2) A stubborn refusal to acknowledge that FFXI only worked because gear had a tendency to last years, not weeks/days.
3) An outright stupid insistence on trying to play the nostalgia card.
09-08-2018, 05:09 PM
Magic-Mal

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bacent

The item is the Optical Hat.
373 Defence/Magic Defence
All classes Lv. 70
Eureka Effect:
Str/Dex/Int/Mind/Vit all +125
Haste -3 (This reduces cooldowns by .06, so if you have all 3 special items, you get -0.18 from your globals while in Eureka only)

So basically, instead of listening to the players asking for deeper gear customization with unique stat effects in endgame gear like raid gear and other PvE gear, they put it in Eureka, the most hated content to date...

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09-08-2018, 05:09 PM
QuinceTaru

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Originally Posted by Darrcyphfeid

1) A fundamental misunderstanding about what people like(d) about FFXI.
2) A stubborn refusal to acknowledge that FFXI only worked because gear had a tendency to last years, not weeks/days.
3) An outright stupid insistence on trying to play the nostalgia card.

I do think they are playing too much into the whole FFXI thing also, however if the eureka gear will last us to the next expansion it will be the longest lasting gear in ff14 :)
09-08-2018, 05:22 PM
Ramesses

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Originally Posted by Darrcyphfeid

1) A fundamental misunderstanding about what people like(d) about FFXI.

This exactly.

FFXI had...amoung several other elements... a fundamental understanding for one's time and efforts thus the time sink had a purpose.
09-08-2018, 05:34 PM
Darrcyphfeid

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Originally Posted by QuinceTaru

I do think they are playing too much into the whole FFXI thing also, however if the eureka gear will last us to the next expansion it will be the longest lasting gear in ff14 :)

You're not wrong. Is the nostalgia gear actually BiS inside Eureka, though? I never really bothered paying much attention when leveling my alt through to EL20, and Darrc here is only EL7 and I can't say I much care to go check if stats matter. If they do, no substat and -12 or so mainstat would be ridiculously hard to overcome.

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Originally Posted by Magic-Mal

So basically, instead of listening to the players asking for deeper gear customization with unique stat effects in endgame gear like raid gear and other PvE gear, they put it in Eureka, the most hated content to date...

Honestly, the ship on that finished sailing when they removed accuracy as a controlled stat.

But yes, they did. Just like Diadem experimented with trying to bring back Aetherial/random augment gear.
09-09-2018, 12:59 AM
Fawkes

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Originally Posted by Bacent

Haste -3 (This reduces cooldowns by .06, so if you have all 3 special items, you get -0.18 from your globals while in Eureka only)

Haste being negative should make you slower, not faster. "Slow +3" should be the same as "Haste -3". The word haste is a synonym for speed, so why would negative haste and positive skill/spell speed both make you faster? Hopefully the gear is just so absurdly rare that nobody who can do the math has gotten it and it actually does make you slower. Otherwise I'm going to have to be angry about this forever.
09-09-2018, 01:30 AM
Bernkastelx

People who have items already confirmed that it reduces cooldowns. So its a typo which just says a lot about this content.
09-09-2018, 02:32 AM
BristolRuss

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Originally Posted by Bacent

You only get silver when fighting him, unless you use a special crafted item. Then you can get gold. But you have to rely on RNG to get the SPECIAL UNTRADABLE HELMET FROM IT(1)

Cassie Earring? From the NM Cassie, a giant morbol. Only one gets it per attempt, if they're level 34+. It's the only one of the items that's tradable.(2)

Speed Belt? From King artho, a Behemoth(3). It has terrible RNG too, untradable(4).

You need one of every one of these five eyes to craft the item to get gold rank against Hakutaku. And that's to only get CHANCE to get the optical hat(5).

Four of them are worth 20m-50m each. With one of them worth next to nothing. Right now to buy one of each of the five would cost about 149m on my server. This is all to craft an item for a chance at another item.

There is so much misinformation in this post I wonder if you have ever even been into Pagos.

1) False. If you have the Hakutaku eye cluster the hat is a guaranteed drop.

2) Both the Speed Belt and Cassie earrings are tradeable. I'm also pretty sure that more than one person can get the earrings at once, it's just the drop rate is very low.

3) King Arthro is a crab.

4) Again, the Speed Belt is tradeable.

5) Again, if you have the cluster then it is guaranteed to drop.

Those prices for the eyes are ridiculous. If those are truly the prices on Cerberus I would consider moving. Other servers are much cheaper. And, at the end of the day, none of these items are required to get anything in Eureka. They are bonuses. You aren't missing out on anything by not having them.
09-09-2018, 02:57 AM
Rockette

The hat drop is 100% if you have the hakutaku cluster. The rest of your post is also incorrect but I see the person above me has pointed the rest out. Perhaps be a little more sure of your "facts" before spouting nonsense intended to upset people.

Also, it seems only the lower level bunny fate has the chance of not getting a bunny. Ive never heard of someone not getting a bunny from the higher level fate, nor have I ever not had a bunny myself from hours of farming.
09-09-2018, 03:10 AM
Rowde

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Originally Posted by Rockette

The hat drop is 100% if you have the hakutaku cluster. The rest of your post is also incorrect but I see the person above me has pointed the rest out. Perhaps be a little more sure of your "facts" before spouting nonsense intended to upset people.

Also, it seems only the lower level bunny fate has the chance of not getting a bunny. Ive never heard of someone not getting a bunny from the higher level fate, nor have I ever not had a bunny myself from hours of farming.

I have completed the top FATE and not received a bunny, was in a party... got gold no rabbit.
There were at least 2 full parties doing Bunnies, and some other scattered folks, not sure exact number. Between 20-25 ppl
09-09-2018, 03:22 AM
Rockette

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Originally Posted by Rowde

I have completed the top FATE and not received a bunny, was in a party... got gold no rabbit.
There were at least 2 full parties doing Bunnies, and some other scattered folks, not sure exact number. Between 20-25 ppl

Interesting. Were there any others in your farm that didn't receive a bunny either? I've had two or 3 groups on the same fate and not had anyone miss out.

I might be wrong but wasn't the first pagos hot fix addressing this in the bunny fates? I'll have to look up the notes.

It still stands that you have more chance of getting a bunny on that top fate than not. The lower one, eh, it's a gamble.
09-09-2018, 03:45 AM
Claviusnex

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Originally Posted by Bacent

.... so they've learned nothing from the diadumb.

SE learned something. They learned that is they called it Diadem 3.0 the player base would come after them with pitchforks. Instead they decided to give it a new name with the belief players wouldn't notice.
09-09-2018, 04:02 AM
Bacent

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Originally Posted by BristolRuss

There is so much misinformation in this post I wonder if you have ever even been into Pagos.

1) False. If you have the Hakutaku eye cluster the hat is a guaranteed drop.

2) Both the Speed Belt and Cassie earrings are tradeable. I'm also pretty sure that more than one person can get the earrings at once, it's just the drop rate is very low.

3) King Arthro is a crab.

4) Again, the Speed Belt is tradeable.

5) Again, if you have the cluster then it is guaranteed to drop.

Those prices for the eyes are ridiculous. If those are truly the prices on Cerberus I would consider moving. Other servers are much cheaper. And, at the end of the day, none of these items are required to get anything in Eureka. They are bonuses. You aren't missing out on anything by not having them.

Sorry I was going off of second hand information? I'm 35 in pagos, and a lot of the info was based on my bad memory (As in the fate boss artho), as well as what I heard multiple people say while in there. And yeah, the prices are that bad on Cerberus. Only one of the eyes is worth nothing, the other four are tens of millions each.

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09-09-2018, 05:16 AM
Dragoon4life

We’re not asking for items or content to be handed to us but omg the triple los RNG is bad. What’s worse is I don’t see any easy until maybe October. I really just hate Pagos.
09-09-2018, 06:07 AM
alimdia

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Originally Posted by Rockette

Interesting. Were there any others in your farm that didn't receive a bunny either? I've had two or 3 groups on the same fate and not had anyone miss out.

I might be wrong but wasn't the first pagos hot fix addressing this in the bunny fates? I'll have to look up the notes.

It still stands that you have more chance of getting a bunny on that top fate than not. The lower one, eh, it's a gamble.

Farmed plenty here and I can also confirm the limit of upper bunnies is also as low as lower bunnies, its either 2 full parties or a bit over 2 before people start missing bunnies.